Will Schuitman

I always rip my own music to mp3 format and thank god that still all works
and any wma files I rip from cd's I always make sure their not protected
I have over 800 cd's at home all of which I legally purchased I always buy
the latest music
I never buy any mp3 songs or wma music files online I guess if I already own
the cd's why should I pay for it twice ? seeing I have the right to back
them up
I was at one stage thinking of buying online music but DRM has totally
turned me off that idea and I'm sure many more feel that way. And hopefully
force a rethink of this DRM crap

"MrCoffee" <MrCoffee@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:19B24C97-5B75-49C8-A2BF-813B028A1A18@microsoft.com...
> ya i thought wmp11 was pretty good at first till it started
> screwing around with my music files i had ripped from my
> cd's so i didn't have to put the cd in to play it.
> then it started dropping the artwork and not reading the directory.
> pretty soo it was just easier to use my windvd7 and vlc player
> instead.
>
>
> "MICHAEL" wrote:
>
>> I don't give two ****es about Apple- what Microsoft does
>> has an impact on 95% of those who use computers.
>>
>> Of course, the entertainment companies push this
>> DRM crap hard. However, Microsoft is really the
>> company that developed and created this- it's their
>> OS. And, no one forced Microsoft to take the backup
>> and restore function out of WMP 11. That is my
>> biggest problem with the whole scheme.
>>
>> I should have a right to make a backup and keep
>> it *locally*. With WMP 11, you don't have that right.
>> If something mucks up the licenses or your computer-
>> you are SOL. I should also have the right to play
>> any music I pay for on any computer that I own-
>> I'm not talking about those subscription service downloads-
>> I mean music I paid for outright. Playing that music
>> any place I want, should be as easy as taking a CD
>> with you and playing it anywhere you want.
>>
>> I knew some shill would speak up, just didn't think
>> it would take only 7 minutes.
>>
>>
>> -Michael
>>
>> "Test Man" <testman@test.org> wrote in message
>> news:O$aFP1k3GHA.4900@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> > Only problem is your argument is majorly one-sided, as if Microsoft are
>> > the
>> > only ones doing it (*coughcoughApplecoughcough!*). Besides, obviously
>> > you
>> > haven't done your research or you would've known that it's the music
>> > companies that are pushing for DRM or they wouldn't allow their
>> > artist's
>> > songs to be sold online.
>> >
>> > So if you want to blame anyone, blame the music companies.
>> >
>> > "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
>> > news:ezgQhxk3GHA.2152@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >>I experienced the dark force of WMP 11 very recently.
>> >> Much, much money spent on music legally downloaded
>> >> from various music sites, mostly MSN Music. On any
>> >> machine that you update to WMP 11- you can no longer
>> >> backup or restore your licenses for the .wma files you legally
>> >> downloaded and paid for. On two of my machines- I learned
>> >> a very hard lesson about trying to play music I *paid* for.
>> >> Something I never thought I would say- thank you lawd for
>> >> a hacker. This "hacker" wrote a program to strip the DRM
>> >> crap from "protected" files. Let's see- faced with having to
>> >> burn all my paid for .wma files to a CD and then ripping them
>> >> back to the computer I want them to play on, or using this fast
>> >> little program to rip that nonsense out of the files- hmm.... I
>> >> wonder which path I took. I'm talking, literally, over a 1,000
>> >> songs I paid for. There is one catch, a good one, to using
>> >> this program- you have to have at least one valid license that
>> >> matches the .wma file you are trying to rip the DRM protection from.
>> >>
>> >> My advice- if you are using WinXP, stay away from
>> >> WMP 11. Don't look at it, don't download it- pretend
>> >> it doesn't exist. You do not need it. Vista users
>> >> don't have a choice. So, do not download any media
>> >> "protected" by DRM.
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure there will be some shill that comes along and
>> >> says this is no big deal. Well, the erosion of usage rights
>> >> is a slow and methodical process. They, the media
>> >> companies and Microsoft, have been "testing the waters".
>> >> It is amazing what folks just sit back and take. I was sort
>> >> of like that before DRM pissed me off. Fair use rights are
>> >> becoming a thing of the past. The ironic thing, these measures
>> >> do absolutely nothing to stop the real pirates. All it did was
>> >> piss off this customer who tried to do the "right" thing.
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> Microsoft Media Player shreds your rights
>> >>
>> >> By Charlie Demerjian
>> >>
>> >> THINK DRM WAS bad already? Think I was joking when I said the plan was
>> >> to
>> >> start with barely tolerable incursions on your rights, then turn the
>> >> thumbscrews? Welcome to Windows Media Player 11, and the rights get
>> >> chipped away a lot more. Get used to the feeling, if you buy DRM
>> >> infected
>> >> media, you will only have this happen with increasing rapidity.
>> >> One of the problems with WiMP11 is licensing and backing it up. If you
>> >> buy
>> >> media with DRM infections, you can't move the files from PC to PC, or
>> >> at
>> >> least you can't and have them play on the new box. If you want the
>> >> grand
>> >> privilege of moving that content, you need to get the approval of the
>> >> content mafia, sign your life away, and use the tools they give you.
>> >> If
>> >> you want to do it in other ways, you are either a lawbreaker or
>> >> following
>> >> the advice of J Allard. Wait, same thing.
>> >>
>> >> So, in WiMP10, you just backed up your licenses, and stored them in a
>> >> safe
>> >> place. Buying DRM infections gets you a bunch of bits and a promise
>> >> not to
>> >> sue, but really nothing more. The content mafia will do anything in
>> >> its
>> >> power, from buying government to rootkitting you in order to protect
>> >> those
>> >> bits, and backing them up leaves a minor loophole while affording the
>> >> user
>> >> a whole lot of protection.
>> >>
>> >> Guess which one wins, minor loophole or major consumer rights? Yes,
>> >> WiMP11
>> >> will no longer allow you the privilege of backing up your licenses,
>> >> they
>> >> are tied to a single device, and if you lose it, you are really SOL.
>> >> Remember that feeling I mentioned earlier? This is nothing less than a
>> >> civil rights coup, and most people are dumb enough to let it happen.
>> >>
>> >> Read the links, the entire page is scary as hell, but the licensing
>> >> part
>> >> takes the cake. "Windows Media Player 11 does not permit you to back
>> >> up
>> >> your media usage rights (previously known as licenses)", Wow, new
>> >> terminology, old idea, you are a wallet with legs waiting to be raped.
>> >> "The store might limit the number of times that you can restore your
>> >> rights or limit the number of computers on which can use the songs or
>> >> videos that you obtain from them. Some stores do not permit you to
>> >> restore
>> >> media usage rights at all." Translation, not our problem, and get
>> >> bent, we
>> >> got your cash.
>> >>
>> >> But it gets worse. If you rip your own CDs, WiMP11 will take your
>> >> rights
>> >> away too. If the 'Copy protect music' option is turned on, well, I
>> >> can't
>> >> top their 1984 wording. "If the file is a song you ripped from a CD
>> >> with
>> >> the Copy protect music option turned on, you might be able to restore
>> >> your
>> >> usage rights by playing the file. You will be prompted to connect to a
>> >> Microsoft Web page that explains how to restore your rights a limited
>> >> number of times." This says to me it will keep track of your ripping
>> >> externally, and remove your rights whether or not you ask it to. Can
>> >> you
>> >> think of a reason you would need to connect to MS for permission to
>> >> play
>> >> the songs you ripped from you own CDs? How long do you think it will
>> >> be
>> >> before a service pack, masquerading as a 'critical security patch'
>> >> takes
>> >> away the optional part of the 'copy protection'? Now do you understand
>> >> why
>> >> they have been testing the waters on WiMP phoning home? Think their
>> >> firewall will stop it even if you ask?
>> >>
>> >> Then when you go down on the page a bit, it goes on to show that it
>> >> guts
>> >> Tivo capabilities. After three days, it kills your recordings for you,
>> >> how
>> >> thoughtful of them. Going away for a week? Tough, your rights are
>> >> inconvenient to their profits, so they have to go. "Recorded TV shows
>> >> that
>> >> are protected with media usage rights, such as some TV content
>> >> recorded on
>> >> premium channels, will not play back after 3 days when Windows Media
>> >> Player 11 Beta 2 for Windows XP is installed on Windows XP Media
>> >> Center
>> >> Edition 2005. No known workaround to resolve this issue exists at this
>> >> time." Workaround my *ss, this is wholesale rights removal by design.
>> >>
>> >> What WiMP11 represents is one of the biggest thefts of your rights
>> >> that I
>> >> can think of. MS planned this, pushed the various pieces slowly, and
>> >> this
>> >> is the first big hammer to drop. Your rights, the promises they made,
>> >> and
>> >> anything else that gets in the way of the content mafia making yet
>> >> more
>> >> money gets thrown out. Why? Greed. Your rights? History. You were dumb
>> >> enough to let it happen, don't say I didn't warn you.
>> >>
>> >> More:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...e.aspx#1608319
>> >>
>> >> Release Notes for Windows Media Player 11
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>