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Terry R. wrote:
> On 6/21/2007 11:34 PM On a whim, Frank pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> Terry R. wrote:
>>> On 6/21/2007 10:56 PM On a whim, Frank pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> You start by presuming I work for you or are your errand boy and by
>>>> challenging the validity of something you know absolutely nothing at
>>>> all about…me and my company.
>>>> And you still haven't stopped.
>>>>
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>>>> You start with:
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> "Please tell us all how that has made everyone more productive. I
>>>> would really like to know.
>>>>
>>>> "Wow" doesn't factor into productivity, and most likely lowers it as
>>>> the users spend too much time messing with settings trying to do
>>>> something new. Even when they finally finish screwing around with
>>>> everything, they go back to reading and writing email, working in
>>>> documents and spreadsheets, doing research on the internet and
>>>> possibly database work.
>>>>
>>>> I'm eager to await the stats that the company put together in
>>>> figuring out how Vista was going to increase productivity versus ROI."
>>>>
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>>>> I answer you with:
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> "This was a planned move. We've been using Vista in parallel with XP
>>>> since December '06. It is a move to the future as XP is being fazed
>>>> out.
>>>> Only thur general daily production use could we determine the
>>>> effectiveness of Vista and any problems we might encounter using it.
>>>> Everyone is now up to speed and production has not suffered at all
>>>> as compared to XP.
>>>> You have a misconception that our moving to Vista was only feasible
>>>> if there was some absolute, immediate gain. That's not how we
>>>> perceived the process.
>>>> Our move also has to do with our volume license.
>>>> It was very beneficial, in more ways than one, for us to migrate to
>>>> Vista.
>>>> We are very happy with the outcome!"
>>>> Frank
>>>>
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>>>> You didn’t like my real, truthful answer at all! Now you're pissed
>>>> cause I didn’t run & fetch for you so you start you’re uncalled for
>>>> “taunts & assumptions (lies)” that have never ended. At this point I
>>>> know I'm dealing with an unstable person who has some deep personal
>>>> problems and I'm your target to use for you to work them out on.
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> "Oh, I see, no real productivity gains, just spending lots of money
>>>> to do the same thing, because XP is being "phased out".
>>>>
>>>> And just how was it "beneficial", if it wasn't in productivity?
>>>>
>>>> All righty then, want to buy some land in Kansas?
>>>> Oh, I see. Vista just poofed itself onto all the workstations with
>>>> no human intervention. Now THAT is "Wow".
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> Now I'm sure I'm dealing with a hot headed bully whose use to
>>>> getting his own way at any cost!
>>>> -----------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Richard stated that because you had a volume license there wasn't
>>>> any cost involved. And my reply was a snide way of stating
>>>> otherwise. You verified my comments.
>>>> If you're happy for spending a lot of money for no productivity
>>>> gains, no ROI and no beneficial gains, I'm happy for you...
>>>> More taunts and threats:
>>>> Requiring the stats I asked for isn't asking too much to prove a
>>>> point. If he can't, then yes, I would say he would be wrong.
>>>> Governments? The one's I've read about aren't planning to "move
>>>> forward" any time soon. The "stats" I was asking for was how the
>>>> company came to the logical decision that "moving forward" to Vista
>>>> was;
>>>> 1. Beneficial
>>>> 2. Cost effective
>>>> 3. Productivity increase
>>>> 4. ANY ROI
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't matter what your company does. It's just that someone
>>>> boasting they've moved to Vista is only that, a boast. Nothing has
>>>> been gained by it. By the time XP is on it's way out, it will be a
>>>> completely different story. But making a corporate jump now isn't a
>>>> wise move IMO, and that opinion appears to be inline with the
>>>> largest corporations around the globe.
>>>>
>>>> But if you're happy, that's all that matters I guess, isn't it.
>>>> We usually don't look to MS when asking about upgrades, as they will
>>>> give us EVERY reason TO upgrade. As time goes on and companies
>>>> start making the move to upgrade, they're usually very willing to
>>>> give their reasons for it (benefits to users, how it will increase
>>>> productivity, etc.) There's nothing confidential about info like
>>>> that. It's just sharing how and why the move made sense to them.
>>>>
>>>> I know almost all of the owners or officers to the companies we
>>>> service, and they're always more than willing to let us share info
>>>> to other companies, since none of them are competing against each
>>>> other.
>>>>
>>>> I think most companies feel the way you do (and I do also). They
>>>> just want it to work, work consistently, and not have to mess with
>>>> it for 5 to 7 years.
>>>>
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>>>> More lies and angry frustration from you:
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>>>> Richard,
>>>>
>>>> Where do you find ANYWHERE that I sound upset? Please quote it! As
>>>> a consultant, I am always wanting to know how these decisions come
>>>> about, especially in a corporate environment.
>>>>
>>>> If Frank could have provided ANY reasons for the decision, it would
>>>> have been something I would have used to bring to my clients. But I
>>>> can see it only became a boast, and that is something that won't
>>>> pull any weight with me nor my clients.
>>>>
>>>> And you can see how Frank responded to your "no cost" statement,
>>>> which was nothing further from the truth.
>>>> Again you seem to think I work for you:
>>>>
>>>> No, not if something goes wrong, they'll get blamed. That's a lame
>>>> excuse. Other than personal gratification (and boasting), there
>>>> isn't any reason to expend the costs, man hours, etc. of moving to
>>>> this new OS. I can't give anyone one good reason to change. They
>>>> would think I would just be trying to drum up work. We're not
>>>> talking Win9x to XP here (as most of my clients skipped W2K).
>>>>
>>>> And most CEO's I know, rely on their "back room boys" to come to the
>>>> right decisions. The ones that think they know it all are probably
>>>> the ones moving to Vista right now, and wasting resources that could
>>>> be used to increase company income & profits. But since you deal
>>>> with governments, that's probably not an issue.
>>>>
>>>> We've had a construction company since 1978, a property management
>>>> company since 1994 and a consulting company since 1994, so I'm quite
>>>> familiar with decision making, especially in the computer area, so
>>>> I'm not just an "IMO" person.
>>>>
>>>> I hope Vista is all you thought it would be. But there still isn't
>>>> anything to boast about, because you can't do anything the XP users
>>>> can't do, and most likely less, for now.
>>>>
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>>>> Now you’re really angry that I’m not complying with your demands for
>>>> information. Next, you think you're paying me for the info, as if I
>>>> work for you, and I'm not producing it for you! What a joke!
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> So, I'm still not getting any answers. I had a simple list I asked
>>>> for and you ignored it. It was NOT company specific, but a logical
>>>> list that any CEO, owner, or decision maker would want when making
>>>> decisions on changing over to a new OS. You're trying to say that
>>>> because your company is SO different, you stand apart? Sorry, the
>>>> same questions could be used for any company.
>>>>
>>>> And you could demand all you want for your "case studies", but it
>>>> sounds like you just made a sweeping decision regardless if there
>>>> wasn't any valid reasons to do it. Without answering any of my
>>>> questions Frank, you just wanted to boast about being on Vista. Big
>>>> deal. I'm not impressed. And I'm glad my clients aren't as
>>>> haphazard as you appear to be.
>>>>
>>>> I WILL do what I want, by continuing to research and see if any of
>>>> my clients have a real need for an upgraded OS. As part of that, I
>>>> tried to ask you, but apparently you don't have any reasons except
>>>> to gloat. So I'm convinced there isn't any reason to upgrade an OS
>>>> with the minor changes that MS implemented into Vista. If you've
>>>> got some concrete reasons, with data to support it, great.
>>>> Otherwise you're just a company who moved to Vista for no reason at
>>>> all, except that you have something to brag about. That's "Wow" for
>>>> YOU, no one else.
>>>>
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>>>> Now you’re really pissed off and demanding I come up with the info
>>>> for you:
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but that's all the Wow you've provided, so it's really more
>>>> "is that all YOU can do?" You've not given ONE valid point on why
>>>> your company made the move to Vista. Just that you did it. No
>>>> points, no Wow.
>>>>
>>>> Now you're going way off about me wanting your "data". Maybe you
>>>> should go back and see what I asked for. Nothing personal. Just
>>>> general company info regarding HOW they (the company) came to the
>>>> decisions that necessitated the move to Vista, that anyone would
>>>> offer IF they had it. But you're in the defend mode now, so it's
>>>> pointless to continue, and it sounds like the decision was yours alone.
>>>>
>>>> Hate mail at that fake address? Have to hide from everything, don't
>>>> you. Funny you have to move to Vista, but use an email client
>>>> that's a year outdated.
>>>>
>>>> Trust me, I don't have any "Vista hatred". That's a typical comment
>>>> coming from someone trying to defend themselves. Moving clients to
>>>> an upgraded OS would mean nothing but increased revenue on our end.
>>>> But I don't push them into it just so we can make more money. You
>>>> see, I care about our clients and don't want them "blaming" (as you
>>>> put it) us on recommending something that isn't needed. Many
>>>> companies do that, and we're not one of them.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for boasting about your move to Vista without giving any
>>>> reasons behind the move and why it was necessary to be "XP no
>>>> more". You didn't have software that wouldn't run on XP, and you
>>>> never mentioned hardware. So it appears this was nothing more than
>>>> a fanboy thread and I've wasted my time thinking you would be able
>>>> to give me some valid points for the move as a businessman.
>>>>
>>>> Frank moved his company to Vista...Wow
>>>>
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>>>> More taunts and lies:
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>>>>
>>>> If you are a civil human being, and Frank was also, an answer to a
>>>> question would be in order. But if he's not, I don't expect one.
>>>>
>>>> You on the other hand, have added nothing, made incorrect statements
>>>> ("it cost him nothing" to move to Vista), and don't have any say so
>>>> in "End of story".
>>>>
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>>>> More anger and frustration from you:
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>>>>
>>>> Possibly. It seems if the "company" really had a plan in place to
>>>> "move forward", it would be documented and Frank would be willing to
>>>> share it. But since Frank can't give any reasons for the move, it
>>>> would appear to have been done on a whim, not a thought out plan.
>>>>
>>>> I have some attorney friends that always want to be on the "cutting
>>>> edge". They go out and buy whatever is new so they can boast about
>>>> it. They know better than to call me now that they've jumped (not
>>>> moved) into Vista. At least they took my advice and backed up their
>>>> drives before the change, because it sounds like a couple of them
>>>> are heading back to XP, their patience running a little too thin.
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This crap from you goes on for what seems like ad nauseam!
>>>> You're not a real IT. You’re a disgrace to that Profession (if you
>>>> are one) and you're certainly no business man. You come across as a
>>>> conniving, MS bashing, linux loser troll. You're just like a little
>>>> spoiled bully of a brat who really gets angry and frustrated and
>>>> lashes out with venom when you don't get your own way.
>>>> I'm proud to have accomplished what I and my hard working associates
>>>> have been focused on for months...bringing Vista into full online
>>>> working production in our Company.
>>>> In the end, we did it!
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>> No, you're right. I'm not a "real IT". I'm PART of the IT, that's
>>> all. But I'm not a disgrace. In fact, people acknowledge me for my
>>> honesty in this profession, but that isn't relevant to our discussion.
>>>
>>> Please be explicit:
>>>
>>> 1. Show me one statement that shows I'm "pissed".
>>> 2. Show me my “taunts & assumptions (lies)”
>>> 3. Show me where I'm being a "hot headed bully"
>>> 4. Show me my "lies and angry frustration"
>>> 5. Show me where I'm "really angry that (you're) not complying with
>>> (my) demands
>>> 6. Show me where I'm "really pissed off and demanding"
>>> 7. Show me "More taunts and lies"
>>> 8. Show me "More anger and frustration"
>>>
>>> Since you can't answer two questions in a row (by all stats I've
>>> compiled), I don't expect you to answer any of the above, regardless
>>> of what you tried to state above, which only proved you don't follow
>>> threads very well.
>>>
>>> Your examples show NONE of the above! You are trying to put me into
>>> a light that only exposes you!
>>>
>>> Sorry Frank. I asked questions. You answered with childish
>>> responses. And continue to do so. I'm not an MS basher, nor a linux
>>> loser troll. I'm not a spoiled bully and I don't get angry.
>>>
>>> The fact is, you're proud to have accomplished an upgrade from XP to
>>> Vista. I asked questions you were unable to provide and you got
>>> upset about it. "In the end we did it." NO ONE ELSE CARES. Got it?
>>>
>> Sorry pal. Read'em and weep! It's all there for everybody to see and
>> read. Deny it if you want, but that's your problem.
>> You're pissed cause you didn't like my first, original answer. I
>> didn't "comply" with your demands. You then got an attitude and from
>> then on started taunting, demanding and then lying by stating that I
>> was lying.
>> You're ridiculous!
>> It's all there for you and the whole ng to read. I should never had
>> given you the satisfaction of continuing the conversation after my
>> first original answer.
>> Frank
>>
>
> Yes, thankfully it IS there for all to read. And I don't deny any of my
> statements because they ARE there for anyone to read.
>
> I've never been "pissed". I didn't give "attitude". I didn't "taunt",
> nor "demand", nor "lie".
>
> I have nothing to hide Frank. You are the one who made up all this BS.
> I just wanted to talk to you about your move to Vista, and you couldn't
> provide anything worth while. A simple, "I did it because I wanted to"
> would have ended it long ago. But you had to go on the defensive. If
> you don't believe me, start at the beginning of the thread.
>
> I'm glad you made the move to Vista. I hope it's beneficial to you and
> your company.
>
> My best to you,
>

Fact is Frank can't give one good reason why Vista is better than XP and
why he "upgraded" at his "company" if, indeed, he has a company and, if,
indeed, he has more than one computer at his mommy's house where he
lives on disability (mental). I suspect the latter is true due to the
fact that Frank has been pack pedaling about this since the beginning.

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