On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:06:40 +0100, dennis@xxxxxx wrote:
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> "Stephan Rose" <nospam.noway@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> Far more people in the linux world are willing to pay for software than
>> you can imagine. Most people have no problem spending money on software if
>> said software is worth spending the money on.
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> You claim that you believe that but then tell people that Vista is a waste
> despite the millions who have paid for it. Where do I tell people that Vista is a waste? I may consider it a waste of
*my* time but then again, I think I have the right to do so don't I? Where
though do I tell others it's a time?
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>> Now true, I can see how there linux market is smaller than the windows
>> market (disregarding user base), because many of the 3rd party utilities
>> that are required to get windows usable just aren't needed under linux.
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>> Example, Windows I need the following:
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>> - Alochol 120% to mount DVD or CD images on a virtual drive
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> Use deamon tools then.. its free. No it isn't. It requires advertising software. Quoting from their own
site "(includes Advertising software from www.WhenU.com)"
The LAST thing I want is advertising software on my computer.
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>> - DVD Region Free & CSS Free to turn my DVD player into a region-free
>> player.
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> dvd43.. free. Nowhere does it state that it handles region codes. Will it allow me to
play DVDs from the US, Japan and Europe on the same DVD drive regardless
of region coding?
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>> - A decent defragmentation utility such as Diskeeper.
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> Doesn't need anymore than the one its got.. free. Linux doesn't have one
> even though its file systems are no better than NTFS. Please, the built in defragmenter is pathetic. If you want to use it,
fine. But I personally prefer more useful tools.
And seeing how Ext3 does not suffer from fragmentation problems like NTFS
does, I already see one area where it is better. I don't need to waste
time defragmenting it with *any* tool.
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>> - Decent E-mail Software, Outlook express surely isn't it.
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> Use anything you like they are all on windows and linux. I do.
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>> - Decent C/C++ Development environment. Under windows, I'd only use MS
>> Visual Studio.
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> That's free too. MS Visual Studio FREE??? What are you smoking?
Btw, I am not referring to their Express versions...give me a break. I
need tools I can actually work with.
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>> - Decent DVD Player software that unlike Windows Media Player is actually
>> useful.
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> It plays DVDs.. whats the problem? ****ty UI compared to players like PowerDVD. PowerDVD also has better
deinterlacing algorithms.
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>> - Decent Newsgroup software. Outlook express again doesn't fit the bill.
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> It works OK for millions. So? The millions are sheep. Just because it works OK for them does not
mean I don't want something better than some top-posting piece of crap.
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> You can always download pan for windows.
True though IIRC, it's availability is reasonably recent which didn't do
me much good back when I purchased my Agent license and pan was not
available for windows.
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>> - Basic office needs, word, spreadsheets, etc.
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> Use openoffice. Since I use MS Outlook (the office version) for e-mail under windows, well
used to anyway, it's just more efficient to stick to one overall office
package rather than mixing and matching.
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>> - CD/DVD Burning software (no version of windows can burn an ISO image)
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>> Just adding up all the licensing costs there I'd easily exceed 2 grand.
>> Visual Studio alone runs 1,500 for the professional version.
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> Mine was free.. but there are free versions that will do for 99.9% of
> people.
> I doubt if you need the features of the proffesional version if you can
> manage with what you get on linux. Well then you obviously have no idea with what I get on linux because my
latest tools are extremely well done and do a very excellent job and can
do things I could only wish for under Visual Studio.
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>> That just roughly scratches the surface of all the commercial software I
>> need under windows and that I need to cough up a license for under windows
>> for every computer I own.
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> Funny that I can get free software to do everything you need to pay for.
> Do you want to buy a bridge? I have this nice swing bridge in London that i
> can sell you.
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>> Linux on the other hand, it isn't that I wouldn't be willing to pay for
>> the software. I simply just don't need to so I don't.
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>> - Out of the box support for mounting any drive or ISO image to anywhere I
>> want. Alcohol 120% not needed.
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> Nor for windows. Only if I want my machine ad-infested apparently which I don't.
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>> - Out of the box support for DVD playback and CSS support is installable
>> in less than a minute. I have no need for the DVD Region/CSS software I
>> would need under windows.
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> nor for windows Windows will not play DVDs that are region coded for regions on a
different player without additional 3rd party software. And your little
decryption tool there, which undoubtely takes care of CSS (which is the
least worry seeing how I have licensed DVD player software), does not take
care of region coding (which is my primary concern).
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>> - Ext3 does not need defragmentation so I have no need for a
>> defragmentation utility. No need for Diskeeper.
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> nor for windows If I want a decent defragmentation tool then yes I do. If I want crappy
defragmentation, then no I don't. Matter of standards here.
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>> - Out of the box very good e-mail software with all the features I need.
>> I'd have no need to pay for MS Outlook or other third party.
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> nor for windows If you consider outlook express *good*...nothing will help you.
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>> - Eclipse 3.3/CDT4.0 perfectly fits my needs for C/C++ Development far
>> better than MS Visual Studio. No need to buy anything.
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> nor for windows My needs go beyond Visual Studio Express. So yes for windows.
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>> - There are plenty of Media players available for DVD and other media
>> playback. I have absolutely no need to buy something like PowerDVD as I
>> used to use under windows.
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> nor for windows As I said above, I want better quality than what Microsofts latest DRM
riddled windows media player has to offer. Also I don't think it can
directly play ISO images which is something I have a need for.
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>> - Plenty of very good Newsgroup clients available at no cost. Again, no
>> need to pay for something like Agent which I would need under Windows.
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> nor for windows What? Outlook express?? Give me a break....
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>> - Open Office meets all *my* basic word & spreadsheet needs. So I
>> personally have no need to pay for something like MS Office.
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> nor for windows True, I could use Open Office these days. But I'd probably want MS Office
just to have a decent e-mail client.
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>> - Burning CDs & DVDs is trivial, ISO images included. No need to buy
>> something like Nero or the like.
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> nor for windows. Really? So how do you burn an ISO image under XP for instance? Without 3rd
party support...
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>> Total Licensing cost? 0 and all my needs are perfectly met.
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> Sounds like windows does everything you want at no extra cost.. if you
> bother to think about it. At sub-standard quality compared to my linux equivalents...sure! I mean
windows can do anything if I lower my standards enough...
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>> The only mass market I see for Linux are games. Games are probably the
>> only major category for Linux that I see viable commercially on a mass
>> market scale since a Game is about the specific title. And you know what?
>> Plenty people wish and would definitely pay for games if more of them were
>> available for Linux. I know I would in a heartbeat. Matter of fact, if you
>> offered me the identical game at 20 bucks for windows and 40 bucks for
>> Linux, I'd buy the Linux version.
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> I bet you would.
> I bet you wouldn't be here posting about how you were being ripped off for
> being a linux user either. Where have I ever said anything about being ripped off for being a linux
user?
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>> The willingness to pay for software is there in the Linux Community.
>> Companies simply need to offer the right software.
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> That would be why so may linux companies are struggling to make money then?
> Linux not being the right software. Plenty companies in both worlds both doing well and both struggling.
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