Haven't checked this newsgroup for a while... So there is someone from MS
who watches this space! I'll take back my words (and sorry) but it was so
true that really no one from the Windows team comes to indicate their
presence and concern. A little communication goes a long way...
Thanks for sending in my suggestion and thanks Adahn for interpreting it
(you got it just right). While I'm here I'll go a little further clarifying
it. I'm not sure what you mean by the specific meaning in terms of MDI
applications such as Adobe and Office, but I do know some applications
always use their default window settings whenever you launch them. Photo
Story 3 is one of them: wherever you move the window position and close it,
when you open it again it'll launch as if it was your first time. But the
same is not quite true for resizable windows. Just open Internet Explorer,
open those "inconsiderate" websites where they forcefully modify the IE
window frame to the size of their choice, and when you close them, the next
time you launch IE, you're left with either a jumbo sized "normal" frame
that simulates a "maximized" frame, or a tiny sized "normal" frame that
simulates a "yes or no" dialog box (especially true for pop-up poll sites).
Sure I can go format my PC and install Windows and apps from scratch to get
IE back to its original state, but I don't have enough hours in the day to
do that. What I do usually to deal with this window madness is to use Task
Manager and "kill" the process, or in case I forgot to, use Registry Editor
and delete those window placement and size values to force the application
to get back to nice-looking defaults. But why the hassle? It's because
default window placement and sizes are in my opinion usually the best
designed and thought-out, or should I say one-size-fits-all. And don't
forget, most programs are written with a cleanly-installed OS with no
customizations made in mind as a starting point.
Right now I can use User Accounts and Shared Computing Toolkit (I think
that's the name) to ensure all my customizations are deleted after use, but
both require me to use a different account where my files are on another.
Hope you'll find my suggestion useful in your context as I certainly find it
to be. It's a nice safety net when kids or guests muck-around my programs
and folders.
OK I'll sum this suggestion up as a simple theory: tidying up my desk after
I've messed it up - to its original state.
P.S. I like personalization (and who doesn't?), but if it comes at a price
of a less efficient system, then I'd rather have everything locked. Don't
you see why your Hi-Fi doesn't slow down in operation after using it for 10
years while your PC slows to a crawl after customizing it and installing a
few games? It's because there's more things in the Registry and hidden
program folders to slow it (more variables) whereas a Hi-Fi is fixed with
the function set so whatever you do with the Hi-Fi, there's no speed
degradation when you use it (no variables). I can go on and on on window
management if you want me to (and I certainly don't mind), but I'll leave it
there just now.
"Ivo Manolov [MS]"
<IvoManolovMS@discussions.microsoft.com>3FD52ADC-6401-46BF-8BBA-CC6C7D502918@microsoft.com...
> Nicholas and Adahn,
>
> I talked to the Shell team. Although, we have frozen our feature list for
> Windows Vista, they found the suggestion very interesting and will
> consider
> it for future versions of the OS.
>
> Thanks very much for your suggestions and please keep them coming!
> Ivo
>
>
> "Ivo Manolov [MS]" wrote:
>
>> Default positions and sizes have a specific meaning in the case of a MDI
>> application (like Adobe Creative Suite CS2), while they would be
>> arbitrary in
>> our case (esp. since quite a few applications call CreateWindow passing
>> CW_USEDEFAULT for the position and size of the window).
>>
>> I will, however, send this suggestion to the Shell team, who own the
>> window
>> management policy and will let you know their response.
>>
>> "Adahn" wrote:
>>
>> > I guess he means each window retaining it's default size and probably
>> > position from either when it's first shown, or some hardcoded value,
>> > and a
>> > Reset Window Positions in the Taskbar menu that'll, well, reset them 
>> >
>> > Trivial, but it could turn out to be helpful.
>> >
>> > "Ivo Manolov [MS]" wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Nicolas,
>> > >
>> > > What exactly do you mean by "reset to their defaults"? In other
>> > > words, what
>> > > are the exact window manager operations that you would like to revert
>> > > (when
>> > > going back to defaults)?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks:
>> > > Ivo
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "Nicholas" wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > OK, just hope that all windows in Windows Vista can be reset to
>> > > > their
>> > > > defaults with a click of a button. I'm talking about window size,
>> > > > pane
>> > > > sizes, toolbars, etc. You know in Adobe Creative Suite CS2 where
>> > > > you can
>> > > > click Window > Workspace > Default and everything just restores
>> > > > back to
>> > > > factory defaults, oh that's so desirable... hmm hmm bet they
>> > > > wouldn't even
>> > > > care about my suggestion anyway...
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >