RE: XAML Visual Designer

Have you tried Expression Interactive Designer? There's also a community on
this site for it.
You can get EID from
http://www.microsoft.com/products/ex...ree_trial.aspx.

--JMF

"-Adam.D" wrote:

> Will Avalon have a Visual Designer (like the one for Windows Forms)??
>
> I know that Mobiform Aurora is an external XAML designer that will
> accomplish the task, but will there be [an internal] one included with Avalon?
>
>
> -Adam.D

Adam,

Yes it is going to be and at the moment it goes by code name Cider. The
early previrew of cider is going to be available in the October CTP of
Fidalgo. Fidalgo is yet another code name for set of WPF templates + Cider
that can be installed in VS2005. October CTP is going to be the last CTP
where Cider is released as add-on to VS2005 the next release will be in the
VS Orcas beta (or CTP).

According to
http://blogs.msdn.com/jgalasyn/archi...f-fidalgo.aspx
Fidalgo CTP will be available when Windows Vista RTM goes out. The Vista RTM
is scheduled for 17th of November, which is this Friday.

In addition to Visual Studio Cider, Microsoft are going to release a
separate product as part of the Microsoft Expression family - Microsoft
Interactive Designer, which is a tool for interactivly creating UI for WPF
application. This application mostly targets the needs of graphic designers,
but it may come in handy for software developers too.


--
HTH
Stoitcho Goutsev (100)

"Janet Fisher" <JanetFisher@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BEBE8717-59F4-4013-B39F-7EC58039A918@microsoft.com...
> Have you tried Expression Interactive Designer? There's also a community
> on
> this site for it.
> You can get EID from
> http://www.microsoft.com/products/ex...ree_trial.aspx.
>
> --JMF
>
> "-Adam.D" wrote:
>
>> Will Avalon have a Visual Designer (like the one for Windows Forms)??
>>
>> I know that Mobiform Aurora is an external XAML designer that will
>> accomplish the task, but will there be [an internal] one included with
>> Avalon?
>>
>>
>> -Adam.D

Adam,

Yes it is going to be and at the moment it goes by code name Cider. The
early previrew of cider is going to be available in the October CTP of
Fidalgo. Fidalgo is yet another code name for set of WPF templates + Cider
that can be installed in VS2005. October CTP is going to be the last CTP
where Cider is released as add-on to VS2005 the next release will be in the
VS Orcas beta (or CTP).

According to
http://blogs.msdn.com/jgalasyn/archi...f-fidalgo.aspx
Fidalgo CTP will be available when Windows Vista RTM goes out. The Vista RTM
is scheduled for 17th of November, which is this Friday.

In addition to Visual Studio Cider, Microsoft are going to release a
separate product as part of the Microsoft Expression family - Microsoft
Interactive Designer, which is a tool for interactivly creating UI for WPF
application. This application mostly targets the needs of graphic designers,
but it may come in handy for software developers too.


--
HTH
Stoitcho Goutsev (100)

"Janet Fisher" <JanetFisher@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BEBE8717-59F4-4013-B39F-7EC58039A918@microsoft.com...
> Have you tried Expression Interactive Designer? There's also a community
> on
> this site for it.
> You can get EID from
> http://www.microsoft.com/products/ex...ree_trial.aspx.
>
> --JMF
>
> "-Adam.D" wrote:
>
>> Will Avalon have a Visual Designer (like the one for Windows Forms)??
>>
>> I know that Mobiform Aurora is an external XAML designer that will
>> accomplish the task, but will there be [an internal] one included with
>> Avalon?
>>
>>
>> -Adam.D

Hi,

Stoitcho Goutsev (100) wrote:
> Adam,
>
> Yes it is going to be and at the moment it goes by code name Cider. The
> early previrew of cider is going to be available in the October CTP of
> Fidalgo. Fidalgo is yet another code name for set of WPF templates + Cider
> that can be installed in VS2005. October CTP is going to be the last CTP
> where Cider is released as add-on to VS2005 the next release will be in the
> VS Orcas beta (or CTP).

Why "is going"? ;-) The November CTP (which is the Final for the Visual
Studio 2005 extensions) were already released last week, and Cider CTP
has been available for quite some time before that (just right-click on
a XAML file and choose "Open with / Cider".

The November CTP of Fidalgo is also matching the released version of
..NET 3.0, also released last week.

See here for download links:
http://scorbs.com/2006/11/07/net-fra...ipped-kickass/

>
> According to
> http://blogs.msdn.com/jgalasyn/archi...f-fidalgo.aspx
> Fidalgo CTP will be available when Windows Vista RTM goes out. The Vista RTM
> is scheduled for 17th of November, which is this Friday.
> In addition to Visual Studio Cider, Microsoft are going to release a
> separate product as part of the Microsoft Expression family - Microsoft
> Interactive Designer, which is a tool for interactivly creating UI for WPF
> application. This application mostly targets the needs of graphic designers,
> but it may come in handy for software developers too.

And that's also available as CTP for quite some time too
http://www.microsoft.com/products/ex...ree_trial.aspx

HTH,
Laurent
--
Laurent Bugnion, GalaSoft
Software engineering: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch
Private/Malaysia: http://mypage.bluewin.ch/lbugnion
Support children in Calcutta: http://www.calcutta-espoir.ch

Hi,

Stoitcho Goutsev (100) wrote:
> Adam,
>
> Yes it is going to be and at the moment it goes by code name Cider. The
> early previrew of cider is going to be available in the October CTP of
> Fidalgo. Fidalgo is yet another code name for set of WPF templates + Cider
> that can be installed in VS2005. October CTP is going to be the last CTP
> where Cider is released as add-on to VS2005 the next release will be in the
> VS Orcas beta (or CTP).

Why "is going"? ;-) The November CTP (which is the Final for the Visual
Studio 2005 extensions) were already released last week, and Cider CTP
has been available for quite some time before that (just right-click on
a XAML file and choose "Open with / Cider".

The November CTP of Fidalgo is also matching the released version of
..NET 3.0, also released last week.

See here for download links:
http://scorbs.com/2006/11/07/net-fra...ipped-kickass/

>
> According to
> http://blogs.msdn.com/jgalasyn/archi...f-fidalgo.aspx
> Fidalgo CTP will be available when Windows Vista RTM goes out. The Vista RTM
> is scheduled for 17th of November, which is this Friday.
> In addition to Visual Studio Cider, Microsoft are going to release a
> separate product as part of the Microsoft Expression family - Microsoft
> Interactive Designer, which is a tool for interactivly creating UI for WPF
> application. This application mostly targets the needs of graphic designers,
> but it may come in handy for software developers too.

And that's also available as CTP for quite some time too
http://www.microsoft.com/products/ex...ree_trial.aspx

HTH,
Laurent
--
Laurent Bugnion, GalaSoft
Software engineering: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch
Private/Malaysia: http://mypage.bluewin.ch/lbugnion
Support children in Calcutta: http://www.calcutta-espoir.ch

Laurent,

Yes you are right. My information was based on the blog I posted and didn't
actually know that it has been released already.

Thanks for the clarification

--
Stoitcho Goutsev (100)

"Laurent Bugnion" <galasoft-lb@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
news:OIT1DdACHHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> Stoitcho Goutsev (100) wrote:
>> Adam,
>>
>> Yes it is going to be and at the moment it goes by code name Cider. The
>> early previrew of cider is going to be available in the October CTP of
>> Fidalgo. Fidalgo is yet another code name for set of WPF templates +
>> Cider that can be installed in VS2005. October CTP is going to be the
>> last CTP where Cider is released as add-on to VS2005 the next release
>> will be in the VS Orcas beta (or CTP).
>
> Why "is going"? ;-) The November CTP (which is the Final for the Visual
> Studio 2005 extensions) were already released last week, and Cider CTP has
> been available for quite some time before that (just right-click on a XAML
> file and choose "Open with / Cider".
>
> The November CTP of Fidalgo is also matching the released version of .NET
> 3.0, also released last week.
>
> See here for download links:
> http://scorbs.com/2006/11/07/net-fra...ipped-kickass/
>
>>
>> According to
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/jgalasyn/archi...f-fidalgo.aspx
>> Fidalgo CTP will be available when Windows Vista RTM goes out. The Vista
>> RTM is scheduled for 17th of November, which is this Friday.
>> In addition to Visual Studio Cider, Microsoft are going to release a
>> separate product as part of the Microsoft Expression family - Microsoft
>> Interactive Designer, which is a tool for interactivly creating UI for
>> WPF application. This application mostly targets the needs of graphic
>> designers, but it may come in handy for software developers too.
>
> And that's also available as CTP for quite some time too
> http://www.microsoft.com/products/ex...ree_trial.aspx
>
> HTH,
> Laurent
> --
> Laurent Bugnion, GalaSoft
> Software engineering: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch
> Private/Malaysia: http://mypage.bluewin.ch/lbugnion
> Support children in Calcutta: http://www.calcutta-espoir.ch

Laurent,

Yes you are right. My information was based on the blog I posted and didn't
actually know that it has been released already.

Thanks for the clarification

--
Stoitcho Goutsev (100)

"Laurent Bugnion" <galasoft-lb@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
news:OIT1DdACHHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> Stoitcho Goutsev (100) wrote:
>> Adam,
>>
>> Yes it is going to be and at the moment it goes by code name Cider. The
>> early previrew of cider is going to be available in the October CTP of
>> Fidalgo. Fidalgo is yet another code name for set of WPF templates +
>> Cider that can be installed in VS2005. October CTP is going to be the
>> last CTP where Cider is released as add-on to VS2005 the next release
>> will be in the VS Orcas beta (or CTP).
>
> Why "is going"? ;-) The November CTP (which is the Final for the Visual
> Studio 2005 extensions) were already released last week, and Cider CTP has
> been available for quite some time before that (just right-click on a XAML
> file and choose "Open with / Cider".
>
> The November CTP of Fidalgo is also matching the released version of .NET
> 3.0, also released last week.
>
> See here for download links:
> http://scorbs.com/2006/11/07/net-fra...ipped-kickass/
>
>>
>> According to
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/jgalasyn/archi...f-fidalgo.aspx
>> Fidalgo CTP will be available when Windows Vista RTM goes out. The Vista
>> RTM is scheduled for 17th of November, which is this Friday.
>> In addition to Visual Studio Cider, Microsoft are going to release a
>> separate product as part of the Microsoft Expression family - Microsoft
>> Interactive Designer, which is a tool for interactivly creating UI for
>> WPF application. This application mostly targets the needs of graphic
>> designers, but it may come in handy for software developers too.
>
> And that's also available as CTP for quite some time too
> http://www.microsoft.com/products/ex...ree_trial.aspx
>
> HTH,
> Laurent
> --
> Laurent Bugnion, GalaSoft
> Software engineering: http://www.galasoft-LB.ch
> Private/Malaysia: http://mypage.bluewin.ch/lbugnion
> Support children in Calcutta: http://www.calcutta-espoir.ch