mlai

Well, I am not even going to talk about "legacy" hardware...... I have a HP
printer C6180 which came out last month.......
"Gene Fitzpatrick" <gene_fitz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:F99B4267-9631-46DF-8F3C-59C5C8DBB69C@microsoft.com...
> Oh John, Not to sound pessimistic, but mark my words. Many legacy items
> will not have drivers made for Vista. I know that sounds bad, and it
> sounds rude, but look at it from a business point of view. As you said
> earlier, it is just the opportunity that these companies need to push new
> gear.
> It is an idea that personally, I have mixed feelings about. I am not a
> gamer, and until I started using Vista, I was more than happy with my
> on-board video card. After using vista, I was more or less forced to get a
> new card, a 7600GS, and I must say, I never understood the importance, but
> I can tell you that I see the difference in performance.
> No doubt, there will be some who curse the new expensive upgrades, but I
> feel most will be pleasently surprised as I was, and impressed. It will
> also educate folks, like myself on the importance of the idea, "Better
> gear makes a better computer."
>
> But hey, what do I know?
>
> "John C." <JohnC@noemail.noemail> wrote in message
> news:adgcm2ppt21udk9oamq7e5j9gvlnj3nb4e@4ax.com...
>> It almost seems like it would be in hardware makers' best interest NOT
>> to release Vista drivers for legacy hardware. This will force users
>> to buy shiny new "Vista Compatible" hardware. Of course they risk
>> alienating loyal users at the same time.
>>
>> Betas of Vista have been available for a year or more, you would think
>> the hardware makers would have their drivers ready to go at RTM time.
>> They probably wait until RTM to start development. Even nVidia seems
>> to be in a sorry state, their Vista video drivers are terrible
>> performance wise and they don't even have a driver for their flagship
>> 8800 product.
>>
>> Total lack of x64 drivers killed XP x64. Hopefully we'll see this
>> change since just about all new PCs are x64 capable.
>>
>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:31:53 -0800, "JW" <nospam@no.spam> wrote:
>>
>>>Well we will just have to see which manufacturres really care about their
>>>business customer users that are using their hardware on November 30th.
>>>"Gene" <gene_fitz(nospam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:3FE1281E-625F-4A8C-8A18-844FBB1A6687@microsoft.com...
>>>> I'm sorry, I don't really know what to tell you other than to keep
>>>> checking with the manufacturers.
>>>>
>>>> Sadly, with each new release of an operating system, you will have some
>>>> hardware and software manufacturers that will go above and beyond.
>>>> Companies like nVidia who really push the make-ready process, and you
>>>> have
>>>> companies like HP, who will drag their feet to the very last minutes,
>>>> and
>>>> sometimes too long.
>>>> Sadly, it is the perrogative of the manufacturer. Microsoft, I am sure
>>>> is
>>>> doing all they can to try to help folks, but they are helpless when it
>>>> comes to the companies who create the drivers.
>>>>
>>>> I'm in the same boat you are, I still have some equipment begging for
>>>> drivers, and most of my favorite software is useless right now. I just
>>>> keep on checking and hoping.
>>>>
>>>> Wish I could be more help.
>>>>
>>>> "mlai" <mlai@community.nospam> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23AUmAJgDHHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> That's what we've been doing to all the vendors for the past few
>>>>> months.
>>>>> However, a lot of the vendors are holding the lame view that "Vista is
>>>>> not out yet and we will support it when it is out or SHORTLY THERE
>>>>> AFTER". Their way of saying "yeah, we will TRY to support it when it
>>>>> is
>>>>> out or 6 months after......."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gene" <gene_fitz(nospam)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:47814DC2-DD0B-4EF8-AD10-D2084334A758@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> The best way to remedy this issue is to constantly check your
>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>> providers and bug them for Vista drivers. Microsoft can throw in a
>>>>>> host
>>>>>> of generic drivers, but there simply is just not enough disk space to
>>>>>> put all hardware drivers, not to mention, it is nearly impossible to
>>>>>> create advanced generic drivers that will work with all equipment.
>>>>>> On the brighter side though, the fuse is a burning. Time is running
>>>>>> out,
>>>>>> and the hardware manufacturers have the pressure on. 2 months till
>>>>>> release date, I have a feeling in the next 30 to 45 days, you will
>>>>>> see a
>>>>>> lot of completed drivers showing up all over the place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that doesn't help much, but it may offer a little hope. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "mlai" <mlai@community.nospam> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:O1kRmBeDHHA.4508@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Granted Vista has more hardware support than XP at launch...... The
>>>>>>> hardware being supported are mostly legacy stuff and the newer
>>>>>>> stuffs
>>>>>>> are not supported as well. I figure that I may start a list of
>>>>>>> problems:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Creative XFi cards:
>>>>>>> Creative claims that (which is quite true) Directsound hardware
>>>>>>> acceleration will not work with Vista, and trying to move all the
>>>>>>> people to OpenAL. Also, DTS decoding will not be supported via the
>>>>>>> soundcard software. Beta drivers are available but I seriously
>>>>>>> doubt
>>>>>>> if they will put out reliable drivers until months after release. I
>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>> only saying drivers, none of the applications that came on the
>>>>>>> installation CDs will work with Vista and they haven't done anything
>>>>>>> about that yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ATI:
>>>>>>> AVIVO still missing for Vista. But there is hope as ATI puts out
>>>>>>> monthly releases pretty routinely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Logitech:
>>>>>>> Vista support is claimed to be somewhat available in December. But
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> one has even remotely seen or talked about any alpha drivers. So
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> hopeful at all. In fact, I am getting rid of as much logitech stuff
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> I possibily can at home....... That includes: webcams, keyboards,
>>>>>>> mouse, and remotes......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft Hardware:
>>>>>>> There is hope. Their website puts out beta for desktop sets
>>>>>>> (Intellitype and Intellipoint) now. For their new Lifecams, MS
>>>>>>> claims
>>>>>>> to have beta available in January, which is a month later then
>>>>>>> previously expected according to a post on the VistaTeamBlog by
>>>>>>> nWhite.
>>>>>>> But rumour has it that a beta is available to Vista technical beta
>>>>>>> testers.........
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pantone Huey:
>>>>>>> I use it to calibrate my screen colors. Sent an email to techsup
>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>> there and they sent a response back within 24hrs. Here is the
>>>>>>> response:
>>>>>>> Response (JDINGLE) - 11/20/2006 09:26 AM We have tested PANTONE Huey
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the latest build of Windows Vista, and have found the product to be
>>>>>>> fully functional with the exception of the Huey preferences, which
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> not seem to be accessible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are continuing to test PANTONE Huey, and we are confident that we
>>>>>>> will have support for this operating system either at the time of
>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>> release, or shortly thereafter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So there is hope.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HP AIO Printers:
>>>>>>> Drivers (only basic drivers) are incorporated for products out
>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>> 2nd qtrs 2006. But the new products (like the new Photosmart
>>>>>>> C6180/5180..... etc), no drivers..... And given their prior track
>>>>>>> records (like promising drivers and software for XP x64 by Dec 05
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> delivering in Aug 06). Not having too much faith there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Asus:
>>>>>>> I build my own machines and pretty much all uses Asus motherboards.
>>>>>>> However, none of their custom software (BIOS update, system
>>>>>>> overclocking and monitoring "AiSuite" or "AiBooster" comes to mine)
>>>>>>> have even beta out for vista. The only thing that has beta out is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Wifi-AP software and even that is just putting XP drivers in Vista
>>>>>>> directories, hardly a beta.......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Intel:
>>>>>>> Probably the best in Vista support. Chipset Utils and IMSM is
>>>>>>> available for Vista as I type.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what does these all mean to me? I have Vista RTM installed on my
>>>>>>> Raptor but half of my hardware does not even have beta drivers. So
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> guess next year will be the REAL BETA period for system builders
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> me........
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The above only contains hardware vendors that pertains to my setups.
>>>>>>> YMMV depending on what kind of hardware and how new your platforms
>>>>>>> are...... BTW, Vista runs very nicely in VMWare 5.5.3.......
>>>>>>>
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