Mr. Freeze wrote:
> Yes, I know only one firewall and one antivirus at a time, I was only
> stating that I have those programs. I still haven't found the first
> addware/spyware/malware, nothing using vista and am now using Windows
> Live One Care, I guess that's a good thing. Also I know IE7 has a
> protected mode, I'm just surprised that I'm not getting any kinda report
> that that spyware etc..... has been blocked or qaurantened. You'd think
> I would be able to find that information somewhere on this computer with
> Vista/LiveOneCare if it was doing the job. It just leaves you with a
> vulnerable feeling not being able to find out what's been blocked or if
> it's working when you go to some sites you know will give you addware
> and don't even get any kinda report or warning saying that's it's been
> blocked etc.....
>
> "cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" <cquirkenews@nospam.mvps.org> wrote
> in message news
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>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:18:30 -0500, "Mr. Freeze"
>>
>>> I have a brand new computer that came with Windows Vista Home Basic.
>>> I also
>>> purchased Windows Live One Care "Which I am told from a tech. that comes
>>> with Windows Defender built in".
>>
>> Vista has Defender built in; dunno if One Care enhances it. One Care
>> brings the av to the party, tho.
>>
>>> I keep scanning and scanning and scanning and nothing comes up
>>> "Nothing at all, no Qaurantine's, no problems reported
>>
>> Could be good news. But I always wonder if it's worth using the same
>> tool that was supposed to block things on entry, to look and see if
>> these things have got into the same system.
>>
>> I suspect you have the same misgivings and want to install and use
>> additional non-resident tools for on-denmand scanning?
>>
>>> I haven't installed any of my other spyware protection programs because
>>> I wanted to give Live One Care a chance. I have
>>> Spycatcher/F-secure/Norton
>>> and many others but I am kinda concerned untill they are announced as
>>> being 100% comptible to run them because I don't want to run anything
>>> that is going to misread a program that might be important.
>>
>> You know the rules; never install more than one resident tool type at
>> a time - i.e. use only one resident av, one resident firewall, 0 or 1
>> resident antispyware, etc. So what you want to do is add tools that
>> are either on-denmad only, or can be constrained to work as on-demand
>> tools only. I would flee screaming from Norton anything (much as I
>> loved Peter Norton in the DOS days, those days are gone, and Peter
>> left the playing field ages ago anyway).
>>
>>> I think this either means Vista and Live One care are preventing the
>>> spyware
>>> and addware from being installed and just not telling me that it is
>>> blocking
>>> it or my computer is infested with the stuff.
>>
>>> Could it be that a lot of the addware stuff just isn't Vista
>>> compatible yet?
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> I use AdAware, Spybot scanners and Spyware Blaster as "vaccinator" in
>> Vista32. I could use A Squared and AVG Antispyware (ex-Ewido) as
>> well; these two may be resident in the sense that they update
>> themselves, but require the paid versions to be active as resident
>> scanners (which you don't want right now).
>>
>> Of these, AVG may be the best. A Squared's good, too, though a bit
>> less stable perhaps, and more prone to false-positives. Both tend to
>> find things that the first two missed.
>>
>> On pure on-demand av, I'd suggest Trend SysClean (download afresh when
>> you need to use it, both engine and sigs) and Bit Defender, if they
>> still offer their free on-demand-only scanner. Like AVG AS, that will
>> update itself from a SysTray icon, but not scan on access.
>>
>> If you're OK with CLI scanners, then you can build a tier of on-demand
>> CLI scanners that are properly serialized and parameterized via a
>> batch file. You'd then integrate that into the UI in various ways
>> (rt-click action for directories and drives, SendTo target for
>> arbitrary files, overnight Task to scan subtree of incoming material,
>> etc.) to more easily wield as an on-demand "Fist of Death [TM]"
>>
>> Suitable Win32 (as opposed to DOS) CLI av can be found, and may
>> include those from McAfee, Sophos, F-Prot, Kaspersky, etc. The update
>> process for these will be severely manual ;-)
>>
>>
>>
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>> Saws are too hard to use.
>> Be easier to use!
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>
> From - Sat
from what I have tried so far under Vista, all my old anti-spyware
programs are compatible. Just AVG anti-spyware needs to be run under XP
compatibility mode, otherwise it wouldn't start. As resident you might
also wanna try Spyware Terminator that works perfectly well in Vista.
You might then want to disable UAC, cause Spyware Terminator integrates
a HIPS that might conflict with it, although I haven't noticed it. Now
that MS thing: Windows Defender. If your system is well protected (with
Spyware Blaster or Spybot S&D for instance) there's no reason why
Defender would detect anything. It deliberately ignores cookies anyway,
and MS makes no secret about that. I just would have wished that
Defender had not lost many of the nice feaures formerly integrated into
MS anti-spy beta. I've also noticed that when I modify the host file
with Spybot S&D (adding a list of bad sites), Defender detects
absolutely nothing (lol), when other third party security products do.
BTW, OneCare brings Defender to XP, if defender is not already
installed, and obviously doesn't have to in Vista: it doesn't either
enhance it. If you're looking for a good resident program, with reports
and everything (including frequent updates), I'd definitely advise AVG
anti-spyware. It's got really many nice features. The custom scan
interface is great. The scan parameters are exhaustive.Well, that's it
for now.