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Re: Brand new laptop, so brand new to Vista. Three questions. !! Follow Up !!
If the XP shows in the map on the Vista then I suppose you don't need it. I
believe that I got it by doing a Windows Update and it was in the
'recommended' updates rather than the security/critical type. Also I am
using XP 32 bit SP2 on my laptop, vista home premium on my desktop, also do
all security updates and most non-hardware updates.
Correct name for patch I was referencing to is 'link-layer topology
discovery responder' KB922120. Not clear to me if it applies to 64 bit XPs.
Michael
"McG." <McGrandpaNOT@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OH6swQzGIHA.4592@xxxxxx Quote:
> re XP Pro x64; I've never installed *any* windows updates in the two
> years I've run the system. It is stable and solid as a rock. I'm a bit
> paranoid about the 34 updates including SP2-x64 for it. There were tons
> of problems with autoupdates and most windows updates for x64 two years
> ago.
> The Vista machine is different. It's New. :-) I can always just use the
> recovery disks.
>
> After the Vista updates, the Vista machine now sees both XP machines, and
> are shown in the full map.
> I'll look for any updates that improve Network Discovery in XP. Don't see
> anything yet. Might be in x64 SP2?
> McG.
>
> "Michael Walraven" <mexxwalraven@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:%2351N8zyGIHA.1212@xxxxxx Quote:
>>A thing to check, there is a update for XP that permits improved 'network
>>discovery'. Vista/XP will work without it but will work better with it.
>>The update is not a 'security' one so it is not automatic.
>> I think that if you go to netowrk and sharing center and click on view
>> full map your will see the XP machine if the update has been made,
>> otherwise it wont show there.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> "McG." <McGrandpaNOT@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:uHJcNhxGIHA.4584@xxxxxx Quote:
>>> "Michael Walraven" <mexxwalraven@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:FD615A2C-CC0F-4D45-A38D-0DCD11CB70A5@xxxxxx
>>>> 3.
>>>>
>>>> There are two parts to sharing/using files within Vista.
>>>> Sharing - this allows various files/directories to be seen across the
>>>> network.
>>>> Access - this allow users to access/view/change files and directories
>>>> that are being shared.
>>>>
>>>> Just because a directory is being shared does not mean that a specific
>>>> user can access files within that directory.
>>>>
>>>> There are two basic ways to get a directory shared, right click on the
>>>> directory
>>>> There is a entry for 'sharing' use this to get the simplest sharing
>>>> setup.
>>>> Otherwise select properties and the sharing tab, advanced sharing. This
>>>> allows much finer control and many more ways to screw up permissions so
>>>> that you machine is unusable!
>>>>
>>>> Before messing with permission/sharing I recommend that your do a
>>>> system snapshot so that you can do a system restore if necessary.
>>>>
>>>> If you haven't already noticed, Vista/XP happiness on sharing depends a
>>>> great deal on having identical accounts on both machines. If your logon
>>>> account and password on both machines is the same things just go much
>>>> smoother.
>>>>
>>>> Simple steps to get your share going.
>>>> Right click on c:\arcs\download
>>>> select sharing
>>>> select from the expandable list if you want more than the owner of the
>>>> directory (yourself). Note that the 'public' shares include 'everyone'
>>>> in the list.
>>>> click on share, will take a while to set everything up correctly. You
>>>> are very unlikely to mess up your system using this way.
>>>>
>>>> You say you can see c:\arcs, so perhaps you have already gotten to the
>>>> steps above, so sorry about the redundancy.
>>>> If so right click on c:\arcs and check the sharing.
>>>>
>>>> As far as seeing the share but not seeing the content, check the
>>>> security settings (properties/security tab) to make sure that the
>>>> account from the XP has permissions to view/change the items.
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>> "McG." <McGrandpaNOT@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:ecv0mkjGIHA.4496@xxxxxx
>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not new to computers or Windows OS's at all. Vista, though, is
>>>>> new to me. I just bought a new laptop (Toshiba Satellite
>>>>> P205D-S7454), and it has Vista Home Premium 32 bit preinstalled.
>>>>> In my first hour of running it, I managed to delete my entire desktop.
>>>>> Rebooting, it was still gone. So for the first time ever, I cracked
>>>>> the seal on my own recovery disks. Two hours later, I make sure I
>>>>> don't mess with unhiding system files anymore :-)
>>>>> Ok, so Vista is pretty cool. It's also quite a bit different than any
>>>>> other Windows version. So far, all my software I need installed is
>>>>> working just fine. Vista hasn't complained about any of it, including
>>>>> all my 3D apps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Three questions:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Windows Explorer, or, just Explorer in Vista. I'd like to have
>>>>> it open to the same size, position, and with the same folder shown
>>>>> open using a specific shortcut. With 98SE and XP, this was very
>>>>> easy. In XP I simply use:
>>>>>
>>>>> Target location: %SystemRoot%
>>>>> target: %SystemRoot%\explorer.exe /e,C:\
>>>>> Start in: %HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH%
>>>>>
>>>>> And the XP Explorer remembers its size and location, and opens with
>>>>> C:\ open in the folder pane.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Vista, this [ C:\Windows\explorer.exe /e,C:\ ] gets Explorer open
>>>>> and C:\ is open. But the size is always too small. How do I get it
>>>>> to open to the size I want every time from that shortcut? Maybe I'm
>>>>> not running Explorer from the right place, or the right way?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. How do I get Explorer to NOT show "Favorite Links" at the top of
>>>>> the folder pane? If I can't remove it, then at least get it at the
>>>>> bottom of the folder pane.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Private network, File and Folder sharing. From the
>>>>> laptop/Vista, I have no trouble accessing my desktop running XP Pro
>>>>> x64 and using the folders I've shared from there. From the XP x64
>>>>> machine, I can see this laptop, see the folders I've 'shared' but am
>>>>> not able to open them at all. I see there is a "Public" folder that
>>>>> opens into several folders, 'Public Downloads' for instance. Those I
>>>>> can access. But I prefer to be able to access "C:\ARCS\DOWNLOADS"
>>>>> directly, for instance. While I can see "C:\ARCS", I can't open it.
>>>>> 'Access denied....'
>>>>> What do I need to do to access that folder from my desktop?
>>>>> I'm using a DLink DI-524 4 port switch with Wireless G (802.11b/g),
>>>>> the desktop is wired (10/100mbit) and the laptop is Wireless (54mbit
>>>>> max). The networking seems fine. I seem to have missed a setting in
>>>>> Vista for the shares.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other than these two little things, I think I've figured out how to
>>>>> (safely!) get around in Vista now. The Aero interface is neat, Vista
>>>>> runs quite well, seems very responsive and the system is quick. I'm
>>>>> just guessing, but since Vista hasn't stopped me, all the software
>>>>> I've installed thus far is 'compatible'.
>>>>> Having a nice bright 17" Widescreen WXGA display for it is very nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>> McG.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Followup:
>>>
>>> 3. Turned out the problem was twofold. I had not installed any updates
>>> at all, and (likely the big one with Vista) had not added a Guest
>>> account with appropriate access levels for the folders I wanted to
>>> share. I had only Administrator/owner account for access, which is
>>> where everything HAS to be identical with each machine. Now there is a
>>> Guest/Contributor for them also. I already had Private Network set,
>>> btw. It is a little different in XP of course, the access to security
>>> settings are put right in your face in Vista :-) . But in the end, the
>>> result is I have access to what I want from where I want. I ran Windows
>>> Update, checked out the 29 available downloads for Vista and Office
>>> 2003, found them to all be desirable, downloaded and installed all 29,
>>> rebooted and all is well. I can now access the new folders I've shared
>>> from both the XP Pro x64 desktop and XP Home on old Toshiba laptop.
>>>
>>> 1. and 2. were better that I figured out on my own. No problems there
>>> now either. Opening Explorer any way other than my new shortcut results
>>> in the default Explorer, and with that shorcut just the way I like it.
>>> Finding I can just drag the 'Favorite Links' box bottom line up till it
>>> is almost gone was a DUH moment ;-)
>>>
>>> General thoughts on Vista now:
>>>
>>> Pretty darn good, all things considered. It's quite a lot faster than
>>> I expected. And I actually like having the security features thrown
>>> right in my face. Once they're properly taken care of, no worries. As
>>> long as the hardware manufacturers supply drivers to support X64/Vista,
>>> all is well it seems.
>>>
>>> I'm now considering Vista Ultimate 64 bit for the desktop :-D
>>>
>>> Thanks again for the help, Michael!
>>>
>>> McG.
>>>
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