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Re: Microsoft Media Player shreds your rights
I happen to have some unprotected MP3 files I copied to a CD-R. On XP Pro and
MP 11 I had no problem playing them. On a clean install of Vista RC1 with
MP11 I get Red Circle with X on it on every file on the CD. WTF? These are
unprotected MP3 files I copied from a game disc that are in the public
domain, no less. WTF?
MS doesn't give any helpful message how to resolve the issue, either. It's
like their Genuine Advantage. It did break on my machine. MS did take
ownership of the problem, in their credit. Before it could be resolved,
though, I had done a hard drive wipe, reformat and clean reinstall. I have no
issues now. Except WM 11 won't play MP3 files on Vista that played just fine
with WM 11 on XP Pro.
"Will Schuitman" wrote:
> An additional note to my last post
> "Fab decrypter" and "DVDshrink" work very well on RC1 so at least those who
> backup their DVD's can still do so with RC1
>
> "Will Schuitman" <willsch@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:0BA8889A-4935-44AB-BE90-8EBB6D5B654E@microsoft.com...
> >I always rip my own music to mp3 format and thank god that still all works
> >and any wma files I rip from cd's I always make sure their not protected
> > I have over 800 cd's at home all of which I legally purchased I always buy
> > the latest music
> > I never buy any mp3 songs or wma music files online I guess if I already
> > own the cd's why should I pay for it twice ? seeing I have the right to
> > back them up
> > I was at one stage thinking of buying online music but DRM has totally
> > turned me off that idea and I'm sure many more feel that way. And
> > hopefully force a rethink of this DRM crap
> >
> > "MrCoffee" <MrCoffee@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:19B24C97-5B75-49C8-A2BF-813B028A1A18@microsoft.com...
> >> ya i thought wmp11 was pretty good at first till it started
> >> screwing around with my music files i had ripped from my
> >> cd's so i didn't have to put the cd in to play it.
> >> then it started dropping the artwork and not reading the directory.
> >> pretty soo it was just easier to use my windvd7 and vlc player
> >> instead.
> >>
> >>
> >> "MICHAEL" wrote:
> >>
> >>> I don't give two ****es about Apple- what Microsoft does
> >>> has an impact on 95% of those who use computers.
> >>>
> >>> Of course, the entertainment companies push this
> >>> DRM crap hard. However, Microsoft is really the
> >>> company that developed and created this- it's their
> >>> OS. And, no one forced Microsoft to take the backup
> >>> and restore function out of WMP 11. That is my
> >>> biggest problem with the whole scheme.
> >>>
> >>> I should have a right to make a backup and keep
> >>> it *locally*. With WMP 11, you don't have that right.
> >>> If something mucks up the licenses or your computer-
> >>> you are SOL. I should also have the right to play
> >>> any music I pay for on any computer that I own-
> >>> I'm not talking about those subscription service downloads-
> >>> I mean music I paid for outright. Playing that music
> >>> any place I want, should be as easy as taking a CD
> >>> with you and playing it anywhere you want.
> >>>
> >>> I knew some shill would speak up, just didn't think
> >>> it would take only 7 minutes.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Michael
> >>>
> >>> "Test Man" <testman@test.org> wrote in message
> >>> news:O$aFP1k3GHA.4900@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>> > Only problem is your argument is majorly one-sided, as if Microsoft
> >>> > are the
> >>> > only ones doing it (*coughcoughApplecoughcough!*). Besides, obviously
> >>> > you
> >>> > haven't done your research or you would've known that it's the music
> >>> > companies that are pushing for DRM or they wouldn't allow their
> >>> > artist's
> >>> > songs to be sold online.
> >>> >
> >>> > So if you want to blame anyone, blame the music companies.
> >>> >
> >>> > "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
> >>> > news:ezgQhxk3GHA.2152@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >>> >>I experienced the dark force of WMP 11 very recently.
> >>> >> Much, much money spent on music legally downloaded
> >>> >> from various music sites, mostly MSN Music. On any
> >>> >> machine that you update to WMP 11- you can no longer
> >>> >> backup or restore your licenses for the .wma files you legally
> >>> >> downloaded and paid for. On two of my machines- I learned
> >>> >> a very hard lesson about trying to play music I *paid* for.
> >>> >> Something I never thought I would say- thank you lawd for
> >>> >> a hacker. This "hacker" wrote a program to strip the DRM
> >>> >> crap from "protected" files. Let's see- faced with having to
> >>> >> burn all my paid for .wma files to a CD and then ripping them
> >>> >> back to the computer I want them to play on, or using this fast
> >>> >> little program to rip that nonsense out of the files- hmm.... I
> >>> >> wonder which path I took. I'm talking, literally, over a 1,000
> >>> >> songs I paid for. There is one catch, a good one, to using
> >>> >> this program- you have to have at least one valid license that
> >>> >> matches the .wma file you are trying to rip the DRM protection from.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> My advice- if you are using WinXP, stay away from
> >>> >> WMP 11. Don't look at it, don't download it- pretend
> >>> >> it doesn't exist. You do not need it. Vista users
> >>> >> don't have a choice. So, do not download any media
> >>> >> "protected" by DRM.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I'm sure there will be some shill that comes along and
> >>> >> says this is no big deal. Well, the erosion of usage rights
> >>> >> is a slow and methodical process. They, the media
> >>> >> companies and Microsoft, have been "testing the waters".
> >>> >> It is amazing what folks just sit back and take. I was sort
> >>> >> of like that before DRM pissed me off. Fair use rights are
> >>> >> becoming a thing of the past. The ironic thing, these measures
> >>> >> do absolutely nothing to stop the real pirates. All it did was
> >>> >> piss off this customer who tried to do the "right" thing.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> >> Microsoft Media Player shreds your rights
> >>> >>
> >>> >> By Charlie Demerjian
> >>> >>
> >>> >> THINK DRM WAS bad already? Think I was joking when I said the plan
> >>> >> was to
> >>> >> start with barely tolerable incursions on your rights, then turn the
> >>> >> thumbscrews? Welcome to Windows Media Player 11, and the rights get
> >>> >> chipped away a lot more. Get used to the feeling, if you buy DRM
> >>> >> infected
> >>> >> media, you will only have this happen with increasing rapidity.
> >>> >> One of the problems with WiMP11 is licensing and backing it up. If
> >>> >> you buy
> >>> >> media with DRM infections, you can't move the files from PC to PC, or
> >>> >> at
> >>> >> least you can't and have them play on the new box. If you want the
> >>> >> grand
> >>> >> privilege of moving that content, you need to get the approval of the
> >>> >> content mafia, sign your life away, and use the tools they give you.
> >>> >> If
> >>> >> you want to do it in other ways, you are either a lawbreaker or
> >>> >> following
> >>> >> the advice of J Allard. Wait, same thing.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> So, in WiMP10, you just backed up your licenses, and stored them in a
> >>> >> safe
> >>> >> place. Buying DRM infections gets you a bunch of bits and a promise
> >>> >> not to
> >>> >> sue, but really nothing more. The content mafia will do anything in
> >>> >> its
> >>> >> power, from buying government to rootkitting you in order to protect
> >>> >> those
> >>> >> bits, and backing them up leaves a minor loophole while affording the
> >>> >> user
> >>> >> a whole lot of protection.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Guess which one wins, minor loophole or major consumer rights? Yes,
> >>> >> WiMP11
> >>> >> will no longer allow you the privilege of backing up your licenses,
> >>> >> they
> >>> >> are tied to a single device, and if you lose it, you are really SOL.
> >>> >> Remember that feeling I mentioned earlier? This is nothing less than
> >>> >> a
> >>> >> civil rights coup, and most people are dumb enough to let it happen.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Read the links, the entire page is scary as hell, but the licensing
> >>> >> part
> >>> >> takes the cake. "Windows Media Player 11 does not permit you to back
> >>> >> up
> >>> >> your media usage rights (previously known as licenses)", Wow, new
> >>> >> terminology, old idea, you are a wallet with legs waiting to be
> >>> >> raped.
> >>> >> "The store might limit the number of times that you can restore your
> >>> >> rights or limit the number of computers on which can use the songs or
> >>> >> videos that you obtain from them. Some stores do not permit you to
> >>> >> restore
> >>> >> media usage rights at all." Translation, not our problem, and get
> >>> >> bent, we
> >>> >> got your cash.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> But it gets worse. If you rip your own CDs, WiMP11 will take your
> >>> >> rights
> >>> >> away too. If the 'Copy protect music' option is turned on, well, I
> >>> >> can't
> >>> >> top their 1984 wording. "If the file is a song you ripped from a CD
> >>> >> with
> >>> >> the Copy protect music option turned on, you might be able to restore
> >>> >> your
> >>> >> usage rights by playing the file. You will be prompted to connect to
> >>> >> a
> >>> >> Microsoft Web page that explains how to restore your rights a limited
> >>> >> number of times." This says to me it will keep track of your ripping
> >>> >> externally, and remove your rights whether or not you ask it to. Can
> >>> >> you
> >>> >> think of a reason you would need to connect to MS for permission to
> >>> >> play
> >>> >> the songs you ripped from you own CDs? How long do you think it will
> >>> >> be
> >>> >> before a service pack, masquerading as a 'critical security patch'
> >>> >> takes
> >>> >> away the optional part of the 'copy protection'? Now do you
> >>> >> understand why
> >>> >> they have been testing the waters on WiMP phoning home? Think their
> >>> >> firewall will stop it even if you ask?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Then when you go down on the page a bit, it goes on to show that it
> >>> >> guts
> >>> >> Tivo capabilities. After three days, it kills your recordings for
> >>> >> you, how
> >>> >> thoughtful of them. Going away for a week? Tough, your rights are
> >>> >> inconvenient to their profits, so they have to go. "Recorded TV shows
> >>> >> that
> >>> >> are protected with media usage rights, such as some TV content
> >>> >> recorded on
> >>> >> premium channels, will not play back after 3 days when Windows Media
> >>> >> Player 11 Beta 2 for Windows XP is installed on Windows XP Media
> >>> >> Center
> >>> >> Edition 2005. No known workaround to resolve this issue exists at
> >>> >> this
> >>> >> time." Workaround my *ss, this is wholesale rights removal by design.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> What WiMP11 represents is one of the biggest thefts of your rights
> >>> >> that I
> >>> >> can think of. MS planned this, pushed the various pieces slowly, and
> >>> >> this
> >>> >> is the first big hammer to drop. Your rights, the promises they made,
> >>> >> and
> >>> >> anything else that gets in the way of the content mafia making yet
> >>> >> more
> >>> >> money gets thrown out. Why? Greed. Your rights? History. You were
> >>> >> dumb
> >>> >> enough to let it happen, don't say I didn't warn you.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> More:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...e.aspx#1608319
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Release Notes for Windows Media Player 11
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >
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