"Bob Lucas" <bob@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:
> "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:eduZrFK0IHA.4492@xxxxxx Quote:
>> "Bob Lucas" <bob@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:g38j0l$rhb$1@xxxxxx
>> Quote:
>>> I have also configured Windows Live Mail to sort contacts
>>> alphabetically - surname first. However, if I use the contact
>>> list
>>> to send a message to Joe Bloggs, the resulting email shows
>>> the addressee's name as Bloggs Joe. In this respect, Outlook
>>> Express and the Hotmail webmail interface are much better.
>>> Is there any way of configuring the contacts list in Windows
>>> Live Mail to sort the list by Surname - but to send outgoing
>> emails with the addressee as Joe Bloggs, not Bloggs Joe?
>>
>> You're talking about two different settings here. > Quote:
>> In the Contacts window (list view), you can *sort* by any of the
>> visible fields, including surname, simply by clicking on the
>> column
>> heading.
>
> YES AND NO. If there is a Nickname, Windows Live Mail will sort
> the
> contact list alphabetically by Nickname. Consequenly, a nickname
> of "Bob Lucas" will sort under "B". A nickname of "Lucas Bob"
> will sort under "L". Wrong. In a Contacts window, entries will be sorted precisely by the
field showing the sort arrow, regardless of whether there is a
nickname or no.
If you choose to sort by Nickname, then those that have one will
appear in anti/alphabetical order depending on whether you're
sorting ascending or descending. The remaining entries will be
sorted ascending by the Name field, which as I said in my last post
is generated by WLMail.
Quote:
>
> If there is no Nickname, Windows Live Mail will sort by First Name
> OR by Last Name, depending upon your personal settings. Clicking
> at the top of the Name column merely sorts the names in ascending
> or descending alphabetical order. Clicking at the top of the
> column does not affect whether Windows Live Mail sorts by First
> Name or by Last Name.
>
You're mixing things up again. I was talking about a Contacts
window - what you get if you click the address book icon at the foot
of the Folder panel or hit Ctrl-Shift-C. I think you're talking
about the window that opens if you click on the address book icon in
a Compose window. Again, as I said earlier, this listing behaves
differently. You cannot configure what fields appear there; you are
limited to the Name field with its associated email address(es). You
can select an addressee from this list, and the contents of the Name
field will then appear in the appropriate field in the Compose
window.
Quote:
> Windows Live Mail can also sort by email address, if you click at
> the top of that column.
>
> Quote:
>> Another setting in the View menu of the contacts window is
>> '*Show*
>> *names* as first last'. This applies only to the Name field,
>> which is
>> generated by WLMail and contains Nickname if there is one and
>> First
>> name Last name if there isn't. If these are absent too, it uses
>> the
>> preferred (I think) email address. This is the field that
>> appears,
>> together with email address(es) if you select the icon next to
>> To:
>> etc. in a compose window and gets written to the addressee field.
>> If
>> it really means a lot to you, there's nothing to stop you
>> manually
>> populating the Nickname field with, say, First name Last name.
>> This
>> will override the 'Show names...' setting. It wouldn't take long
>> to
>> export your contacts to csv, open the csv in Excel and insert a
>> little
>> formula to fill the Nickname column, save as csv and reimport.
>>
>> I find I never use either of these when composing a message. In
>> your
>> case, I bet the right contact would come up with one click and
>> two
>> keystrokes: New, then sm. Only if you have more than 30 contacts
>> with
>> the same combination of letters (sm) will you even have to scroll
>> to
>> pick the right one.
Quote:
> I presume your instructions relate to Windows Live Mail, as
> opposed to
> Live Hotmail (webmail interface) or Windows Live Messenger. I
> have
> tested your instructions with one contact but unfortunately, they
> did
> not have the desired effect.
Do you mean that when you typed 'sm', your one contact whose surname
is Smith did not appear ready to be selected?
Quote:
> I have never used nicknames in Windows Live Mail for any of my
> contacts.
> However, as a test, I added the nickname "Lucas Bob" to one of my
> own
> POP3 email addresses. With this nickname, Windows Live Mail
> sorted my
> name under the first character of the nickname, namely "L".
>
> Then, in the view menu of Windows Live Mail, I selected "Sort by
> First
> Name / Last Name". I discovered that use of a nickname overrides
> all
> other sort options.
Precisely what I wrote 22 lines above this one. (I can't find an
option to 'Sort by First Name / Last Name' in any view menu.)
Quote:
> With the nickname of Lucas Bob, Windows Live Mail
> sorts the contact list alphabetically, so my contact name still
> appears
> under "L" - not "B". So far, so good.
>
> However, if I instruct Windows Live Mail to sort by First Name /
> Last
> Name,it still inserts the nickname "Lucas Bob" in outgoing
> emails - NOT
> "Bob Lucas". In other words, the "Sort Last Name / First Name"
> option
> and the "Sort First Name / Last Name" option don't work, if a
> contact
> has a nickname.
>
> I repeat - I want to sort the contact list in Windows Live Mail by
> Surname - not by First name. I also want the addressee's name in
> outgoing emails to appear as "Bob Lucas" - not "Lucas Bob".
>
> I have remove all nicknames once again - they seem to serve no
> useful
> purpose.
You want to sort the list that appears in a Compose window - which
is not the same as what is displayed in the Contacts window. What
you are trying to achieve can't be done, because the Name field
governs what goes in the addressee box. That's why I say try using
the much more efficient technique of just typing a few characters of
the addressee's name - or email address, or company name, or
anything else you can remember about him - in the addressee field.
If you're sending to a group, then the first few letters of the
group name will suffice. If not all of the members of the group are
to receive the message, you can just delete them from the addressee
field.
--
Noel