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RE: for Terry R. ...your taunts, demands and lies for all to see.
At least it is a tax deduction, lol
"Frank" wrote:
> You start by presuming I work for you or are your errand boy and by
> challenging the validity of something you know absolutely nothing at all
> about…me and my company.
> And you still haven't stopped.
>
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> You start with:
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> "Please tell us all how that has made everyone more productive. I would
> really like to know.
>
> "Wow" doesn't factor into productivity, and most likely lowers it as the
> users spend too much time messing with settings trying to do something
> new. Even when they finally finish screwing around with everything,
> they go back to reading and writing email, working in documents and
> spreadsheets, doing research on the internet and possibly database work.
>
> I'm eager to await the stats that the company put together in figuring
> out how Vista was going to increase productivity versus ROI."
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> I answer you with:
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> "This was a planned move. We've been using Vista in parallel with XP
> since December '06. It is a move to the future as XP is being fazed out.
> Only thur general daily production use could we determine the
> effectiveness of Vista and any problems we might encounter using it.
> Everyone is now up to speed and production has not suffered at all as
> compared to XP.
> You have a misconception that our moving to Vista was only feasible if
> there was some absolute, immediate gain. That's not how we perceived the
> process.
> Our move also has to do with our volume license.
> It was very beneficial, in more ways than one, for us to migrate to Vista.
> We are very happy with the outcome!"
> Frank
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> You didn’t like my real, truthful answer at all! Now you're pissed cause
> I didn’t run & fetch for you so you start you’re uncalled for “taunts &
> assumptions (lies)” that have never ended. At this point I know I'm
> dealing with an unstable person who has some deep personal problems and
> I'm your target to use for you to work them out on.
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> "Oh, I see, no real productivity gains, just spending lots of money to
> do the same thing, because XP is being "phased out".
>
> And just how was it "beneficial", if it wasn't in productivity?
>
> All righty then, want to buy some land in Kansas?
> Oh, I see. Vista just poofed itself onto all the workstations with no
> human intervention. Now THAT is "Wow".
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> Now I'm sure I'm dealing with a hot headed bully whose use to getting
> his own way at any cost!
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>
> Richard stated that because you had a volume license there wasn't any
> cost involved. And my reply was a snide way of stating otherwise. You
> verified my comments.
> If you're happy for spending a lot of money for no productivity gains,
> no ROI and no beneficial gains, I'm happy for you...
> More taunts and threats:
> Requiring the stats I asked for isn't asking too much to prove a point.
> If he can't, then yes, I would say he would be wrong.
> Governments? The one's I've read about aren't planning to "move
> forward" any time soon. The "stats" I was asking for was how the
> company came to the logical decision that "moving forward" to Vista was;
> 1. Beneficial
> 2. Cost effective
> 3. Productivity increase
> 4. ANY ROI
>
> It doesn't matter what your company does. It's just that someone
> boasting they've moved to Vista is only that, a boast. Nothing has been
> gained by it. By the time XP is on it's way out, it will be a
> completely different story. But making a corporate jump now isn't a
> wise move IMO, and that opinion appears to be inline with the largest
> corporations around the globe.
>
> But if you're happy, that's all that matters I guess, isn't it.
> We usually don't look to MS when asking about upgrades, as they will
> give us EVERY reason TO upgrade. As time goes on and companies start
> making the move to upgrade, they're usually very willing to give their
> reasons for it (benefits to users, how it will increase productivity,
> etc.) There's nothing confidential about info like that. It's just
> sharing how and why the move made sense to them.
>
> I know almost all of the owners or officers to the companies we service,
> and they're always more than willing to let us share info to other
> companies, since none of them are competing against each other.
>
> I think most companies feel the way you do (and I do also). They just
> want it to work, work consistently, and not have to mess with it for 5
> to 7 years.
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> More lies and angry frustration from you:
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> Richard,
>
> Where do you find ANYWHERE that I sound upset? Please quote it! As a
> consultant, I am always wanting to know how these decisions come about,
> especially in a corporate environment.
>
> If Frank could have provided ANY reasons for the decision, it would have
> been something I would have used to bring to my clients. But I can see
> it only became a boast, and that is something that won't pull any weight
> with me nor my clients.
>
> And you can see how Frank responded to your "no cost" statement, which
> was nothing further from the truth.
> Again you seem to think I work for you:
>
> No, not if something goes wrong, they'll get blamed. That's a lame
> excuse. Other than personal gratification (and boasting), there isn't
> any reason to expend the costs, man hours, etc. of moving to this new
> OS. I can't give anyone one good reason to change. They would think I
> would just be trying to drum up work. We're not talking Win9x to XP
> here (as most of my clients skipped W2K).
>
> And most CEO's I know, rely on their "back room boys" to come to the
> right decisions. The ones that think they know it all are probably the
> ones moving to Vista right now, and wasting resources that could be used
> to increase company income & profits. But since you deal with
> governments, that's probably not an issue.
>
> We've had a construction company since 1978, a property management
> company since 1994 and a consulting company since 1994, so I'm quite
> familiar with decision making, especially in the computer area, so I'm
> not just an "IMO" person.
>
> I hope Vista is all you thought it would be. But there still isn't
> anything to boast about, because you can't do anything the XP users
> can't do, and most likely less, for now.
>
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> Now you’re really angry that I’m not complying with your demands for
> information. Next, you think you're paying me for the info, as if I work
> for you, and I'm not producing it for you! What a joke!
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> So, I'm still not getting any answers. I had a simple list I asked for
> and you ignored it. It was NOT company specific, but a logical list
> that any CEO, owner, or decision maker would want when making decisions
> on changing over to a new OS. You're trying to say that because your
> company is SO different, you stand apart? Sorry, the same questions
> could be used for any company.
>
> And you could demand all you want for your "case studies", but it sounds
> like you just made a sweeping decision regardless if there wasn't any
> valid reasons to do it. Without answering any of my questions Frank,
> you just wanted to boast about being on Vista. Big deal. I'm not
> impressed. And I'm glad my clients aren't as haphazard as you appear to
> be.
>
> I WILL do what I want, by continuing to research and see if any of my
> clients have a real need for an upgraded OS. As part of that, I tried
> to ask you, but apparently you don't have any reasons except to gloat.
> So I'm convinced there isn't any reason to upgrade an OS with the minor
> changes that MS implemented into Vista. If you've got some concrete
> reasons, with data to support it, great. Otherwise you're just a
> company who moved to Vista for no reason at all, except that you have
> something to brag about. That's "Wow" for YOU, no one else.
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> Now you’re really pissed off and demanding I come up with the info for you:
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> Sorry, but that's all the Wow you've provided, so it's really more "is
> that all YOU can do?" You've not given ONE valid point on why your
> company made the move to Vista. Just that you did it. No points, no Wow.
>
> Now you're going way off about me wanting your "data". Maybe you should
> go back and see what I asked for. Nothing personal. Just general
> company info regarding HOW they (the company) came to the decisions that
> necessitated the move to Vista, that anyone would offer IF they had it.
> But you're in the defend mode now, so it's pointless to continue, and
> it sounds like the decision was yours alone.
>
> Hate mail at that fake address? Have to hide from everything, don't
> you. Funny you have to move to Vista, but use an email client that's a
> year outdated.
>
> Trust me, I don't have any "Vista hatred". That's a typical comment
> coming from someone trying to defend themselves. Moving clients to an
> upgraded OS would mean nothing but increased revenue on our end. But I
> don't push them into it just so we can make more money. You see, I care
> about our clients and don't want them "blaming" (as you put it) us on
> recommending something that isn't needed. Many companies do that, and
> we're not one of them.
>
> Thanks for boasting about your move to Vista without giving any reasons
> behind the move and why it was necessary to be "XP no more". You didn't
> have software that wouldn't run on XP, and you never mentioned hardware.
> So it appears this was nothing more than a fanboy thread and I've
> wasted my time thinking you would be able to give me some valid points
> for the move as a businessman.
>
> Frank moved his company to Vista...Wow
>
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> More taunts and lies:
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> If you are a civil human being, and Frank was also, an answer to a
> question would be in order. But if he's not, I don't expect one.
>
> You on the other hand, have added nothing, made incorrect statements
> ("it cost him nothing" to move to Vista), and don't have any say so in
> "End of story".
>
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> More anger and frustration from you:
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> Possibly. It seems if the "company" really had a plan in place to "move
> forward", it would be documented and Frank would be willing to share it.
> But since Frank can't give any reasons for the move, it would appear
> to have been done on a whim, not a thought out plan.
>
> I have some attorney friends that always want to be on the "cutting
> edge". They go out and buy whatever is new so they can boast about it.
> They know better than to call me now that they've jumped (not moved)
> into Vista. At least they took my advice and backed up their drives
> before the change, because it sounds like a couple of them are heading
> back to XP, their patience running a little too thin.
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>
> This crap from you goes on for what seems like ad nauseam!
> You're not a real IT. You’re a disgrace to that Profession (if you are
> one) and you're certainly no business man. You come across as a
> conniving, MS bashing, linux loser troll. You're just like a little
> spoiled bully of a brat who really gets angry and frustrated and lashes
> out with venom when you don't get your own way.
> I'm proud to have accomplished what I and my hard working associates
> have been focused on for months...bringing Vista into full online
> working production in our Company.
> In the end, we did it!
> Frank
>
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