it's their bloat and resource usage that irks everyone...that and the fact that their uninstall routines are notoriously horrible for removing Symantec and Norton items...and that's not by accident either. I have found over 85 Symantec objects left on a machine (XP Pro SP2) after the uninstaller has run. You have to use a secondary tool to remove any of those others, it's not readily available to regular users, and that's just unacceptable IMO. And it STILL doesn't remove everything...