Vista - Open Source and XAML

Interesting interview with Miguel de Icaza cofounder of gnome, ximian and
mono. The bottom of the article he talks about the biggest risk to the open
source community and XAML

Regards,

Ron DeSerranno
Mobiform Software Ltd.
http://www.mobiform.com

Download the Aurora XAML Designer Now!
http://www.mobiform.com/Eng/aurora.html


- The Article -

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/20..._and_mono.html


Q. What do you see as the greatest danger to the continuing adoption and
progress of open source?

A. Microsoft realizes today that Linux is competing for some of the green
pastures that it's been enjoying for so long; I think that Longhorn is a big
attempt to take back what they owned before. Longhorn has kind of a scary
technology called Avalon, which when compounded with another technology
called XAML, it's fairly dangerous. And the reason is that they've made it so
it's basically an HTML replacement. The advantage is it's probably as easy as
writing HTML, so that means that anybody can produce this content with a text
editor.

It's basically an HTML Next Generation. A lot more widgets, a lot more
flexibility, more richer experience - way, way richer experience. You get
basically the native client experience with Web- like deployments. So you
develop these extremely rich applications but they can be deployed as easily
as the Web is. It's just like going to a URL: you go to Google, and you get
the Web page and it works. So it's the same deployment model but the user
interface interaction is just fantastic.

Of course, the only drawback is that this new interaction is completely tied
to .Net and WinFX. So we see that as a very big danger. A lot of people today
cannot migrate to Linux or cannot migrate to Mozilla because a lot of their
internal Web sites happen to use IE extensions. Now imagine a world where you
can only use XAML.

It's massive - I'm so scared

So let the new battle begin! ;-)




Ron DeSerranno [Mobiform] wrote:
> Interesting interview with Miguel de Icaza cofounder of gnome, ximian and
> mono. The bottom of the article he talks about the biggest risk to the open
> source community and XAML
>
> Regards,
>
> Ron DeSerranno
> Mobiform Software Ltd.
> http://www.mobiform.com
>
> Download the Aurora XAML Designer Now!
> http://www.mobiform.com/Eng/aurora.html
>
>
> - The Article -
>
> http://news.netcraft.com/archives/20..._and_mono.html
>
>
> Q. What do you see as the greatest danger to the continuing adoption and
> progress of open source?
>
> A. Microsoft realizes today that Linux is competing for some of the green
> pastures that it's been enjoying for so long; I think that Longhorn is a big
> attempt to take back what they owned before. Longhorn has kind of a scary
> technology called Avalon, which when compounded with another technology
> called XAML, it's fairly dangerous. And the reason is that they've made it so
> it's basically an HTML replacement. The advantage is it's probably as easy as
> writing HTML, so that means that anybody can produce this content with a text
> editor.
>
> It's basically an HTML Next Generation. A lot more widgets, a lot more
> flexibility, more richer experience - way, way richer experience. You get
> basically the native client experience with Web- like deployments. So you
> develop these extremely rich applications but they can be deployed as easily
> as the Web is. It's just like going to a URL: you go to Google, and you get
> the Web page and it works. So it's the same deployment model but the user
> interface interaction is just fantastic.
>
> Of course, the only drawback is that this new interaction is completely tied
> to .Net and WinFX. So we see that as a very big danger. A lot of people today
> cannot migrate to Linux or cannot migrate to Mozilla because a lot of their
> internal Web sites happen to use IE extensions. Now imagine a world where you
> can only use XAML.
>
> It's massive - I'm so scared
>

Old article

I would argue that, at least according to the PDC speeches, that you are
*not* tied to .NET and WinFX. According to Jim A., you will be able to (at
least on the web) view a sizeable (although not complete) amount of the WPF
platform in Apple's Safari and Firefox through the WPF/E initiative. Sure,
there's no date announced for it, but it was neat seeing the demo of it on
stage. So it's not complete vaporware.

Personally, I think Miguel just wants Microsoft to slow down the .NET
improvements, so the mono program can catch up. They haven't even completed
the base classes for 1.0 framework yet, I think (someone chime in if I'm
wrong), specifically for the WinForms. microsoft has since released 1.1 and
2.0 versions. I think this lack of consistency between mono and .NET will
more likely cause people to adopt .NET, as opposed to limiting development
to meet current mono capabilities.

Disagree?



"Ron DeSerranno [Mobiform]"
<RonDeSerrannoMobiform@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:65E01CFE-BD3B-4793-9C80-F9BB252E7133@microsoft.com...
> Interesting interview with Miguel de Icaza cofounder of gnome, ximian and
> mono. The bottom of the article he talks about the biggest risk to the
> open
> source community and XAML
>
> Regards,
>
> Ron DeSerranno
> Mobiform Software Ltd.
> http://www.mobiform.com
>
> Download the Aurora XAML Designer Now!
> http://www.mobiform.com/Eng/aurora.html
>
>
> - The Article -
>
> http://news.netcraft.com/archives/20..._and_mono.html
>
>
> Q. What do you see as the greatest danger to the continuing adoption and
> progress of open source?
>
> A. Microsoft realizes today that Linux is competing for some of the green
> pastures that it's been enjoying for so long; I think that Longhorn is a
> big
> attempt to take back what they owned before. Longhorn has kind of a scary
> technology called Avalon, which when compounded with another technology
> called XAML, it's fairly dangerous. And the reason is that they've made it
> so
> it's basically an HTML replacement. The advantage is it's probably as easy
> as
> writing HTML, so that means that anybody can produce this content with a
> text
> editor.
>
> It's basically an HTML Next Generation. A lot more widgets, a lot more
> flexibility, more richer experience - way, way richer experience. You get
> basically the native client experience with Web- like deployments. So you
> develop these extremely rich applications but they can be deployed as
> easily
> as the Web is. It's just like going to a URL: you go to Google, and you
> get
> the Web page and it works. So it's the same deployment model but the user
> interface interaction is just fantastic.
>
> Of course, the only drawback is that this new interaction is completely
> tied
> to .Net and WinFX. So we see that as a very big danger. A lot of people
> today
> cannot migrate to Linux or cannot migrate to Mozilla because a lot of
> their
> internal Web sites happen to use IE extensions. Now imagine a world where
> you
> can only use XAML.
>
> It's massive - I'm so scared
>