RE: Suggestion: Windows Management

I guess he means each window retaining it's default size and probably
position from either when it's first shown, or some hardcoded value, and a
Reset Window Positions in the Taskbar menu that'll, well, reset them

Trivial, but it could turn out to be helpful.

"Ivo Manolov [MS]" wrote:

> Hi Nicolas,
>
> What exactly do you mean by "reset to their defaults"? In other words, what
> are the exact window manager operations that you would like to revert (when
> going back to defaults)?
>
> Thanks:
> Ivo
>
>
> "Nicholas" wrote:
>
> > OK, just hope that all windows in Windows Vista can be reset to their
> > defaults with a click of a button. I'm talking about window size, pane
> > sizes, toolbars, etc. You know in Adobe Creative Suite CS2 where you can
> > click Window > Workspace > Default and everything just restores back to
> > factory defaults, oh that's so desirable... hmm hmm bet they wouldn't even
> > care about my suggestion anyway...
> >
> >
> >

Default positions and sizes have a specific meaning in the case of a MDI
application (like Adobe Creative Suite CS2), while they would be arbitrary in
our case (esp. since quite a few applications call CreateWindow passing
CW_USEDEFAULT for the position and size of the window).

I will, however, send this suggestion to the Shell team, who own the window
management policy and will let you know their response.

"Adahn" wrote:

> I guess he means each window retaining it's default size and probably
> position from either when it's first shown, or some hardcoded value, and a
> Reset Window Positions in the Taskbar menu that'll, well, reset them
>
> Trivial, but it could turn out to be helpful.
>
> "Ivo Manolov [MS]" wrote:
>
> > Hi Nicolas,
> >
> > What exactly do you mean by "reset to their defaults"? In other words, what
> > are the exact window manager operations that you would like to revert (when
> > going back to defaults)?
> >
> > Thanks:
> > Ivo
> >
> >
> > "Nicholas" wrote:
> >
> > > OK, just hope that all windows in Windows Vista can be reset to their
> > > defaults with a click of a button. I'm talking about window size, pane
> > > sizes, toolbars, etc. You know in Adobe Creative Suite CS2 where you can
> > > click Window > Workspace > Default and everything just restores back to
> > > factory defaults, oh that's so desirable... hmm hmm bet they wouldn't even
> > > care about my suggestion anyway...
> > >
> > >
> > >

Nicholas and Adahn,

I talked to the Shell team. Although, we have frozen our feature list for
Windows Vista, they found the suggestion very interesting and will consider
it for future versions of the OS.

Thanks very much for your suggestions and please keep them coming!
Ivo


"Ivo Manolov [MS]" wrote:

> Default positions and sizes have a specific meaning in the case of a MDI
> application (like Adobe Creative Suite CS2), while they would be arbitrary in
> our case (esp. since quite a few applications call CreateWindow passing
> CW_USEDEFAULT for the position and size of the window).
>
> I will, however, send this suggestion to the Shell team, who own the window
> management policy and will let you know their response.
>
> "Adahn" wrote:
>
> > I guess he means each window retaining it's default size and probably
> > position from either when it's first shown, or some hardcoded value, and a
> > Reset Window Positions in the Taskbar menu that'll, well, reset them
> >
> > Trivial, but it could turn out to be helpful.
> >
> > "Ivo Manolov [MS]" wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Nicolas,
> > >
> > > What exactly do you mean by "reset to their defaults"? In other words, what
> > > are the exact window manager operations that you would like to revert (when
> > > going back to defaults)?
> > >
> > > Thanks:
> > > Ivo
> > >
> > >
> > > "Nicholas" wrote:
> > >
> > > > OK, just hope that all windows in Windows Vista can be reset to their
> > > > defaults with a click of a button. I'm talking about window size, pane
> > > > sizes, toolbars, etc. You know in Adobe Creative Suite CS2 where you can
> > > > click Window > Workspace > Default and everything just restores back to
> > > > factory defaults, oh that's so desirable... hmm hmm bet they wouldn't even
> > > > care about my suggestion anyway...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

Haven't checked this newsgroup for a while... So there is someone from MS
who watches this space! I'll take back my words (and sorry) but it was so
true that really no one from the Windows team comes to indicate their
presence and concern. A little communication goes a long way...

Thanks for sending in my suggestion and thanks Adahn for interpreting it
(you got it just right). While I'm here I'll go a little further clarifying
it. I'm not sure what you mean by the specific meaning in terms of MDI
applications such as Adobe and Office, but I do know some applications
always use their default window settings whenever you launch them. Photo
Story 3 is one of them: wherever you move the window position and close it,
when you open it again it'll launch as if it was your first time. But the
same is not quite true for resizable windows. Just open Internet Explorer,
open those "inconsiderate" websites where they forcefully modify the IE
window frame to the size of their choice, and when you close them, the next
time you launch IE, you're left with either a jumbo sized "normal" frame
that simulates a "maximized" frame, or a tiny sized "normal" frame that
simulates a "yes or no" dialog box (especially true for pop-up poll sites).

Sure I can go format my PC and install Windows and apps from scratch to get
IE back to its original state, but I don't have enough hours in the day to
do that. What I do usually to deal with this window madness is to use Task
Manager and "kill" the process, or in case I forgot to, use Registry Editor
and delete those window placement and size values to force the application
to get back to nice-looking defaults. But why the hassle? It's because
default window placement and sizes are in my opinion usually the best
designed and thought-out, or should I say one-size-fits-all. And don't
forget, most programs are written with a cleanly-installed OS with no
customizations made in mind as a starting point.

Right now I can use User Accounts and Shared Computing Toolkit (I think
that's the name) to ensure all my customizations are deleted after use, but
both require me to use a different account where my files are on another.
Hope you'll find my suggestion useful in your context as I certainly find it
to be. It's a nice safety net when kids or guests muck-around my programs
and folders.

OK I'll sum this suggestion up as a simple theory: tidying up my desk after
I've messed it up - to its original state.

P.S. I like personalization (and who doesn't?), but if it comes at a price
of a less efficient system, then I'd rather have everything locked. Don't
you see why your Hi-Fi doesn't slow down in operation after using it for 10
years while your PC slows to a crawl after customizing it and installing a
few games? It's because there's more things in the Registry and hidden
program folders to slow it (more variables) whereas a Hi-Fi is fixed with
the function set so whatever you do with the Hi-Fi, there's no speed
degradation when you use it (no variables). I can go on and on on window
management if you want me to (and I certainly don't mind), but I'll leave it
there just now.

"Ivo Manolov [MS]"
<IvoManolovMS@discussions.microsoft.com>3FD52ADC-6401-46BF-8BBA-CC6C7D502918@microsoft.com...
> Nicholas and Adahn,
>
> I talked to the Shell team. Although, we have frozen our feature list for
> Windows Vista, they found the suggestion very interesting and will
> consider
> it for future versions of the OS.
>
> Thanks very much for your suggestions and please keep them coming!
> Ivo
>
>
> "Ivo Manolov [MS]" wrote:
>
>> Default positions and sizes have a specific meaning in the case of a MDI
>> application (like Adobe Creative Suite CS2), while they would be
>> arbitrary in
>> our case (esp. since quite a few applications call CreateWindow passing
>> CW_USEDEFAULT for the position and size of the window).
>>
>> I will, however, send this suggestion to the Shell team, who own the
>> window
>> management policy and will let you know their response.
>>
>> "Adahn" wrote:
>>
>> > I guess he means each window retaining it's default size and probably
>> > position from either when it's first shown, or some hardcoded value,
>> > and a
>> > Reset Window Positions in the Taskbar menu that'll, well, reset them
>> >
>> > Trivial, but it could turn out to be helpful.
>> >
>> > "Ivo Manolov [MS]" wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Nicolas,
>> > >
>> > > What exactly do you mean by "reset to their defaults"? In other
>> > > words, what
>> > > are the exact window manager operations that you would like to revert
>> > > (when
>> > > going back to defaults)?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks:
>> > > Ivo
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "Nicholas" wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > OK, just hope that all windows in Windows Vista can be reset to
>> > > > their
>> > > > defaults with a click of a button. I'm talking about window size,
>> > > > pane
>> > > > sizes, toolbars, etc. You know in Adobe Creative Suite CS2 where
>> > > > you can
>> > > > click Window > Workspace > Default and everything just restores
>> > > > back to
>> > > > factory defaults, oh that's so desirable... hmm hmm bet they
>> > > > wouldn't even
>> > > > care about my suggestion anyway...
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >

Thanks for your input, Nicholas! It is much appreciated. I monitor this
newsgroup regularly, so please keep the feedback coming!

I see what you mean and I understand that you are willing to bear with (and
perhaps even prefer to have) a non-customizable "known good state" (default
state) to which you can always revert, rather than having to deal with
annoyingly sized windows.

When we originally discussed this with the Shell team, we thought of having
something along the lines of a Save Window Positions / Restore Window
Positions "action�, which would provide ability to customize the “known good
state�. As I mentioned in my previous reply, I contacted the Shell folks, who
explained that it is too late to add any new features to the product (this
sounds like a simple feature, but it can quickly become quite complex once
you start considering saving icon positions, window scroll states, etc.)
However, the Shell team is considering the feature you proposed for the next
revision of the OS and I have sent them your additional post, clarifying your
original idea.

We will soon be releasing the February CTP of the OS, which would give you a
much better idea of the final product we are preparing to ship. We would
appreciate any feedback on the usability of the OS as a whole and on the
usability of the Shell and DWM features in particular.

Thanks:
Ivo


"Nicholas" wrote:

> Haven't checked this newsgroup for a while... So there is someone from MS
> who watches this space! I'll take back my words (and sorry) but it was so
> true that really no one from the Windows team comes to indicate their
> presence and concern. A little communication goes a long way...
>
> Thanks for sending in my suggestion and thanks Adahn for interpreting it
> (you got it just right). While I'm here I'll go a little further clarifying
> it. I'm not sure what you mean by the specific meaning in terms of MDI
> applications such as Adobe and Office, but I do know some applications
> always use their default window settings whenever you launch them. Photo
> Story 3 is one of them: wherever you move the window position and close it,
> when you open it again it'll launch as if it was your first time. But the
> same is not quite true for resizable windows. Just open Internet Explorer,
> open those "inconsiderate" websites where they forcefully modify the IE
> window frame to the size of their choice, and when you close them, the next
> time you launch IE, you're left with either a jumbo sized "normal" frame
> that simulates a "maximized" frame, or a tiny sized "normal" frame that
> simulates a "yes or no" dialog box (especially true for pop-up poll sites).
>
> Sure I can go format my PC and install Windows and apps from scratch to get
> IE back to its original state, but I don't have enough hours in the day to
> do that. What I do usually to deal with this window madness is to use Task
> Manager and "kill" the process, or in case I forgot to, use Registry Editor
> and delete those window placement and size values to force the application
> to get back to nice-looking defaults. But why the hassle? It's because
> default window placement and sizes are in my opinion usually the best
> designed and thought-out, or should I say one-size-fits-all. And don't
> forget, most programs are written with a cleanly-installed OS with no
> customizations made in mind as a starting point.
>
> Right now I can use User Accounts and Shared Computing Toolkit (I think
> that's the name) to ensure all my customizations are deleted after use, but
> both require me to use a different account where my files are on another.
> Hope you'll find my suggestion useful in your context as I certainly find it
> to be. It's a nice safety net when kids or guests muck-around my programs
> and folders.
>
> OK I'll sum this suggestion up as a simple theory: tidying up my desk after
> I've messed it up - to its original state.
>
> P.S. I like personalization (and who doesn't?), but if it comes at a price
> of a less efficient system, then I'd rather have everything locked. Don't
> you see why your Hi-Fi doesn't slow down in operation after using it for 10
> years while your PC slows to a crawl after customizing it and installing a
> few games? It's because there's more things in the Registry and hidden
> program folders to slow it (more variables) whereas a Hi-Fi is fixed with
> the function set so whatever you do with the Hi-Fi, there's no speed
> degradation when you use it (no variables). I can go on and on on window
> management if you want me to (and I certainly don't mind), but I'll leave it
> there just now.
>
> "Ivo Manolov [MS]"
> <IvoManolovMS@discussions.microsoft.com>3FD52ADC-6401-46BF-8BBA-CC6C7D502918@microsoft.com...
> > Nicholas and Adahn,
> >
> > I talked to the Shell team. Although, we have frozen our feature list for
> > Windows Vista, they found the suggestion very interesting and will
> > consider
> > it for future versions of the OS.
> >
> > Thanks very much for your suggestions and please keep them coming!
> > Ivo
> >
> >
> > "Ivo Manolov [MS]" wrote:
> >
> >> Default positions and sizes have a specific meaning in the case of a MDI
> >> application (like Adobe Creative Suite CS2), while they would be
> >> arbitrary in
> >> our case (esp. since quite a few applications call CreateWindow passing
> >> CW_USEDEFAULT for the position and size of the window).
> >>
> >> I will, however, send this suggestion to the Shell team, who own the
> >> window
> >> management policy and will let you know their response.
> >>
> >> "Adahn" wrote:
> >>
> >> > I guess he means each window retaining it's default size and probably
> >> > position from either when it's first shown, or some hardcoded value,
> >> > and a
> >> > Reset Window Positions in the Taskbar menu that'll, well, reset them
> >> >
> >> > Trivial, but it could turn out to be helpful.
> >> >
> >> > "Ivo Manolov [MS]" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi Nicolas,
> >> > >
> >> > > What exactly do you mean by "reset to their defaults"? In other
> >> > > words, what
> >> > > are the exact window manager operations that you would like to revert
> >> > > (when
> >> > > going back to defaults)?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks:
> >> > > Ivo
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > "Nicholas" wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > OK, just hope that all windows in Windows Vista can be reset to
> >> > > > their
> >> > > > defaults with a click of a button. I'm talking about window size,
> >> > > > pane
> >> > > > sizes, toolbars, etc. You know in Adobe Creative Suite CS2 where
> >> > > > you can
> >> > > > click Window > Workspace > Default and everything just restores
> >> > > > back to
> >> > > > factory defaults, oh that's so desirable... hmm hmm bet they
> >> > > > wouldn't even
> >> > > > care about my suggestion anyway...
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
>
>
>

Great and thanks a lot for your help! I'll look forward for Beta 2.

Come to think of it, in terms of Shell usability, I just came up with an
idea to make "pushpins" like in Side Notes in OneNote for most windows. Not
an original idea indeed but I think it would be handy especially on smaller
screens (say <14") and (again) people can go ahead and resize windows and
see toolbars and little of the actual content, or have control on what they
see at any one time.

Good examples would be entering information on a website, from data in an
Excel worksheet. So that would be say, one maximized IE and one "pinned"
normal (not maximized) window of Excel and work together. Hope that helps.

Anyhow keep up the good work!


"Ivo Manolov [MS]" <IvoManolovMS@discussions.microsoft.com>
:B09596A4-BA8F-4970-8429-EEDE1C47F927@microsoft.com...
> Thanks for your input, Nicholas! It is much appreciated. I monitor this
> newsgroup regularly, so please keep the feedback coming!
>
> I see what you mean and I understand that you are willing to bear with
> (and
> perhaps even prefer to have) a non-customizable "known good state"
> (default
> state) to which you can always revert, rather than having to deal with
> annoyingly sized windows.
>
> When we originally discussed this with the Shell team, we thought of
> having
> something along the lines of a Save Window Positions / Restore Window
> Positions "action¡¨, which would provide ability to customize the ¡§known
> good
> state¡¨. As I mentioned in my previous reply, I contacted the Shell folks,
> who
> explained that it is too late to add any new features to the product (this
> sounds like a simple feature, but it can quickly become quite complex once
> you start considering saving icon positions, window scroll states, etc.)
> However, the Shell team is considering the feature you proposed for the
> next
> revision of the OS and I have sent them your additional post, clarifying
> your
> original idea.
>
> We will soon be releasing the February CTP of the OS, which would give you
> a
> much better idea of the final product we are preparing to ship. We would
> appreciate any feedback on the usability of the OS as a whole and on the
> usability of the Shell and DWM features in particular.
>
> Thanks:
> Ivo
>
>
> "Nicholas" wrote:
>
>> Haven't checked this newsgroup for a while... So there is someone from MS
>> who watches this space! I'll take back my words (and sorry) but it was so
>> true that really no one from the Windows team comes to indicate their
>> presence and concern. A little communication goes a long way...
>>
>> Thanks for sending in my suggestion and thanks Adahn for interpreting it
>> (you got it just right). While I'm here I'll go a little further
>> clarifying
>> it. I'm not sure what you mean by the specific meaning in terms of MDI
>> applications such as Adobe and Office, but I do know some applications
>> always use their default window settings whenever you launch them. Photo
>> Story 3 is one of them: wherever you move the window position and close
>> it,
>> when you open it again it'll launch as if it was your first time. But the
>> same is not quite true for resizable windows. Just open Internet
>> Explorer,
>> open those "inconsiderate" websites where they forcefully modify the IE
>> window frame to the size of their choice, and when you close them, the
>> next
>> time you launch IE, you're left with either a jumbo sized "normal" frame
>> that simulates a "maximized" frame, or a tiny sized "normal" frame that
>> simulates a "yes or no" dialog box (especially true for pop-up poll
>> sites).
>>
>> Sure I can go format my PC and install Windows and apps from scratch to
>> get
>> IE back to its original state, but I don't have enough hours in the day
>> to
>> do that. What I do usually to deal with this window madness is to use
>> Task
>> Manager and "kill" the process, or in case I forgot to, use Registry
>> Editor
>> and delete those window placement and size values to force the
>> application
>> to get back to nice-looking defaults. But why the hassle? It's because
>> default window placement and sizes are in my opinion usually the best
>> designed and thought-out, or should I say one-size-fits-all. And don't
>> forget, most programs are written with a cleanly-installed OS with no
>> customizations made in mind as a starting point.
>>
>> Right now I can use User Accounts and Shared Computing Toolkit (I think
>> that's the name) to ensure all my customizations are deleted after use,
>> but
>> both require me to use a different account where my files are on another.
>> Hope you'll find my suggestion useful in your context as I certainly find
>> it
>> to be. It's a nice safety net when kids or guests muck-around my programs
>> and folders.
>>
>> OK I'll sum this suggestion up as a simple theory: tidying up my desk
>> after
>> I've messed it up - to its original state.
>>
>> P.S. I like personalization (and who doesn't?), but if it comes at a
>> price
>> of a less efficient system, then I'd rather have everything locked. Don't
>> you see why your Hi-Fi doesn't slow down in operation after using it for
>> 10
>> years while your PC slows to a crawl after customizing it and installing
>> a
>> few games? It's because there's more things in the Registry and hidden
>> program folders to slow it (more variables) whereas a Hi-Fi is fixed with
>> the function set so whatever you do with the Hi-Fi, there's no speed
>> degradation when you use it (no variables). I can go on and on on window
>> management if you want me to (and I certainly don't mind), but I'll leave
>> it
>> there just now.
>>
>> "Ivo Manolov [MS]"
>> <IvoManolovMS@discussions.microsoft.com>3FD52ADC-6401-46BF-8BBA-CC6C7D502918@microsoft.com...
>> > Nicholas and Adahn,
>> >
>> > I talked to the Shell team. Although, we have frozen our feature list
>> > for
>> > Windows Vista, they found the suggestion very interesting and will
>> > consider
>> > it for future versions of the OS.
>> >
>> > Thanks very much for your suggestions and please keep them coming!
>> > Ivo
>> >
>> >
>> > "Ivo Manolov [MS]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Default positions and sizes have a specific meaning in the case of a
>> >> MDI
>> >> application (like Adobe Creative Suite CS2), while they would be
>> >> arbitrary in
>> >> our case (esp. since quite a few applications call CreateWindow
>> >> passing
>> >> CW_USEDEFAULT for the position and size of the window).
>> >>
>> >> I will, however, send this suggestion to the Shell team, who own the
>> >> window
>> >> management policy and will let you know their response.
>> >>
>> >> "Adahn" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I guess he means each window retaining it's default size and
>> >> > probably
>> >> > position from either when it's first shown, or some hardcoded value,
>> >> > and a
>> >> > Reset Window Positions in the Taskbar menu that'll, well, reset them
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Trivial, but it could turn out to be helpful.
>> >> >
>> >> > "Ivo Manolov [MS]" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Hi Nicolas,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > What exactly do you mean by "reset to their defaults"? In other
>> >> > > words, what
>> >> > > are the exact window manager operations that you would like to
>> >> > > revert
>> >> > > (when
>> >> > > going back to defaults)?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thanks:
>> >> > > Ivo
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "Nicholas" wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > OK, just hope that all windows in Windows Vista can be reset to
>> >> > > > their
>> >> > > > defaults with a click of a button. I'm talking about window
>> >> > > > size,
>> >> > > > pane
>> >> > > > sizes, toolbars, etc. You know in Adobe Creative Suite CS2 where
>> >> > > > you can
>> >> > > > click Window > Workspace > Default and everything just restores
>> >> > > > back to
>> >> > > > factory defaults, oh that's so desirable... hmm hmm bet they
>> >> > > > wouldn't even
>> >> > > > care about my suggestion anyway...
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>>
>>
>>

Great idea -- thanks!
I have sent it to the Shell folks for consideration in v.next

Ivo


"Nicholas" wrote:

> Great and thanks a lot for your help! I'll look forward for Beta 2.
>
> Come to think of it, in terms of Shell usability, I just came up with an
> idea to make "pushpins" like in Side Notes in OneNote for most windows. Not
> an original idea indeed but I think it would be handy especially on smaller
> screens (say <14") and (again) people can go ahead and resize windows and
> see toolbars and little of the actual content, or have control on what they
> see at any one time.
>
> Good examples would be entering information on a website, from data in an
> Excel worksheet. So that would be say, one maximized IE and one "pinned"
> normal (not maximized) window of Excel and work together. Hope that helps.
>
> Anyhow keep up the good work!
>
>
> "Ivo Manolov [MS]" <IvoManolovMS@discussions.microsoft.com>
> :B09596A4-BA8F-4970-8429-EEDE1C47F927@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks for your input, Nicholas! It is much appreciated. I monitor this
> > newsgroup regularly, so please keep the feedback coming!
> >
> > I see what you mean and I understand that you are willing to bear with
> > (and
> > perhaps even prefer to have) a non-customizable "known good state"
> > (default
> > state) to which you can always revert, rather than having to deal with
> > annoyingly sized windows.
> >
> > When we originally discussed this with the Shell team, we thought of
> > having
> > something along the lines of a Save Window Positions / Restore Window
> > Positions "action¡¨, which would provide ability to customize the ¡§known
> > good
> > state¡¨. As I mentioned in my previous reply, I contacted the Shell folks,
> > who
> > explained that it is too late to add any new features to the product (this
> > sounds like a simple feature, but it can quickly become quite complex once
> > you start considering saving icon positions, window scroll states, etc.)
> > However, the Shell team is considering the feature you proposed for the
> > next
> > revision of the OS and I have sent them your additional post, clarifying
> > your
> > original idea.
> >
> > We will soon be releasing the February CTP of the OS, which would give you
> > a
> > much better idea of the final product we are preparing to ship. We would
> > appreciate any feedback on the usability of the OS as a whole and on the
> > usability of the Shell and DWM features in particular.
> >
> > Thanks:
> > Ivo
> >
> >
> > "Nicholas" wrote:
> >
> >> Haven't checked this newsgroup for a while... So there is someone from MS
> >> who watches this space! I'll take back my words (and sorry) but it was so
> >> true that really no one from the Windows team comes to indicate their
> >> presence and concern. A little communication goes a long way...
> >>
> >> Thanks for sending in my suggestion and thanks Adahn for interpreting it
> >> (you got it just right). While I'm here I'll go a little further
> >> clarifying
> >> it. I'm not sure what you mean by the specific meaning in terms of MDI
> >> applications such as Adobe and Office, but I do know some applications
> >> always use their default window settings whenever you launch them. Photo
> >> Story 3 is one of them: wherever you move the window position and close
> >> it,
> >> when you open it again it'll launch as if it was your first time. But the
> >> same is not quite true for resizable windows. Just open Internet
> >> Explorer,
> >> open those "inconsiderate" websites where they forcefully modify the IE
> >> window frame to the size of their choice, and when you close them, the
> >> next
> >> time you launch IE, you're left with either a jumbo sized "normal" frame
> >> that simulates a "maximized" frame, or a tiny sized "normal" frame that
> >> simulates a "yes or no" dialog box (especially true for pop-up poll
> >> sites).
> >>
> >> Sure I can go format my PC and install Windows and apps from scratch to
> >> get
> >> IE back to its original state, but I don't have enough hours in the day
> >> to
> >> do that. What I do usually to deal with this window madness is to use
> >> Task
> >> Manager and "kill" the process, or in case I forgot to, use Registry
> >> Editor
> >> and delete those window placement and size values to force the
> >> application
> >> to get back to nice-looking defaults. But why the hassle? It's because
> >> default window placement and sizes are in my opinion usually the best
> >> designed and thought-out, or should I say one-size-fits-all. And don't
> >> forget, most programs are written with a cleanly-installed OS with no
> >> customizations made in mind as a starting point.
> >>
> >> Right now I can use User Accounts and Shared Computing Toolkit (I think
> >> that's the name) to ensure all my customizations are deleted after use,
> >> but
> >> both require me to use a different account where my files are on another.
> >> Hope you'll find my suggestion useful in your context as I certainly find
> >> it
> >> to be. It's a nice safety net when kids or guests muck-around my programs
> >> and folders.
> >>
> >> OK I'll sum this suggestion up as a simple theory: tidying up my desk
> >> after
> >> I've messed it up - to its original state.
> >>
> >> P.S. I like personalization (and who doesn't?), but if it comes at a
> >> price
> >> of a less efficient system, then I'd rather have everything locked. Don't
> >> you see why your Hi-Fi doesn't slow down in operation after using it for
> >> 10
> >> years while your PC slows to a crawl after customizing it and installing
> >> a
> >> few games? It's because there's more things in the Registry and hidden
> >> program folders to slow it (more variables) whereas a Hi-Fi is fixed with
> >> the function set so whatever you do with the Hi-Fi, there's no speed
> >> degradation when you use it (no variables). I can go on and on on window
> >> management if you want me to (and I certainly don't mind), but I'll leave
> >> it
> >> there just now.
> >>
> >> "Ivo Manolov [MS]"
> >> <IvoManolovMS@discussions.microsoft.com>3FD52ADC-6401-46BF-8BBA-CC6C7D502918@microsoft.com...
> >> > Nicholas and Adahn,
> >> >
> >> > I talked to the Shell team. Although, we have frozen our feature list
> >> > for
> >> > Windows Vista, they found the suggestion very interesting and will
> >> > consider
> >> > it for future versions of the OS.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks very much for your suggestions and please keep them coming!
> >> > Ivo
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Ivo Manolov [MS]" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Default positions and sizes have a specific meaning in the case of a
> >> >> MDI
> >> >> application (like Adobe Creative Suite CS2), while they would be
> >> >> arbitrary in
> >> >> our case (esp. since quite a few applications call CreateWindow
> >> >> passing
> >> >> CW_USEDEFAULT for the position and size of the window).
> >> >>
> >> >> I will, however, send this suggestion to the Shell team, who own the
> >> >> window
> >> >> management policy and will let you know their response.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Adahn" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I guess he means each window retaining it's default size and
> >> >> > probably
> >> >> > position from either when it's first shown, or some hardcoded value,
> >> >> > and a
> >> >> > Reset Window Positions in the Taskbar menu that'll, well, reset them
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Trivial, but it could turn out to be helpful.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Ivo Manolov [MS]" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > Hi Nicolas,
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > What exactly do you mean by "reset to their defaults"? In other
> >> >> > > words, what
> >> >> > > are the exact window manager operations that you would like to
> >> >> > > revert
> >> >> > > (when
> >> >> > > going back to defaults)?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Thanks:
> >> >> > > Ivo
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > "Nicholas" wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > OK, just hope that all windows in Windows Vista can be reset to
> >> >> > > > their
> >> >> > > > defaults with a click of a button. I'm talking about window
> >> >> > > > size,
> >> >> > > > pane
> >> >> > > > sizes, toolbars, etc. You know in Adobe Creative Suite CS2 where
> >> >> > > > you can
> >> >> > > > click Window > Workspace > Default and everything just restores
> >> >> > > > back to
> >> >> > > > factory defaults, oh that's so desirable... hmm hmm bet they
> >> >> > > > wouldn't even
> >> >> > > > care about my suggestion anyway...
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >>
> >>
> >>
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