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01-08-2008

Happier.... and a bit disappointed that MS can't integrate search all in one
place.

Relieved that I can move on! Will try out search within LM - I had assumed
it was as poor as that within OE, but from your remarks it looks like it may
be a bit better.

Comprehensive reply much, much appreciated.

ff

"Ildhund" wrote:

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> OK. Comments inline...
>
> first500 wrote...

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> > I have followed the instructions below. Emails are now indexed, but.....

>

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> > a) the title is shown as a file name, eg 17CF2AA2-0000000A3.eml

>
> Yep. A raw .eml file has no document properties to speak of (like Title,
> Subject, Author etc). The file name is all that WDS has to go by, and the
> developers chose this arcane file-naming convention, probably to deter
> people like me from messing about with files in the Store folder. If you do
> do that, you foul up the database and create all sorts of trouble.
>

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> > b) the email opens up in OE, even though WLM is set as the default email
> > client

>
> Quick and dirty: right-click on an eml file name (you can do it in a WDS
> window) and select Open with. Select "Always use this program...", browse to
> wlmail.exe and OK your way out. Same again for nws. Posh way: Control Panel

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> > Folder options > File types, find EML (and NWS) and click Change. Browse

> to Windows Live Mail or wlmail.exe.
>

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> > c) WDS will only index emails that have been opened (presume the email has
> > thus been downloaded to a file in the WLM folder.

>
> Don't know about this - I haven't got any unread e-mails to play with. It
> will depend, of course, on your synchronization settings. If you download
> Headers only, then there isn't anything to index yet. But I would have
> thought that a downloaded message body would get indexed regardless of
> whether it had been read or not.
>

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> > Not really satisfactory. Are there other settings that need to be changed
> > to make WLM store emails in a form compatible with WDS.

>
> If you drag an eml or nws file from WLMail to your desktop, it will appear
> with FileName = Subject: and DateModified=Date:, and so be indexed by WDS
> with this new file name as Title. (The "Date modified" on an eml file in the
> file system is the date and time it was written to the database, not the
> Date: field of the message itself). This seems, though, to be a lot of
> effort for little gain.
>

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> > One other thing: The "All Locations" pull-down in WDS only shows options
> > for "Files" or "Outlook Express". Live Mail not mentioned.

>
> That's because it's covered by Files. OE stores its messages in a
> portmanteau database file called *.dbx, whereas WLMail stores them as
> individual files. You do have an "E-mail" button a bit further right which
> will restrict your search to eml and nws (and, I think, RSS) files.
>
> Now, having said all that, I personally find that I don't use the WDS search
> facility much to find messages. I just use the "Find a message" box in
> WLMail - this accesses the WDS index and produces results very quickly,
> within a particular folder or in "All e-mail" or "All news". If I need to
> find messages From but not To a particular individual, then Edit > Find
> (Ctrl-Shift-F) works well, but slowly compared with the 'Find a message'
> wordwheel.
>
> Oh, and one more thing I remembered while reading this through before
> hitting 'Send'. EML and NWS files are plain text files. I have the file
> associations for EML and NWS set to Notepad. This doesn't affect the
> workings of WLMail, but it does mean that if the mail program is not
> running, I can still view a mail message without waiting for WLMail to start
> up.
>
> Happier now?
> --
> Noel
>

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> > "Ildhund" wrote:
> >

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> >> Works fine for me. Make sure your Store folder (Options > Advanced >
> >> Maintenance > Store folder button will tell you where it is) is marked
> >> for
> >> indexing (Right-click on the folder in Explorer, select Properties >
> >> General
> >> tab > Advanced button) and included in indexed locations in WDS (Click on
> >> the tray icon and select WDS Search options > Modify to select the Store
> >> folder). Check also that on the Advanced > File types tab, eml and nws
> >> files
> >> are included and the option to Index properties and file contents is
> >> selected. OK your way out, then go to bed.
> >>
> >> The default Store folder location (in %userprofile%\Local Settings) is by
> >> default excluded from the WDS index.
> >> --
> >> Noel
> >>
> >>
> >> "first500" <first500@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:52260594-E471-42F1-B365-490A9ADF06CD@xxxxxx
> >> > Just installed Live Mail, but find that WDS still indexes (only) at
> >> > Outlook
> >> > Express emails. There seems to be no option in WDS to include LM in
> >> > the
> >> > email search.
> >> >
> >> > Am I missing something? Does anyone know how to force WDS to index
> >> > emails
> >> > stored in Live Mail?
> >> > Help appreciated - ff
> >>
> >>
> >>

>
>

01-08-2008	#6 (permalink)
first500 n/a posts	Re: Live Mail indexing in Windows Desktop Search 3.1 Happier.... and a bit disappointed that MS can't integrate search all in one place. Relieved that I can move on! Will try out search within LM - I had assumed it was as poor as that within OE, but from your remarks it looks like it may be a bit better. Comprehensive reply much, much appreciated. ff "Ildhund" wrote: Quote: > OK. Comments inline... > > first500 wrote... Quote: > > I have followed the instructions below. Emails are now indexed, but..... > Quote: > > a) the title is shown as a file name, eg 17CF2AA2-0000000A3.eml > > Yep. A raw .eml file has no document properties to speak of (like Title, > Subject, Author etc). The file name is all that WDS has to go by, and the > developers chose this arcane file-naming convention, probably to deter > people like me from messing about with files in the Store folder. If you do > do that, you foul up the database and create all sorts of trouble. > Quote: > > b) the email opens up in OE, even though WLM is set as the default email > > client > > Quick and dirty: right-click on an eml file name (you can do it in a WDS > window) and select Open with. Select "Always use this program...", browse to > wlmail.exe and OK your way out. Same again for nws. Posh way: Control Panel Quote: > > Folder options > File types, find EML (and NWS) and click Change. Browse > to Windows Live Mail or wlmail.exe. > Quote: > > c) WDS will only index emails that have been opened (presume the email has > > thus been downloaded to a file in the WLM folder. > > Don't know about this - I haven't got any unread e-mails to play with. It > will depend, of course, on your synchronization settings. If you download > Headers only, then there isn't anything to index yet. But I would have > thought that a downloaded message body would get indexed regardless of > whether it had been read or not. > Quote: > > Not really satisfactory. Are there other settings that need to be changed > > to make WLM store emails in a form compatible with WDS. > > If you drag an eml or nws file from WLMail to your desktop, it will appear > with FileName = Subject: and DateModified=Date:, and so be indexed by WDS > with this new file name as Title. (The "Date modified" on an eml file in the > file system is the date and time it was written to the database, not the > Date: field of the message itself). This seems, though, to be a lot of > effort for little gain. > Quote: > > One other thing: The "All Locations" pull-down in WDS only shows options > > for "Files" or "Outlook Express". Live Mail not mentioned. > > That's because it's covered by Files. OE stores its messages in a > portmanteau database file called *.dbx, whereas WLMail stores them as > individual files. You do have an "E-mail" button a bit further right which > will restrict your search to eml and nws (and, I think, RSS) files. > > Now, having said all that, I personally find that I don't use the WDS search > facility much to find messages. I just use the "Find a message" box in > WLMail - this accesses the WDS index and produces results very quickly, > within a particular folder or in "All e-mail" or "All news". If I need to > find messages From but not To a particular individual, then Edit > Find > (Ctrl-Shift-F) works well, but slowly compared with the 'Find a message' > wordwheel. > > Oh, and one more thing I remembered while reading this through before > hitting 'Send'. EML and NWS files are plain text files. I have the file > associations for EML and NWS set to Notepad. This doesn't affect the > workings of WLMail, but it does mean that if the mail program is not > running, I can still view a mail message without waiting for WLMail to start > up. > > Happier now? > -- > Noel > Quote: > > "Ildhund" wrote: > > Quote: > >> Works fine for me. Make sure your Store folder (Options > Advanced > > >> Maintenance > Store folder button will tell you where it is) is marked > >> for > >> indexing (Right-click on the folder in Explorer, select Properties > > >> General > >> tab > Advanced button) and included in indexed locations in WDS (Click on > >> the tray icon and select WDS Search options > Modify to select the Store > >> folder). Check also that on the Advanced > File types tab, eml and nws > >> files > >> are included and the option to Index properties and file contents is > >> selected. OK your way out, then go to bed. > >> > >> The default Store folder location (in %userprofile%\Local Settings) is by > >> default excluded from the WDS index. > >> -- > >> Noel > >> > >> > >> "first500" <first500@xxxxxx> wrote in message > >> news:52260594-E471-42F1-B365-490A9ADF06CD@xxxxxx > >> > Just installed Live Mail, but find that WDS still indexes (only) at > >> > Outlook > >> > Express emails. There seems to be no option in WDS to include LM in > >> > the > >> > email search. > >> > > >> > Am I missing something? Does anyone know how to force WDS to index > >> > emails > >> > stored in Live Mail? > >> > Help appreciated - ff > >> > >> > >> > >
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