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09-03-2007

"Frank" <fb@xxxxxx>, iletisinde þunu yazdý,
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> cozzmo1@xxxxxx wrote:
>

Quote:

>> Here is my Vista experience.
>>
>> As a Network Engineer I have worked with many hundreds of PC's with
>> multiple OS's.
>> Early May, I got a new Family PC.
>> Being the cutting edge Guy I went with Vista all the way.
>> I got a new custom PC, 500 Gig HD, 2-Gig RAM, The motherboard (ASRock
>> 775Dual-Vista) even has Vista in its name.
>> I just wanted to be sure everything was compatible.
>>
>> Vista (OEM 32-bit Home) installed nicely and after a little while I
>> was able to navigate it pretty easily. I liked the aero thingy, but
>> couldn't see much that XP didn't already provide.
>>
>> It wasn't until I started installing and using my programs that I
>> realized what a draining process it would be. I simply had to learn
>> first hand how ugly and really frustrating an OS could be.
>>
>> ---------
>> Annoyance.
>> Find: Not nearly as good as PCWorld makes it sound.
>> I like google desktop search much better, but you can't turn off
>> Vista's indexing fuction.
>> This makes it a bad choice to use Googles search and have 2 such
>> processes running.
>> Googles sidebar is exactly the same as the one that comes with Vista.
>>
>> ---------
>> Problem:
>>
>> AOL email crashes in mozilla and the client crashes, email only worked
>> using IE.
>> AOL Error Code: C0FE1702
>> AOL 9.0VR (Vista Ready), (Worked for a while)
>> Then my son put on i-tunes for his IPOD. (AOL started to crash
>> progressivly over the next week),
>> I tried these:
>> uninstalled mcafee
>> uninstalled aol,
>> printer driver
>> reload.
>>
>> FIX:
>> I uninstalled itunes and that fixed the problem until he re-installed
>> it, with a newer version that still didn't help, (AOL+VISTA+itunes=AOL
>> Crashing).
>>
>> Note: AOL was not completly fixed as it would always disco
>> occasionally after that.
>>
>> ---------
>> Anoyance:
>> The screen kept going momentarily black whenever I loaded a program
>> with the annoying button asking if I was sure I wanted to run the
>> program.
>>
>> FIX:
>> I turned off UAC (user account control) to speed things up.
>> Told that it could be a security hole though.
>> ---------
>> Problem
>> Mcafee will not install on Vista.
>>
>> FIX.
>> To install my retail mcafee on vista.
>> http://us.mcafee.com/vista/
>>
>> run sticker_update_1_2.exe
>> Be sure to keep your McAfee product CD that was included in the box.
>> You will need this CD for authentication to add the Vista-compatible
>> upgrade.
>>
>> Note: Mcafee seems to run faster in XP
>>
>> --------
>> Problem:
>>
>> I could not access the C:/ drive on my new VISTA from my XP machine.
>> (just other subfolders)
>> Getting "not permitted" error.
>> \\COMPUTER\c$ is not accessible. You might not have permission to use
>> this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to
>> find out if you have access permissions.
>>

Quote:

>>>From other web site, but this is the overly complex workaround.

>> HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System and add
>> a new DWORD labeled "LocalAccountTokenFilterPolicy" and set it's value
>> to 1.
>>
>> Reboot
>>
>> I also had to R-click C: do "advanced sharing" add "everyone and
>> annonymous login" and give them full permissions. (even though I did
>> it before I had tweaked the registry).
>>
>> ------------
>> Problem:
>> unidentified device. "Yellow "?" in the device manager.
>> Still get error " Windows Vista does not support MPU-401 Compatible
>> MIDI Device"
>> When I remove the unidentified device.
>>
>> Never fixed until I installed XP, then it went away.
>> -----
>> Problem:
>> Printer extremely slow.
>> HP PSC 1310 All-in-One series printer,
>>
>> Trying to print from my Vista PC to the printer that is on my XP box.
>> ?? tried updating the driver on xp and also installed driver on the
>> remote vista pc.
>> Nothing worked.
>>
>> Cause:
>> HP will do nothing to fix the problem and I am not about to Buy a new
>> Printer just because HP will not ever make an XP driver that is also
>> Vista friendly.
>>
>> FIX:
>> Ditched Vista (Works great on XP)
>> ---------
>>
>> Problem:
>> Second Copy won't take my registration code.
>> Thus I was stuck with the one month trial.
>> FIX:
>> Ditched Vista
>> --------
>> Problem:
>> Utorrent downloads don't work. (Yes there are legitimate uses)
>>
>> FIX:
>> Vista has a greedy limit on TCP connections.
>> There is a crack for the "TCP concurrent connection limit in Vista".
>> but MS should have made it easier to adjust that.
>>
>> This seems to work ok using XP.
>> --------
>> Problem:
>> Adobe premier 6.5 and MainConcept.
>> Not sure which, but when I render a video to MPEG2 now the resulting
>> video has a bad sound track that is out of sync with the video. this
>> results in Jerky DVD's and is a major issue for me.
>> The output MPEG 2 video (according to AVICodec) is intermittently
>> flawed.
>>
>> -----
>> Problem,
>> Entrust encryption software (Client Software: Entrust Entelligence
>> 6.1SP1)
>> Not Vista capable.
>> No workaround.
>> (this will at least keep my office from embracing Vista for a while)
>> ------
>> Problem,
>>
>> Nero 6.3, (this was on the MS site as a compatible product)
>> When installing, there was a warning that this was Vista incompatible,
>> and I chose to install anyway. Nero didn't work.
>> but worse, the DVD Drive completly vanished from my explorer!!
>>
>> FIX: None,
>> I had to do a rollback to a previous time.
>> Uninstalled Nero. to this date, Nero of any flavor does not with
>> Vista.
>> --------
>> Problem:
>> Sonic My-DVD, simply does not work with Vista.
>> Cannot install or run.
>>
>> Workaround: None, but...
>> I bought Video Show Expressions. This worked, but was really not as
>> good as Sonic and it doesn't take elementary streams for video input
>> like Sonic does.
>> So now I have sunk more money into the Vista incompatibility issue for
>> lesser software.
>> -----
>> Problem
>> Office XP, (office assistant)
>> You only get the paper clip, none of the other helper buddies work. no
>> dog/Cat/Wizard.
>> I didn't try all the other features, but Word/Excel worked ok.
>>
>> I guess Microsoft wants me to buy the new office
>> --------
>> Problem:
>> Age of Empires/Conquerors expansion.
>> My favorite Game and it's by Microsoft, so it should work. (NOT)
>> You can't see any of the help files to see what units cost of what you
>> civilizations strengths/weakneses are.
>> I Verifeid this also using another Vista PC also.
>>
>> ------
>> Problem: (this time HW related)
>> after a few months and countless hours dealing with the above Vista
>> Annoyances.
>> I had a real HW problem.
>>
>> Symptoms:
>> 07/31
>> Crashed BSOD (Blue Screen of Death), while surfing walmart.com
>> Problem signature:
>> Problem Event Name: BlueScreen
>> OS Version: 6.0.6000.2.0.0.768.3
>>
>> I restored the PC back to the (07/23/07)
>> Didn't work, still getting an inconsistent BSOD.
>>
>> I put in a new 300 gig HD thinking that that was the problem, I
>> reinstalled Vista on that, but before ever connecting to the internet,
>> I was getting the BSOD.
>>
>> To make a very long story short.
>> 08/05/07 Problem solved, I found and removed a bad 1 GIG RAM chip.
>> Now the PC was working with the original HD and everything looked the
>> same but it wasnt'.
>>
>> -------
>> Problem.
>> Issue that arose probably as a result of the nasty crashed with the
>> bad RAM chip.
>> windows update is no longer working. (all the other stuff seems to
>> work though)
>> error,
>> "Windows could not search for new update"
>> WindowsUpdate_C0150004 WindowsUpdate_dt000
>>
>> Tried
>> Rename the C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution folder, but didn't work.
>>
>> I Called Microsoft support. @800-936-5700 and got a tech named S.
>> Boopath, He was actually very dilligent and I don't hold him
>> personally responsible.
>> This is actually a call that lasted 5 hours the first day and then
>> took place for a couple of hours the next day only to end with a
>> completely innoperative PC.
>>
>> The tech sent me an automatic decoder tool.
>> and I emailed him the output data so that he could go over that.
>>
>> He Called back several hours later, He then logged in via remote
>> desktop.
>> This allows him to take total control of my PC, move the mouse and
>> type.
>>
>> He stopped a bunch of processes and renamed a bunch of files.
>> such as windows/system32/catroot and windows/SoftwareDistribution
>> then restarted.
>> The PC now came up with a black screen.
>> after many unsuccessful attempts to revert by using the Vista-DVD, and
>> calling back the next day to see if we could fix this.
>> He said we would need to reformat and reinstall Vista.
>> I had to save my Data still and was able to get a DOS prompt using the
>> "repair reinstall" option on the DVD.
>> I put on that extra HD from earlier and made a careful batch file
>> using "xcopy /S /H /E /Y"
>>
>> At this point I gave up.
>>
>> I told the MS Tech that if I was going to reformat my HD, there was no
>> way Vista would ever go back on this machine.
>>
>> He appologized and basically admitted that "this is a problem that is
>> Vista specific, meaning it wouldn't have happened on XP. and he said
>> that a lot of the software/HW manufacturers just aren't on the
>> bandwagon yet with Vista"
>>
>> I then threw in the towel and ordered a new copy of XP.
>> There is no way I will put Vista back on.
>>
>> -------
>> So here I am with an expensive OEM Vista that I don't use.
>> I have bought several programs to replace Vista incompatible programs
>> and I suspect that I put 60-80 hours into the learning and
>> troubleshooting process.
>>
>> My XP works great on my "ASRock 775Dual-Vista" and even threads the
>> dual processors really well.
>> Not just some but all of the above issues where completely resolved
>> once I put on XP.
>>
>> My question is... How is everyone so OK with this??
>> Am I going mad, is it just me?
>> Where is everyone with similar issues?
>> Why does PCWorld and all the other publications keep gushing about how
>> good this product is?
>> What is the reason, Is there any compelling reason for anyone to get
>> Vista in the first place?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Crzzy1
>> (Just for the record, Vista Sucks)
>>

>
> Let give you a clue.
> Never, ever again admit in public that you are a Network Engineer, ok.
> Cause based on the above post you have no idea what you're doing.
> Just a piece of friendly advice.
> Frank

That's right!
I couldn't read the list until the end. One thing I can say is that the
indexing service can be turned off in Vista.

09-03-2007	#4 (permalink)
Sumer Yamaner n/a posts	Re: My Vista Experience. "Frank" <fb@xxxxxx>, iletisinde þunu yazdý, news:OCEY%23vk7HHA.1148@xxxxxx Quote: > cozzmo1@xxxxxx wrote: > Quote: >> Here is my Vista experience. >> >> As a Network Engineer I have worked with many hundreds of PC's with >> multiple OS's. >> Early May, I got a new Family PC. >> Being the cutting edge Guy I went with Vista all the way. >> I got a new custom PC, 500 Gig HD, 2-Gig RAM, The motherboard (ASRock >> 775Dual-Vista) even has Vista in its name. >> I just wanted to be sure everything was compatible. >> >> Vista (OEM 32-bit Home) installed nicely and after a little while I >> was able to navigate it pretty easily. I liked the aero thingy, but >> couldn't see much that XP didn't already provide. >> >> It wasn't until I started installing and using my programs that I >> realized what a draining process it would be. I simply had to learn >> first hand how ugly and really frustrating an OS could be. >> >> --------- >> Annoyance. >> Find: Not nearly as good as PCWorld makes it sound. >> I like google desktop search much better, but you can't turn off >> Vista's indexing fuction. >> This makes it a bad choice to use Googles search and have 2 such >> processes running. >> Googles sidebar is exactly the same as the one that comes with Vista. >> >> --------- >> Problem: >> >> AOL email crashes in mozilla and the client crashes, email only worked >> using IE. >> AOL Error Code: C0FE1702 >> AOL 9.0VR (Vista Ready), (Worked for a while) >> Then my son put on i-tunes for his IPOD. (AOL started to crash >> progressivly over the next week), >> I tried these: >> uninstalled mcafee >> uninstalled aol, >> printer driver >> reload. >> >> FIX: >> I uninstalled itunes and that fixed the problem until he re-installed >> it, with a newer version that still didn't help, (AOL+VISTA+itunes=AOL >> Crashing). >> >> Note: AOL was not completly fixed as it would always disco >> occasionally after that. >> >> --------- >> Anoyance: >> The screen kept going momentarily black whenever I loaded a program >> with the annoying button asking if I was sure I wanted to run the >> program. >> >> FIX: >> I turned off UAC (user account control) to speed things up. >> Told that it could be a security hole though. >> --------- >> Problem >> Mcafee will not install on Vista. >> >> FIX. >> To install my retail mcafee on vista. >> http://us.mcafee.com/vista/ >> >> run sticker_update_1_2.exe >> Be sure to keep your McAfee product CD that was included in the box. >> You will need this CD for authentication to add the Vista-compatible >> upgrade. >> >> Note: Mcafee seems to run faster in XP >> >> -------- >> Problem: >> >> I could not access the C:/ drive on my new VISTA from my XP machine. >> (just other subfolders) >> Getting "not permitted" error. >> \\COMPUTER\c$ is not accessible. You might not have permission to use >> this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to >> find out if you have access permissions. >> Quote: >>>From other web site, but this is the overly complex workaround. >> HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System and add >> a new DWORD labeled "LocalAccountTokenFilterPolicy" and set it's value >> to 1. >> >> Reboot >> >> I also had to R-click C: do "advanced sharing" add "everyone and >> annonymous login" and give them full permissions. (even though I did >> it before I had tweaked the registry). >> >> ------------ >> Problem: >> unidentified device. "Yellow "?" in the device manager. >> Still get error " Windows Vista does not support MPU-401 Compatible >> MIDI Device" >> When I remove the unidentified device. >> >> Never fixed until I installed XP, then it went away. >> ----- >> Problem: >> Printer extremely slow. >> HP PSC 1310 All-in-One series printer, >> >> Trying to print from my Vista PC to the printer that is on my XP box. >> ?? tried updating the driver on xp and also installed driver on the >> remote vista pc. >> Nothing worked. >> >> Cause: >> HP will do nothing to fix the problem and I am not about to Buy a new >> Printer just because HP will not ever make an XP driver that is also >> Vista friendly. >> >> FIX: >> Ditched Vista (Works great on XP) >> --------- >> >> Problem: >> Second Copy won't take my registration code. >> Thus I was stuck with the one month trial. >> FIX: >> Ditched Vista >> -------- >> Problem: >> Utorrent downloads don't work. (Yes there are legitimate uses) >> >> FIX: >> Vista has a greedy limit on TCP connections. >> There is a crack for the "TCP concurrent connection limit in Vista". >> but MS should have made it easier to adjust that. >> >> This seems to work ok using XP. >> -------- >> Problem: >> Adobe premier 6.5 and MainConcept. >> Not sure which, but when I render a video to MPEG2 now the resulting >> video has a bad sound track that is out of sync with the video. this >> results in Jerky DVD's and is a major issue for me. >> The output MPEG 2 video (according to AVICodec) is intermittently >> flawed. >> >> ----- >> Problem, >> Entrust encryption software (Client Software: Entrust Entelligence >> 6.1SP1) >> Not Vista capable. >> No workaround. >> (this will at least keep my office from embracing Vista for a while) >> ------ >> Problem, >> >> Nero 6.3, (this was on the MS site as a compatible product) >> When installing, there was a warning that this was Vista incompatible, >> and I chose to install anyway. Nero didn't work. >> but worse, the DVD Drive completly vanished from my explorer!! >> >> FIX: None, >> I had to do a rollback to a previous time. >> Uninstalled Nero. to this date, Nero of any flavor does not with >> Vista. >> -------- >> Problem: >> Sonic My-DVD, simply does not work with Vista. >> Cannot install or run. >> >> Workaround: None, but... >> I bought Video Show Expressions. This worked, but was really not as >> good as Sonic and it doesn't take elementary streams for video input >> like Sonic does. >> So now I have sunk more money into the Vista incompatibility issue for >> lesser software. >> ----- >> Problem >> Office XP, (office assistant) >> You only get the paper clip, none of the other helper buddies work. no >> dog/Cat/Wizard. >> I didn't try all the other features, but Word/Excel worked ok. >> >> I guess Microsoft wants me to buy the new office >> -------- >> Problem: >> Age of Empires/Conquerors expansion. >> My favorite Game and it's by Microsoft, so it should work. (NOT) >> You can't see any of the help files to see what units cost of what you >> civilizations strengths/weakneses are. >> I Verifeid this also using another Vista PC also. >> >> ------ >> Problem: (this time HW related) >> after a few months and countless hours dealing with the above Vista >> Annoyances. >> I had a real HW problem. >> >> Symptoms: >> 07/31 >> Crashed BSOD (Blue Screen of Death), while surfing walmart.com >> Problem signature: >> Problem Event Name: BlueScreen >> OS Version: 6.0.6000.2.0.0.768.3 >> >> I restored the PC back to the (07/23/07) >> Didn't work, still getting an inconsistent BSOD. >> >> I put in a new 300 gig HD thinking that that was the problem, I >> reinstalled Vista on that, but before ever connecting to the internet, >> I was getting the BSOD. >> >> To make a very long story short. >> 08/05/07 Problem solved, I found and removed a bad 1 GIG RAM chip. >> Now the PC was working with the original HD and everything looked the >> same but it wasnt'. >> >> ------- >> Problem. >> Issue that arose probably as a result of the nasty crashed with the >> bad RAM chip. >> windows update is no longer working. (all the other stuff seems to >> work though) >> error, >> "Windows could not search for new update" >> WindowsUpdate_C0150004 WindowsUpdate_dt000 >> >> Tried >> Rename the C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution folder, but didn't work. >> >> I Called Microsoft support. @800-936-5700 and got a tech named S. >> Boopath, He was actually very dilligent and I don't hold him >> personally responsible. >> This is actually a call that lasted 5 hours the first day and then >> took place for a couple of hours the next day only to end with a >> completely innoperative PC. >> >> The tech sent me an automatic decoder tool. >> and I emailed him the output data so that he could go over that. >> >> He Called back several hours later, He then logged in via remote >> desktop. >> This allows him to take total control of my PC, move the mouse and >> type. >> >> He stopped a bunch of processes and renamed a bunch of files. >> such as windows/system32/catroot and windows/SoftwareDistribution >> then restarted. >> The PC now came up with a black screen. >> after many unsuccessful attempts to revert by using the Vista-DVD, and >> calling back the next day to see if we could fix this. >> He said we would need to reformat and reinstall Vista. >> I had to save my Data still and was able to get a DOS prompt using the >> "repair reinstall" option on the DVD. >> I put on that extra HD from earlier and made a careful batch file >> using "xcopy /S /H /E /Y" >> >> At this point I gave up. >> >> I told the MS Tech that if I was going to reformat my HD, there was no >> way Vista would ever go back on this machine. >> >> He appologized and basically admitted that "this is a problem that is >> Vista specific, meaning it wouldn't have happened on XP. and he said >> that a lot of the software/HW manufacturers just aren't on the >> bandwagon yet with Vista" >> >> I then threw in the towel and ordered a new copy of XP. >> There is no way I will put Vista back on. >> >> ------- >> So here I am with an expensive OEM Vista that I don't use. >> I have bought several programs to replace Vista incompatible programs >> and I suspect that I put 60-80 hours into the learning and >> troubleshooting process. >> >> My XP works great on my "ASRock 775Dual-Vista" and even threads the >> dual processors really well. >> Not just some but all of the above issues where completely resolved >> once I put on XP. >> >> My question is... How is everyone so OK with this?? >> Am I going mad, is it just me? >> Where is everyone with similar issues? >> Why does PCWorld and all the other publications keep gushing about how >> good this product is? >> What is the reason, Is there any compelling reason for anyone to get >> Vista in the first place? >> >> Thanks, >> Crzzy1 >> (Just for the record, Vista Sucks) >> > > Let give you a clue. > Never, ever again admit in public that you are a Network Engineer, ok. > Cause based on the above post you have no idea what you're doing. > Just a piece of friendly advice. > Frank That's right! I couldn't read the list until the end. One thing I can say is that the indexing service can be turned off in Vista.
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