Terry R.

On 6/21/2007 11:34 PM On a whim, Frank pounded out on the keyboard

> Terry R. wrote:
>> On 6/21/2007 10:56 PM On a whim, Frank pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> You start by presuming I work for you or are your errand boy and by
>>> challenging the validity of something you know absolutely nothing at
>>> all about…me and my company.
>>> And you still haven't stopped.
>>>
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>>> You start with:
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>>>
>>> "Please tell us all how that has made everyone more productive. I
>>> would really like to know.
>>>
>>> "Wow" doesn't factor into productivity, and most likely lowers it as
>>> the users spend too much time messing with settings trying to do
>>> something new. Even when they finally finish screwing around with
>>> everything, they go back to reading and writing email, working in
>>> documents and spreadsheets, doing research on the internet and
>>> possibly database work.
>>>
>>> I'm eager to await the stats that the company put together in figuring
>>> out how Vista was going to increase productivity versus ROI."
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> I answer you with:
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>>>
>>> "This was a planned move. We've been using Vista in parallel with XP
>>> since December '06. It is a move to the future as XP is being fazed out.
>>> Only thur general daily production use could we determine the
>>> effectiveness of Vista and any problems we might encounter using it.
>>> Everyone is now up to speed and production has not suffered at all as
>>> compared to XP.
>>> You have a misconception that our moving to Vista was only feasible if
>>> there was some absolute, immediate gain. That's not how we perceived
>>> the process.
>>> Our move also has to do with our volume license.
>>> It was very beneficial, in more ways than one, for us to migrate to
>>> Vista.
>>> We are very happy with the outcome!"
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> You didn’t like my real, truthful answer at all! Now you're pissed
>>> cause I didn’t run & fetch for you so you start you’re uncalled for
>>> “taunts & assumptions (lies)” that have never ended. At this point I
>>> know I'm dealing with an unstable person who has some deep personal
>>> problems and I'm your target to use for you to work them out on.
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> "Oh, I see, no real productivity gains, just spending lots of money to
>>> do the same thing, because XP is being "phased out".
>>>
>>> And just how was it "beneficial", if it wasn't in productivity?
>>>
>>> All righty then, want to buy some land in Kansas?
>>> Oh, I see. Vista just poofed itself onto all the workstations with no
>>> human intervention. Now THAT is "Wow".
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> Now I'm sure I'm dealing with a hot headed bully whose use to getting
>>> his own way at any cost!
>>> -----------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Richard stated that because you had a volume license there wasn't any
>>> cost involved. And my reply was a snide way of stating otherwise.
>>> You verified my comments.
>>> If you're happy for spending a lot of money for no productivity gains,
>>> no ROI and no beneficial gains, I'm happy for you...
>>> More taunts and threats:
>>> Requiring the stats I asked for isn't asking too much to prove a
>>> point. If he can't, then yes, I would say he would be wrong.
>>> Governments? The one's I've read about aren't planning to "move
>>> forward" any time soon. The "stats" I was asking for was how the
>>> company came to the logical decision that "moving forward" to Vista was;
>>> 1. Beneficial
>>> 2. Cost effective
>>> 3. Productivity increase
>>> 4. ANY ROI
>>>
>>> It doesn't matter what your company does. It's just that someone
>>> boasting they've moved to Vista is only that, a boast. Nothing has
>>> been gained by it. By the time XP is on it's way out, it will be a
>>> completely different story. But making a corporate jump now isn't a
>>> wise move IMO, and that opinion appears to be inline with the largest
>>> corporations around the globe.
>>>
>>> But if you're happy, that's all that matters I guess, isn't it.
>>> We usually don't look to MS when asking about upgrades, as they will
>>> give us EVERY reason TO upgrade. As time goes on and companies start
>>> making the move to upgrade, they're usually very willing to give their
>>> reasons for it (benefits to users, how it will increase productivity,
>>> etc.) There's nothing confidential about info like that. It's just
>>> sharing how and why the move made sense to them.
>>>
>>> I know almost all of the owners or officers to the companies we
>>> service, and they're always more than willing to let us share info to
>>> other companies, since none of them are competing against each other.
>>>
>>> I think most companies feel the way you do (and I do also). They just
>>> want it to work, work consistently, and not have to mess with it for 5
>>> to 7 years.
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> More lies and angry frustration from you:
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>>> Richard,
>>>
>>> Where do you find ANYWHERE that I sound upset? Please quote it! As a
>>> consultant, I am always wanting to know how these decisions come
>>> about, especially in a corporate environment.
>>>
>>> If Frank could have provided ANY reasons for the decision, it would
>>> have been something I would have used to bring to my clients. But I
>>> can see it only became a boast, and that is something that won't pull
>>> any weight with me nor my clients.
>>>
>>> And you can see how Frank responded to your "no cost" statement, which
>>> was nothing further from the truth.
>>> Again you seem to think I work for you:
>>>
>>> No, not if something goes wrong, they'll get blamed. That's a lame
>>> excuse. Other than personal gratification (and boasting), there isn't
>>> any reason to expend the costs, man hours, etc. of moving to this new
>>> OS. I can't give anyone one good reason to change. They would think
>>> I would just be trying to drum up work. We're not talking Win9x to XP
>>> here (as most of my clients skipped W2K).
>>>
>>> And most CEO's I know, rely on their "back room boys" to come to the
>>> right decisions. The ones that think they know it all are probably
>>> the ones moving to Vista right now, and wasting resources that could
>>> be used to increase company income & profits. But since you deal with
>>> governments, that's probably not an issue.
>>>
>>> We've had a construction company since 1978, a property management
>>> company since 1994 and a consulting company since 1994, so I'm quite
>>> familiar with decision making, especially in the computer area, so I'm
>>> not just an "IMO" person.
>>>
>>> I hope Vista is all you thought it would be. But there still isn't
>>> anything to boast about, because you can't do anything the XP users
>>> can't do, and most likely less, for now.
>>>
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>>> Now you’re really angry that I’m not complying with your demands for
>>> information. Next, you think you're paying me for the info, as if I
>>> work for you, and I'm not producing it for you! What a joke!
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> So, I'm still not getting any answers. I had a simple list I asked
>>> for and you ignored it. It was NOT company specific, but a logical
>>> list that any CEO, owner, or decision maker would want when making
>>> decisions on changing over to a new OS. You're trying to say that
>>> because your company is SO different, you stand apart? Sorry, the
>>> same questions could be used for any company.
>>>
>>> And you could demand all you want for your "case studies", but it
>>> sounds like you just made a sweeping decision regardless if there
>>> wasn't any valid reasons to do it. Without answering any of my
>>> questions Frank, you just wanted to boast about being on Vista. Big
>>> deal. I'm not impressed. And I'm glad my clients aren't as haphazard
>>> as you appear to be.
>>>
>>> I WILL do what I want, by continuing to research and see if any of my
>>> clients have a real need for an upgraded OS. As part of that, I tried
>>> to ask you, but apparently you don't have any reasons except to gloat.
>>> So I'm convinced there isn't any reason to upgrade an OS with the
>>> minor changes that MS implemented into Vista. If you've got some
>>> concrete reasons, with data to support it, great. Otherwise you're
>>> just a company who moved to Vista for no reason at all, except that
>>> you have something to brag about. That's "Wow" for YOU, no one else.
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Now you’re really pissed off and demanding I come up with the info for
>>> you:
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, but that's all the Wow you've provided, so it's really more "is
>>> that all YOU can do?" You've not given ONE valid point on why your
>>> company made the move to Vista. Just that you did it. No points, no
>>> Wow.
>>>
>>> Now you're going way off about me wanting your "data". Maybe you
>>> should go back and see what I asked for. Nothing personal. Just
>>> general company info regarding HOW they (the company) came to the
>>> decisions that necessitated the move to Vista, that anyone would offer
>>> IF they had it. But you're in the defend mode now, so it's pointless
>>> to continue, and it sounds like the decision was yours alone.
>>>
>>> Hate mail at that fake address? Have to hide from everything, don't
>>> you. Funny you have to move to Vista, but use an email client that's
>>> a year outdated.
>>>
>>> Trust me, I don't have any "Vista hatred". That's a typical comment
>>> coming from someone trying to defend themselves. Moving clients to an
>>> upgraded OS would mean nothing but increased revenue on our end. But
>>> I don't push them into it just so we can make more money. You see, I
>>> care about our clients and don't want them "blaming" (as you put it)
>>> us on recommending something that isn't needed. Many companies do
>>> that, and we're not one of them.
>>>
>>> Thanks for boasting about your move to Vista without giving any
>>> reasons behind the move and why it was necessary to be "XP no more".
>>> You didn't have software that wouldn't run on XP, and you never
>>> mentioned hardware. So it appears this was nothing more than a
>>> fanboy thread and I've wasted my time thinking you would be able to
>>> give me some valid points for the move as a businessman.
>>>
>>> Frank moved his company to Vista...Wow
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>> More taunts and lies:
>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> If you are a civil human being, and Frank was also, an answer to a
>>> question would be in order. But if he's not, I don't expect one.
>>>
>>> You on the other hand, have added nothing, made incorrect statements
>>> ("it cost him nothing" to move to Vista), and don't have any say so in
>>> "End of story".
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>> More anger and frustration from you:
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Possibly. It seems if the "company" really had a plan in place to
>>> "move forward", it would be documented and Frank would be willing to
>>> share it. But since Frank can't give any reasons for the move, it
>>> would appear to have been done on a whim, not a thought out plan.
>>>
>>> I have some attorney friends that always want to be on the "cutting
>>> edge". They go out and buy whatever is new so they can boast about
>>> it. They know better than to call me now that they've jumped (not
>>> moved) into Vista. At least they took my advice and backed up their
>>> drives before the change, because it sounds like a couple of them are
>>> heading back to XP, their patience running a little too thin.
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> This crap from you goes on for what seems like ad nauseam!
>>> You're not a real IT. You’re a disgrace to that Profession (if you are
>>> one) and you're certainly no business man. You come across as a
>>> conniving, MS bashing, linux loser troll. You're just like a little
>>> spoiled bully of a brat who really gets angry and frustrated and
>>> lashes out with venom when you don't get your own way.
>>> I'm proud to have accomplished what I and my hard working associates
>>> have been focused on for months...bringing Vista into full online
>>> working production in our Company.
>>> In the end, we did it!
>>> Frank
>>>
>> No, you're right. I'm not a "real IT". I'm PART of the IT, that's all.
>> But I'm not a disgrace. In fact, people acknowledge me for my honesty
>> in this profession, but that isn't relevant to our discussion.
>>
>> Please be explicit:
>>
>> 1. Show me one statement that shows I'm "pissed".
>> 2. Show me my “taunts & assumptions (lies)”
>> 3. Show me where I'm being a "hot headed bully"
>> 4. Show me my "lies and angry frustration"
>> 5. Show me where I'm "really angry that (you're) not complying with (my)
>> demands
>> 6. Show me where I'm "really pissed off and demanding"
>> 7. Show me "More taunts and lies"
>> 8. Show me "More anger and frustration"
>>
>> Since you can't answer two questions in a row (by all stats I've
>> compiled), I don't expect you to answer any of the above, regardless of
>> what you tried to state above, which only proved you don't follow
>> threads very well.
>>
>> Your examples show NONE of the above! You are trying to put me into a
>> light that only exposes you!
>>
>> Sorry Frank. I asked questions. You answered with childish responses.
>> And continue to do so. I'm not an MS basher, nor a linux loser troll.
>> I'm not a spoiled bully and I don't get angry.
>>
>> The fact is, you're proud to have accomplished an upgrade from XP to
>> Vista. I asked questions you were unable to provide and you got upset
>> about it. "In the end we did it." NO ONE ELSE CARES. Got it?
>>
> Sorry pal. Read'em and weep! It's all there for everybody to see and
> read. Deny it if you want, but that's your problem.
> You're pissed cause you didn't like my first, original answer. I didn't
> "comply" with your demands. You then got an attitude and from then on
> started taunting, demanding and then lying by stating that I was lying.
> You're ridiculous!
> It's all there for you and the whole ng to read. I should never had
> given you the satisfaction of continuing the conversation after my first
> original answer.
> Frank
>

Yes, thankfully it IS there for all to read. And I don't deny any of my
statements because they ARE there for anyone to read.

I've never been "pissed". I didn't give "attitude". I didn't "taunt",
nor "demand", nor "lie".

I have nothing to hide Frank. You are the one who made up all this BS.
I just wanted to talk to you about your move to Vista, and you
couldn't provide anything worth while. A simple, "I did it because I
wanted to" would have ended it long ago. But you had to go on the
defensive. If you don't believe me, start at the beginning of the thread.

I'm glad you made the move to Vista. I hope it's beneficial to you and
your company.

My best to you,

--
Terry R.

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