Vista - Re: WPF not installed by default in Vista?

I haven't seen one credible posting that says WinFX won't be pre-installed on
Vista, infact I've only heard the opposite.

I also don't believe that Vista internally makes use of WinFX for
animation/etc., it seems unlikely that their flagship OS would make extensive
use of a product still in development.

If you would like to catch up on some reading, feel free to take a look at
these blog posts...

http://blogs.msdn.com/tims/archive/2...18/514615.aspx
(just go from there, Tim has a listing of a ton of other blogs all with
pertinent info)

....can't immediately find the others, but I wouldn't be too worried about
it, as the latest drop of Vista works great with WinFX, and to add/remove it
you have to use the Add/Remove Windows Components instead of the normal
add/remove programs.

....not sure about the non-reply location...ie7 ftw....

Just to clarify a bit, what I meant by that, is that from what i've heard,
it will be similar to the .NET framework, and IIS, meaning it's an option, I
think it shouldn't be, but I think forces of communism will make it that way.

Only real problem is that the Vista install process is so damned simplistic
that it wouldn't make sense to stick it in there...

"Darius R" wrote:

> I haven't seen one credible posting that says WinFX won't be pre-installed on
> Vista, infact I've only heard the opposite.
>
> I also don't believe that Vista internally makes use of WinFX for
> animation/etc., it seems unlikely that their flagship OS would make extensive
> use of a product still in development.
>
> If you would like to catch up on some reading, feel free to take a look at
> these blog posts...
>
> http://blogs.msdn.com/tims/archive/2...18/514615.aspx
> (just go from there, Tim has a listing of a ton of other blogs all with
> pertinent info)
>
> ...can't immediately find the others, but I wouldn't be too worried about
> it, as the latest drop of Vista works great with WinFX, and to add/remove it
> you have to use the Add/Remove Windows Components instead of the normal
> add/remove programs.
>

When I was up at MS last week the people I spoke with at MS (WPF Ink) said
that WPF was currently slated to be an optional component, not installed by
default, but they were still hoping to get it installed. Apparently part of
the issue is that WCF is installed at the same time as WPF and has a much
larger security surface than WPF.

The WPF like effects from Vista are to my knowledge and from comments made
last week done using PresentationCore.dll directly. They go in directly to
the native code rather than going through the managed code parts. I do not
believe those interfaces are being made public however.

Michael
Microsoft MVP (C# / WPF)


"Darius R" <DariusR@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>I haven't seen one credible posting that says WinFX won't be pre-installed
>on
> Vista, infact I've only heard the opposite.
>
> I also don't believe that Vista internally makes use of WinFX for
> animation/etc., it seems unlikely that their flagship OS would make
> extensive
> use of a product still in development.
>
> If you would like to catch up on some reading, feel free to take a look at
> these blog posts...
>
> http://blogs.msdn.com/tims/archive/2...18/514615.aspx
> (just go from there, Tim has a listing of a ton of other blogs all with
> pertinent info)
>
> ...can't immediately find the others, but I wouldn't be too worried about
> it, as the latest drop of Vista works great with WinFX, and to add/remove
> it
> you have to use the Add/Remove Windows Components instead of the normal
> add/remove programs.
>

My understanding is that the PresentationCore API is far lower level than
WPF. The WPF architecture has all the styling, templates, controls, etc in
managed code. At the lowest level the visuals are converted to render
objects that are thrown over the wall to the render thread. I believe (but
do not know for sure) that the PresentationCore API is at this lower level
render object level, more like DirectX than WPF. I do not know if it is
retained or immediate mode.

Michael


"Dominic Willems" <Nospam@nospam.tv> wrote in message
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> Michael Latta wrote:
>> I do not believe those interfaces are being made public
>> however.
>
> That would imply making WPF available for Win32 programmers. I wouldn't
> protest.
>