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10-10-2008

Are you running Vista or Vista SP1, Dave?

What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What
anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party firewall
(if any)?

Quote:

>> Open the Default Programs applet, which you can access either from
>> the Start menu or via the Control Panel, then click the first item:
>> "Set your default programs."
>> After a few seconds, a list of programs comes up. Click on "Windows
>> Mail". If it doesn't respond with "This program has all its defaults"
>> then fix it by clicking on the option indicated by the first green arrow.

Have you done all of the above (from Gary's reply) yet? If you have but the
changes don't "stick", one or more options/settings in an ever-growing
number of third-party applications may be disallowing the changes. These
include but are not limited to Ad-aware Pro Ad-Watch, Spybot Tea Timer,
SpywareBlaster, SpySweeper, Spyware Doctor, CounterSpy, AVG Anti-Spyware,
Norton AntiVirus, McAfee VirusScan and/or Antispyware, NOD32, and Zone Alarm
(Free, Pro, & Security Suite).

Quote:

> ...when I clicked on a mail link in IE7 I did not get
> Windows Mail, but, rather, Outlook

Is Outlook still installed? Have you recently installed one or more Outlook
Updates?

Microsoft Outlook updates change the default mail handler to Microsoft
Outlook (ignore the reference to Outlook Express)
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#13
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Dave S. wrote:

Quote:

> That is where it was set, in Control Panel > Programs > Default Programs

Quote:

> >

> Set Default Programs. But when I clicked on a mail link in IE7 I did not
> get
> Windows Mail, but, rather, Outlook, the _previous_ default program (from
> installing Office). I had to open Tools > Internet Options > Programs >
> Set
> programs, to get IE7 mail links to use Windows Mail.
>
> In looking back over my posting, I believe I've made the _exact_
> circumstances quite plain. Could it be that readers are keying off
> certain,
> out of context, terms/words/phrases and reacting to them instead of the
> overall scenario... ?
>
> At any rate, it did happen, and exactly as explained. It would also seem
> that there are enough indications from other posts that something is
> amiss...
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" wrote:

Quote:

>> It's not an IE7 issue.
>> There seems to be a common misunderstanding that setting the
>> default email client will also assign all the protocols (such as MailTo)
>> to that client. Regrettably that is *not* the case. Often an extra step
>> is needed:
>> Open the Default Programs applet, which you can access either from
>> the Start menu or via the Control Panel, then click the first item:
>> "Set your default programs."
>> After a few seconds, a list of programs comes up. Click on "Windows
>> Mail". If it doesn't respond with "This program has all its defaults"
>> then fix it by clicking on the option indicated by the first green arrow.
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

Quote:

>>> [Crossposted to Vista Mail newsgroup for broader exposure.]
>>>
>>> What you're seeing (or not seeing) may be caused by UAC, Dave.
>>>
>>> Dave S. wrote:
>>>> I probably didn't explain too well. My point was not that Outlook took
>>>> over as default email client, my point was that setting/resetting the
>>>> default email client in the client itself or via the control panel did
>>>> not get reflected in IE7. IE7 still used whatever the previous default
>>>> client was until the control panel was opened _in_ IE7. For other usage
>>>> the default client was correct. It only seemed to apply to IE7
>>>> displayed
>>>> email links (the so-called "Mail To" protocol).
>>>>
>>>> Clearly this has nothing to do with who "steals" or "appropriates" the
>>>> default status. It has to do with the fact that there seems to be a
>>>> communication breakdown between the system and IE7. Such that resetting
>>>> the system _and_ resetting IE7 seems to be necessary.
>>>>
>>>> To avoid further confusion, "resetting IE7" is the simple act of
>>>> opening
>>>> the Tools > Internet Options > Programs dialog. No action is needed
>>>> there if the control panel or the new default client has already set
>>>> the
>>>> default. It tends to lead me to believe that IE7 has a private cache
>>>> somewhere that is not being refreshed...
>>>>
>>>> I hope this is clearer...
>>>>
>>>> "Don Varnau" wrote:
>>>>> Outlook hijacks the default mail setting and will do again so any time
>>>>> Windows/Microsoft update installs an update for Outlook, such as the
>>>>> junk mail filter.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't use Outlook, uninstall it. If you're using Outlook, you
>>>>> will have to reset the e-mail default occasionally.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dave S." <DaveS@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>> news:A78D9D1B-DBA0-4396-8E25-2BF086EE890A@xxxxxx
>>>>>> Ref: Selection of mail link on web doesn't work with Windows (Vista)
>>>>>> Mail in microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There seems to be a place where the ball is dropped between:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Control Panel\Programs\Default Programs\Set Default Programs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IE7\Tools\Internet Options\Programs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which does not automagically set IE7 from the Control Panel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For example, I had Windows Mail originally set as my default email
>>>>>> program in the Control Panel (installation default). On subsequently
>>>>>> installing a trial for Microsoft Office, Outlook was set as the
>>>>>> default email program. I reset Windows Mail as the default email
>>>>>> program in the Control Panel (which reset the Mail To protocol
>>>>>> default), but on selecting email links in IE7 I still got Microsoft
>>>>>> Outlook (???). I opened Programs in Internet Options in IE7 (making
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> changes) and Windows Mail was listed as the default email program
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> IE7 linked to the Control Panel for settings. I then closed the
>>>>>> Control Panel connection and IE7 Internet Options. Now the email
>>>>>> links
>>>>>> displayed in IE7 opened a Compose dialog in Windows Mail (???).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would seem that installations of potential email handlers for Mail
>>>>>> To protocol do both operations behind the scenes, i.e., setting
>>>>>> Control Panel Default Programs as well as IE7 Internet Options
>>>>>> Programs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think most users would expect (logically) that making settings in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Control Panel would be reflected by all programs that use it for
>>>>>> managing settings (as does IE7 under Vista Ultimate 64-bit).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jmtcw:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft...

10-10-2008	#5 (permalink)
PA Bear [MS MVP] n/a posts	Re: vista ultimate 64-bit default programs and IE7 default email p Are you running Vista or Vista SP1, Dave? What anti-virus application or security suite is installed? What anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)? What third-party firewall (if any)? Quote: Quote: >> Open the Default Programs applet, which you can access either from >> the Start menu or via the Control Panel, then click the first item: >> "Set your default programs." >> After a few seconds, a list of programs comes up. Click on "Windows >> Mail". If it doesn't respond with "This program has all its defaults" >> then fix it by clicking on the option indicated by the first green arrow. Have you done all of the above (from Gary's reply) yet? If you have but the changes don't "stick", one or more options/settings in an ever-growing number of third-party applications may be disallowing the changes. These include but are not limited to Ad-aware Pro Ad-Watch, Spybot Tea Timer, SpywareBlaster, SpySweeper, Spyware Doctor, CounterSpy, AVG Anti-Spyware, Norton AntiVirus, McAfee VirusScan and/or Antispyware, NOD32, and Zone Alarm (Free, Pro, & Security Suite). Quote: > ...when I clicked on a mail link in IE7 I did not get > Windows Mail, but, rather, Outlook Is Outlook still installed? Have you recently installed one or more Outlook Updates? Microsoft Outlook updates change the default mail handler to Microsoft Outlook (ignore the reference to Outlook Express) http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#13 -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ Dave S. wrote: Quote: > That is where it was set, in Control Panel > Programs > Default Programs Quote: > > > Set Default Programs. But when I clicked on a mail link in IE7 I did not > get > Windows Mail, but, rather, Outlook, the _previous_ default program (from > installing Office). I had to open Tools > Internet Options > Programs > > Set > programs, to get IE7 mail links to use Windows Mail. > > In looking back over my posting, I believe I've made the _exact_ > circumstances quite plain. Could it be that readers are keying off > certain, > out of context, terms/words/phrases and reacting to them instead of the > overall scenario... ? > > At any rate, it did happen, and exactly as explained. It would also seem > that there are enough indications from other posts that something is > amiss... > > "Gary VanderMolen" wrote: Quote: >> It's not an IE7 issue. >> There seems to be a common misunderstanding that setting the >> default email client will also assign all the protocols (such as MailTo) >> to that client. Regrettably that is not the case. Often an extra step >> is needed: >> Open the Default Programs applet, which you can access either from >> the Start menu or via the Control Panel, then click the first item: >> "Set your default programs." >> After a few seconds, a list of programs comes up. Click on "Windows >> Mail". If it doesn't respond with "This program has all its defaults" >> then fix it by clicking on the option indicated by the first green arrow. >> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote: Quote: >>> [Crossposted to Vista Mail newsgroup for broader exposure.] >>> >>> What you're seeing (or not seeing) may be caused by UAC, Dave. >>> >>> Dave S. wrote: >>>> I probably didn't explain too well. My point was not that Outlook took >>>> over as default email client, my point was that setting/resetting the >>>> default email client in the client itself or via the control panel did >>>> not get reflected in IE7. IE7 still used whatever the previous default >>>> client was until the control panel was opened _in_ IE7. For other usage >>>> the default client was correct. It only seemed to apply to IE7 >>>> displayed >>>> email links (the so-called "Mail To" protocol). >>>> >>>> Clearly this has nothing to do with who "steals" or "appropriates" the >>>> default status. It has to do with the fact that there seems to be a >>>> communication breakdown between the system and IE7. Such that resetting >>>> the system _and_ resetting IE7 seems to be necessary. >>>> >>>> To avoid further confusion, "resetting IE7" is the simple act of >>>> opening >>>> the Tools > Internet Options > Programs dialog. No action is needed >>>> there if the control panel or the new default client has already set >>>> the >>>> default. It tends to lead me to believe that IE7 has a private cache >>>> somewhere that is not being refreshed... >>>> >>>> I hope this is clearer... >>>> >>>> "Don Varnau" wrote: >>>>> Outlook hijacks the default mail setting and will do again so any time >>>>> Windows/Microsoft update installs an update for Outlook, such as the >>>>> junk mail filter. >>>>> >>>>> If you don't use Outlook, uninstall it. If you're using Outlook, you >>>>> will have to reset the e-mail default occasionally. >>>>> >>>>> "Dave S." <DaveS@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>>>> news:A78D9D1B-DBA0-4396-8E25-2BF086EE890A@xxxxxx >>>>>> Ref: Selection of mail link on web doesn't work with Windows (Vista) >>>>>> Mail in microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general >>>>>> >>>>>> There seems to be a place where the ball is dropped between: >>>>>> >>>>>> Control Panel\Programs\Default Programs\Set Default Programs >>>>>> >>>>>> and: >>>>>> >>>>>> IE7\Tools\Internet Options\Programs >>>>>> >>>>>> which does not automagically set IE7 from the Control Panel. >>>>>> >>>>>> For example, I had Windows Mail originally set as my default email >>>>>> program in the Control Panel (installation default). On subsequently >>>>>> installing a trial for Microsoft Office, Outlook was set as the >>>>>> default email program. I reset Windows Mail as the default email >>>>>> program in the Control Panel (which reset the Mail To protocol >>>>>> default), but on selecting email links in IE7 I still got Microsoft >>>>>> Outlook (???). I opened Programs in Internet Options in IE7 (making >>>>>> no >>>>>> changes) and Windows Mail was listed as the default email program >>>>>> when >>>>>> IE7 linked to the Control Panel for settings. I then closed the >>>>>> Control Panel connection and IE7 Internet Options. Now the email >>>>>> links >>>>>> displayed in IE7 opened a Compose dialog in Windows Mail (???). >>>>>> >>>>>> It would seem that installations of potential email handlers for Mail >>>>>> To protocol do both operations behind the scenes, i.e., setting >>>>>> Control Panel Default Programs as well as IE7 Internet Options >>>>>> Programs. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think most users would expect (logically) that making settings in >>>>>> the >>>>>> Control Panel would be reflected by all programs that use it for >>>>>> managing settings (as does IE7 under Vista Ultimate 64-bit). >>>>>> >>>>>> jmtcw: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft...
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