"Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:
> "Bob Lucas" <bob@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:g3945h$t8p$1@xxxxxx Quote:
>> "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:eduZrFK0IHA.4492@xxxxxx Quote:
>>> "Bob Lucas" <bob@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:g38j0l$rhb$1@xxxxxx
>>>
>>>> I have also configured Windows Live Mail to sort contacts
>>>> alphabetically - surname first. However, if I use the contact list
>>>> to send a message to Joe Bloggs, the resulting email shows
>>>> the addressee's name as Bloggs Joe. In this respect, Outlook
>>>> Express and the Hotmail webmail interface are much better.
>>>> Is there any way of configuring the contacts list in Windows
>>>> Live Mail to sort the list by Surname - but to send outgoing
>>> emails with the addressee as Joe Bloggs, not Bloggs Joe?
>>>
>>> You're talking about two different settings here.
>> Quote:
>>> In the Contacts window (list view), you can *sort* by any of the
>>> visible fields, including surname, simply by clicking on the column
>>> heading.
>>
>> YES AND NO. If there is a Nickname, Windows Live Mail will sort the
>> contact list alphabetically by Nickname. Consequenly, a nickname of
>> "Bob Lucas" will sort under "B". A nickname of "Lucas Bob" will sort
>> under "L". >
> Wrong. In a Contacts window, entries will be sorted precisely by the
> field showing the sort arrow, regardless of whether there is a
> nickname or no.
> If you choose to sort by Nickname, then those that have one will
> appear in anti/alphabetical order depending on whether you're sorting
> ascending or descending. The remaining entries will be sorted
> ascending by the Name field, which as I said in my last post is
> generated by WLMail.
> Quote:
>>
>> If there is no Nickname, Windows Live Mail will sort by First Name OR
>> by Last Name, depending upon your personal settings. Clicking at the
>> top of the Name column merely sorts the names in ascending or
>> descending alphabetical order. Clicking at the top of the column
>> does not affect whether Windows Live Mail sorts by First Name or by
>> Last Name.
>>
>
> You're mixing things up again. I was talking about a Contacts window -
> what you get if you click the address book icon at the foot of the
> Folder panel or hit Ctrl-Shift-C. I think you're talking about the
> window that opens if you click on the address book icon in a Compose
> window. Again, as I said earlier, this listing behaves differently.
> You cannot configure what fields appear there; you are limited to the
> Name field with its associated email address(es). You can select an
> addressee from this list, and the contents of the Name field will then
> appear in the appropriate field in the Compose window.
> Quote:
>> Windows Live Mail can also sort by email address, if you click at the
>> top of that column.
>>
>> Quote:
>>> Another setting in the View menu of the contacts window is '*Show*
>>> *names* as first last'. This applies only to the Name field, which
>>> is
>>> generated by WLMail and contains Nickname if there is one and First
>>> name Last name if there isn't. If these are absent too, it uses the
>>> preferred (I think) email address. This is the field that appears,
>>> together with email address(es) if you select the icon next to To:
>>> etc. in a compose window and gets written to the addressee field. If
>>> it really means a lot to you, there's nothing to stop you manually
>>> populating the Nickname field with, say, First name Last name. This
>>> will override the 'Show names...' setting. It wouldn't take long to
>>> export your contacts to csv, open the csv in Excel and insert a
>>> little
>>> formula to fill the Nickname column, save as csv and reimport.
>>>
>>> I find I never use either of these when composing a message. In your
>>> case, I bet the right contact would come up with one click and two
>>> keystrokes: New, then sm. Only if you have more than 30 contacts
>>> with
>>> the same combination of letters (sm) will you even have to scroll to
>>> pick the right one.
> Quote:
>> I presume your instructions relate to Windows Live Mail, as opposed
>> to
>> Live Hotmail (webmail interface) or Windows Live Messenger. I have
>> tested your instructions with one contact but unfortunately, they did
>> not have the desired effect.
>
> Do you mean that when you typed 'sm', your one contact whose surname
> is Smith did not appear ready to be selected?
> Quote:
>> I have never used nicknames in Windows Live Mail for any of my
>> contacts.
>> However, as a test, I added the nickname "Lucas Bob" to one of my own
>> POP3 email addresses. With this nickname, Windows Live Mail sorted
>> my
>> name under the first character of the nickname, namely "L".
>>
>> Then, in the view menu of Windows Live Mail, I selected "Sort by
>> First
>> Name / Last Name". I discovered that use of a nickname overrides all
>> other sort options.
>
> Precisely what I wrote 22 lines above this one. (I can't find an
> option to 'Sort by First Name / Last Name' in any view menu.)
> Quote:
>> With the nickname of Lucas Bob, Windows Live Mail
>> sorts the contact list alphabetically, so my contact name still
>> appears
>> under "L" - not "B". So far, so good.
>>
>> However, if I instruct Windows Live Mail to sort by First Name / Last
>> Name,it still inserts the nickname "Lucas Bob" in outgoing emails -
>> NOT
>> "Bob Lucas". In other words, the "Sort Last Name / First Name"
>> option
>> and the "Sort First Name / Last Name" option don't work, if a contact
>> has a nickname.
>>
>> I repeat - I want to sort the contact list in Windows Live Mail by
>> Surname - not by First name. I also want the addressee's name in
>> outgoing emails to appear as "Bob Lucas" - not "Lucas Bob".
>>
>> I have remove all nicknames once again - they seem to serve no useful
>> purpose.
>
> You want to sort the list that appears in a Compose window - which is
> not the same as what is displayed in the Contacts window. What you are
> trying to achieve can't be done, because the Name field governs what
> goes in the addressee box. That's why I say try using the much more
> efficient technique of just typing a few characters of the addressee's
> name - or email address, or company name, or anything else you can
> remember about him - in the addressee field. If you're sending to a
> group, then the first few letters of the group name will suffice. If
> not all of the members of the group are to receive the message, you
> can just delete them from the addressee field.
> --
> Noel I'm sorry - but the entire sort system in Live Mail is fatally flawed.
I agree that if you create a Nickname for each contact, Windows Live
Mail will sort the contacts list by the first letter of the Nickname.
The same sort order applies, if you click on the address icon, at the
side of the "To:" box of an email.
I also agree that you can set the view options in Windows Live Mail to
sort by "Show names as First Last" or "Show names as Last First".
However, this option has no effect whatsoever, where the contact has a
Nickname. This applies, irrespective of whether I use the full contact
list to create the email - or whether I create an email and click on the
address icon by "To:" box of the email.
Furthermore, if a contact has a Nickname, the Nickname overrides all
other settings. Then, the contact receives emails that are addressed to
the full NICKNAME (such as Lucas, Bob POP mail account - not even to Bob
Lucas or Lucas Bob). The same thing happens, if I send emails via the
Live Hotmail webmail interface.
I simply cannot understand why Microsoft has tampered with the previous
sort method, which worked perfectly in Outlook Express, .