Jeff

Gene;
Eula or no Eula; if this scenario played out;which I have no intention of
it happening; I better not get ANY grief from MSFT over it;or lost
customer;period.
And;btw; whiteboxes are gaining momentum;even to the point of OEM's
offering them.

Jeff

"Gene Fitz" <GeneFitz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:85F31EB7-0FDE-47FA-AD53-D9E04D54855C@microsoft.com...
> Jeff,
> Not to sound rude about this, but the EULA is layed out pretty bluntly,
> you
> buy the liscense for the computer, not for yourself. That is what makes
> this
> liscense different. it is also the reason they say "only one computer
> change."
> This is what makes the Vista EULA different from the older OS. See? This
> is
> what all the hub bub is about. this is what has people pissed off. I don't
> have a problem with it, but many do.
> In some of the older liscenses, the EULA left an opening that you could
> use
> the program on as many computers as you wanted, as long as you were using
> it
> on one computer at a time.
> The exception to that rule was OEM packaged software that you could only
> use
> on one computer (the computer it came with) which is why later HP,
> Gateway,
> and other computer companies started making the restore function a
> partition
> of the hard drive, or started merging the OS into the "Full Restore" disks
> that would only work on the computer it came with.
> This new EULA states that you are buying the program for the computer,
> which
> changes the ball game. It tells you that you can use it one one computer,
> but
> you can transfer it once. That means you can transfer it to another
> computer
> only one time, than the liscense is only for that computer and you may not
> transfer it again, without buying a new liscense key.
> the issue that people have is "What is a new computer? and What is a
> upgraded old computer"
> the answer is simple, minor upgrades, video, sound, Memory, port changes,
> etc. are seen as upgrades. Major changes, CPU, Mainboard, Hard Drive, they
> may constitute a new computer.
> I mean, lets be realistic. If you load Vista on a P4 HT, with 1 Gig ram, a
> 200 Gig hard drive,16 bit sound card, and a AGP Video card, then update
> to a
> Athlon 64 X2 5000+, with 4 Gigs ram, 2X 750 Gig Hard drives, HD sound and
> a
> PCI Express 7900GT, and put it in the same case as your old computer, is
> it
> still your old computer? Granted, your case and perripherals are the same,
> but it is a new computer with an old case and DVD Rom.
> Now I am sure there will be exceptions to the rule, depending on the
> situation. But I mean fair is fair. Microsoft says, if you get a new
> computer, get a new liscense. I am cool with it.
> Now another point to make, as some of us older computing folks are
> starting
> to understand, as the rest of the public already knows.
> It is easier, and in most cases, cheaper to buy an OEM computer. Now, 80%
> or
> more of the Windows XP programs are sold in OEM packages. Knowing this,
> that
> 80% of consumers will not even have to worry about the EULA stipulation.
> You
> will buy a new computer loaded with vista, that will have either the
> restore
> system or restore disks that will only be able to be used on that computer
> anyway. Microsoft knows that as well, which is why the new EULA will be,
> for
> the most, a transparent change.
>
> People are making Mount Ranier out of a mole hill here..
>
> "Jeff" wrote:
>
>> Gene;
>> Basically,
>> Hardware shouldnt be an issue-at all; if i lease an o.s.-and i switch
>> computers;I'm taking my leased o.s. with me . Not that I intend it;but
>> say I
>> have a hardware fail;buy a new pc;there's #1;if in the course of events;I
>> decide I either don't like that hardware;or switch it for any reason;
>> said
>> o.s. is coming with me;and it better work on #2 period.
>> If MSFT has a problem with that;then they'll lose my business; and
>> I'd
>> dare say;lots of people feel that way.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "Gene Fitz" <GeneFitz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:20C008A3-6C93-4720-BBF1-CA4CDFF7D5FE@microsoft.com...
>> > See, now there is a misconception. If your computer crashes, and
>> > you
>> > have to reload it, it should still activate without issue, and if there
>> > is
>> > a
>> > siutuation where you have to call in activation, that shouldn't be a
>> > problem
>> > either. Look, no one is telling you that you have to be perfect and you
>> > can't
>> > re-load. That is not a problem. You can re-load it on the same computer
>> > as
>> > many times as you see fit.
>> > The difference is that unlike Windows XP, if you change your
>> > computer
>> > (replace the mainboard, hard drive, processor, etc.), you can do that
>> > once
>> > (within reason, of course). Now if you call Microsoft and say "My hard
>> > drive
>> > burnt out on me, and I had to replace it." I am sure they wouldn't have
>> > a
>> > problem giving you another liscense, as long as you aren't calling them
>> > for a
>> > hard drive this week, a mainboard next month and a processor 3 months
>> > from
>> > now. Common sense will prevail. They are even saying that you can buy
>> > yourself a new computer, or build yourself a new computer once and
>> > change
>> > the
>> > liscense over to it. Not that hard to deal with.
>> > The best advice I can say is if you are already running RC1 or RC2,
>> > use
>> > that as your test platform, get all the upgrades you think you will
>> > need.
>> > My
>> > goal is to have 4.5 to 5.0 index before Vista is bought. This way, I
>> > will
>> > not
>> > have to worry about upgrades.
>> > In the coming months I will be buying 2 hard drives, maybe a new
>> > processor (I am already runnign a 64 X2 4600), a new graphics card, and
>> > a
>> > couple more gigs of ram. You have time to do that, you have a few
>> > months
>> > before it hits the shelves. This way, after you load Vista, you won't
>> > have
>> > to
>> > worry about "I need upgrades because I am running too slow." You know
>> > what
>> > your computer needs, you have the ability to "Get Ready!"
>> > Moreover, the RC versions, from what I understand will remain
>> > operational, at least for a little while after the market release, so
>> > you
>> > will have time. Then again, you don't have to be the first person in
>> > line
>> > at
>> > the store to buy Vista either. It may be a good idea to wait until you
>> > know
>> > your computer is ready for Vista before you buy it.
>> > The EULA isn't made to tie our hands, but it does encourage one to
>> > think about things first. It also forces us to do a little planning
>> > before
>> > acting. A couple routes to go. Eitehr upgrade before you install, or
>> > upgrade
>> > after you install, but plan it out and when you do that upgrading, do
>> > it
>> > all
>> > at once, whether you buy the parts at the same time, or buy the parts
>> > over
>> > time and install it all at the same time.
>> >
>> > this shouldn't be an issue. :-)
>> >
>> > "Piet Fourie" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I can understand that Piracy is a problem, but for me, it will also be
>> >> a
>> >> problem to keep on buying new licenses. I am just a normal guy in the
>> >> street, earning an average income. Computer Technology changes all the
>> >> time.
>> >> Anyway, I also try other software and in the process sometimes crashes
>> >> the
>> >> PC, and wants to do it all over..........I simply cannot afford it !
>> >> It
>> >> is
>> >> unreasonable to have such a heavy hand on OS's. After all, I believe
>> >> it
>> >> is
>> >> the smaller guys who also promoted Microsoft Software world wide. I
>> >> will
>> >> never believe that MS is so cash strapped that all these restrictions
>> >> are
>> >> necessary.
>> >>
>> >> "Robert Firth" <webmaster@winvistainfo.org> wrote in message
>> >> news:63515BFD-09A1-4A75-B51D-6013C4B99B7A@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Not only will the legitimate customers be pleased, but the software
>> >> > pirates will as well. Besides, what is so difficult about one
>> >> > license,
>> >> > one
>> >> > computer? If you change everything about your computer except the
>> >> > case,
>> >> > then that is still a new computer. That would be 2 computers, one
>> >> > license.
>> >> > It is pretty simple. If you change the graphics card, well, that is
>> >> > the
>> >> > same computer.
>> >> >
>> >> > Last I checked WGA checks on your hard drive serial number, the
>> >> > motherboard, and bios version, among a few other less important
>> >> > things,
>> >> > weighing changes accordingly.
>> >> >
>> >> > So if you want to transfer your license from one computer to
>> >> > another,
>> >> > you
>> >> > are really trying to put it on many different computers with only
>> >> > one
>> >> > license.
>> >> >
>> >> > We have all discussed the terms of the EULA. However, we don't
>> >> > really
>> >> > know
>> >> > how this is being enforced programmatically yet, nor do we know what
>> >> > Microsoft will do if you call them and tell them that you upgraded
>> >> > your
>> >> > computer and that it failed.
>> >> >
>> >> > A one time transfer doesn't necessarily mean you can only activate
>> >> > it
>> >> > twice, nor does it mean that you can only upgrade your computer
>> >> > once.
>> >> > It
>> >> > simply means you can't move the license from one computer to another
>> >> > more
>> >> > than once. Moving your license from one computer to another is
>> >> > pretty
>> >> > arbitrary, but needs to be defined by Microsoft before we all freak
>> >> > out.
>> >> > It may be that if you call Microsoft and tell them you upgraded your
>> >> > computer, not transfered the license, that they will be able to
>> >> > manually
>> >> > override it for you.
>> >> >
>> >> > The demands from Microsoft aren't all that outragous. Have you seen
>> >> > how
>> >> > many cameras there are in Walmart reporting back and recording your
>> >> > every
>> >> > move? You know that they could use advanced face recognition
>> >> > technology
>> >> > identify you and keep track of your spending habits. Does that mean
>> >> > that
>> >> > they do? No. Likewise, that data Microsoft gathers is INTENTIONALLY
>> >> > handled in such a way that they can't identify you. Of course they
>> >> > have
>> >> > your IP address. So do I. You aren't as anonymous on the internet as
>> >> > you
>> >> > might think.
>> >> >
>> >> > Robert Firth
>> >> > http://www.winvistainfo.org
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "SESSION_EVENT" <session@event.net.net.net> wrote in message
>> >> > news:ubb7Xek9GHA.3348@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> Dear Microsoft Folks:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Take out the transfer only once clause from the Vista EULA and
>> >> >> remove
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> forced WGA N type software from the Vista SOFTWARE and you will
>> >> >> please
>> >> >> millions of hobbiests and enthusiasts.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> They might even get downright chipper. You might reap a greater
>> >> >> success
>> >> >> than if you don't - just because a lot of people will like you for
>> >> >> it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Do that and I will return to recommending Windows - promise,
>> >> >> Scout's
>> >> >> honour.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
>>