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Old 10-14-2008   #11 (permalink)


Vista Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Re: New Computer Freeze

Quote  Quote: Originally Posted by muplayer View Post
This is a update guys, i dropped the oc to 15% , got 3.2 ghz , 1222 MHZ ram. So far only 1 crash every 2 hours, not sure why its not stable at 3.5 ghz , Temperature is 40-50c average so no overheating , so what could possibily cause the unstability every part in the computer are optimised for overclocking.

Perhaps i need to increase ram voltage its at 1.8 atm, and cpu voltage is at 1.3
Not only is it not stable at 3.5GHz, but if you're crashing, "every two hours", then it's not stable at 3.2GHz. You should never crash, period.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say, "every part in the computer are optimized for overclocking"? Yeah... and? Just because the parts are built to be overclocked does not mean you don't still have to put in the requisite work required to get the system up to speed and stable.

Why you're not stable is obvious: "Cpu around 1.28 v". Around? vcore is low, by any measure. Either do it right or don't do it at all. The only thing you're doing by doing what you're doing (which is the willy-nilly approach backed up by no knowledge whatsoever) is potentially ruining your OS and your parts.

Go to the overclocking sub-forum. Skunksmash wrote a very nice beginners guide to overclocking. You can start by reading it twice. Once you understand what he's saying, move on to this: http://forums.overclockersclub.com/i...howtopic=71656

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Old 10-14-2008   #12 (permalink)


Vista 32
 
 

Re: New Computer Freeze

Raised vcore to 1.3 V
And Dram to 1.8 V

3 hours of heaving game no crash so far.

Didnt know a low voltage could cause overclocking issues, all the voltage were left at default, yet somehow it seem by increasing the processor speed and ram mhz you also need to increase voltage. Thought leaving them at default was the best option.

Quote  Quote: Originally Posted by Fumz View Post
Quote  Quote: Originally Posted by muplayer View Post
This is a update guys, i dropped the oc to 15% , got 3.2 ghz , 1222 MHZ ram. So far only 1 crash every 2 hours, not sure why its not stable at 3.5 ghz , Temperature is 40-50c average so no overheating , so what could possibily cause the unstability every part in the computer are optimised for overclocking.

Perhaps i need to increase ram voltage its at 1.8 atm, and cpu voltage is at 1.3
Not only is it not stable at 3.5GHz, but if you're crashing, "every two hours", then it's not stable at 3.2GHz. You should never crash, period.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say, "every part in the computer are optimized for overclocking"? Yeah... and? Just because the parts are built to be overclocked does not mean you don't still have to put in the requisite work required to get the system up to speed and stable.

Why you're not stable is obvious: "Cpu around 1.28 v". Around? vcore is low, by any measure. Either do it right or don't do it at all. The only thing you're doing by doing what you're doing (which is the willy-nilly approach backed up by no knowledge whatsoever) is potentially ruining your OS and your parts.

Go to the overclocking sub-forum. Skunksmash wrote a very nice beginners guide to overclocking. You can start by reading it twice. Once you understand what he's saying, move on to this: Howto: Overclock C2q (quads) And C2d (duals) - A Guide V1.7 - OverclockersClub Forums
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Old 10-14-2008   #13 (permalink)


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Re: New Computer Freeze

Quote  Quote: Originally Posted by muplayer View Post
Raised vcore to 1.3 V
And Dram to 1.8 V

3 hours of heaving game no crash so far.

Didnt know a low voltage could cause overclocking issues, all the voltage were left at default, yet somehow it seem by increasing the processor speed and ram mhz you also need to increase voltage. Thought leaving them at default was the best option.
Please don't make me feel as if I'm talking to a stop sign. 3 hours is great, but by no means does it mean you're stable. Seriously, go read the two listings I suggested, it will only benefit you. Both articles are very short and to the point. After having read them, you will have a full understanding of what you're doing and how to go about it. Your hardware will love you for it.
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Old 10-14-2008   #14 (permalink)


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Re: New Computer Freeze

I did read both articles, some parts were good some were for advanced settings which should be left alone unless you an advanced overclocker.
Im fairly new to overclocking, did read guides and follow advices and im happy im learning more and more slowly.

Do you know why raising my CPU and RAM voltage improved my computer stability?

Quote  Quote: Originally Posted by Fumz View Post
Quote  Quote: Originally Posted by muplayer View Post
Raised vcore to 1.3 V
And Dram to 1.8 V

3 hours of heaving game no crash so far.

Didnt know a low voltage could cause overclocking issues, all the voltage were left at default, yet somehow it seem by increasing the processor speed and ram mhz you also need to increase voltage. Thought leaving them at default was the best option.
Please don't make me feel as if I'm talking to a stop sign. 3 hours is great, but by no means does it mean you're stable. Seriously, go read the two listings I suggested, it will only benefit you. Both articles are very short and to the point. After having read them, you will have a full understanding of what you're doing and how to go about it. Your hardware will love you for it.
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Old 10-14-2008   #15 (permalink)


Vista Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Re: New Computer Freeze

As you increase cpu speed, data signals weaken. This is why you got errors and crashed (fsb errors). To overcome this, you increase voltage; thus, create stability and maintain signal strength.

As far as your RAM goes, that's a little different. Your RAM has a specific voltage that it likes to run. The SPD chip on your RAM "should" have told your board the correct setting; however, as is often the case, when overclocking, you will have to set this manually. 1.8 volts is the setting for many many kits these days. Some go as high as 2.3 volts. While it seems "high", it's still lower than DDR1 RAM, which usually operates at 2.5-2.6 volts. DDR3 is even lower still.
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Old 10-14-2008   #16 (permalink)


Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit Beta, Vista Ultimate x86
 
 

Re: New Computer Freeze

Hi muplayer, You know you really should listem to Fumz. In my opinion he's the MAN when it comes to overclocking. There is a lot more to it than just changing a few settings. The more you know the better your overclock will be. What sort of overclock do you think "advanced" is? In my book a 3.5ghz is advanced, as is your current overclock.
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Old 10-15-2008   #17 (permalink)


Vista 32
 
 

Re: New Computer Freeze

Thanx for the info, it really helped.
Been 12 hours no crash , i was getting paranoid before and thought i fried the cpu and damaged it because when i finished building the computer the cooler was not installed properly and the temperature jumped to 100c i immediately turned off the machine, was like 100 C for 15 seconds, so now thats out of the way im breathing easy.

You said 1.8 v (ram) is the settings for many kits these days? but intel says 1.65v should be the max or you risk damaging the cpu is that indeed the case?

Quote  Quote: Originally Posted by Fumz View Post
As you increase cpu speed, data signals weaken. This is why you got errors and crashed (fsb errors). To overcome this, you increase voltage; thus, create stability and maintain signal strength.

As far as your RAM goes, that's a little different. Your RAM has a specific voltage that it likes to run. The SPD chip on your RAM "should" have told your board the correct setting; however, as is often the case, when overclocking, you will have to set this manually. 1.8 volts is the setting for many many kits these days. Some go as high as 2.3 volts. While it seems "high", it's still lower than DDR1 RAM, which usually operates at 2.5-2.6 volts. DDR3 is even lower still.
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Old 10-15-2008   #18 (permalink)


Vista Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Re: New Computer Freeze

Quote  Quote: Originally Posted by muplayer View Post
Thanx for the info, it really helped.
Been 12 hours no crash , i was getting paranoid before and thought i fried the cpu and damaged it because when i finished building the computer the cooler was not installed properly and the temperature jumped to 100c i immediately turned off the machine, was like 100 C for 15 seconds, so now thats out of the way im breathing easy.

You said 1.8 v (ram) is the settings for many kits these days? but intel says 1.65v should be the max or you risk damaging the cpu is that indeed the case?

Quote  Quote: Originally Posted by Fumz View Post
As you increase cpu speed, data signals weaken. This is why you got errors and crashed (fsb errors). To overcome this, you increase voltage; thus, create stability and maintain signal strength.

As far as your RAM goes, that's a little different. Your RAM has a specific voltage that it likes to run. The SPD chip on your RAM "should" have told your board the correct setting; however, as is often the case, when overclocking, you will have to set this manually. 1.8 volts is the setting for many many kits these days. Some go as high as 2.3 volts. While it seems "high", it's still lower than DDR1 RAM, which usually operates at 2.5-2.6 volts. DDR3 is even lower still.
You're going to have to start paying attention. There's just no way for me to sugar coat this for you. You're NOT paying attention, period. Look at what you just said... ask yourself if it makes sense? You've conflated two terms... RAM voltage and cpu voltage.... How am I to respond to that?

If you want my honest opinion, I would head to the OC forum and seek out gunther. Gunther is an amazing fellow with a level of patience far beyond mine. He's also, as luck would have it, a pretty good clocker. He will walk you through everything you need to be walked through.
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Old 10-15-2008   #19 (permalink)


Vista 32
 
 

Re: New Computer Freeze

U misunderstood what i said, i was not referring to CPU voltage, i was referring to ram voltage memory voltage limit, and asked as a reference if indeed high ram voltage higher than 1.6 can damage cpu

Quote  Quote: Originally Posted by Fumz View Post
Quote  Quote: Originally Posted by muplayer View Post
Thanx for the info, it really helped.
Been 12 hours no crash , i was getting paranoid before and thought i fried the cpu and damaged it because when i finished building the computer the cooler was not installed properly and the temperature jumped to 100c i immediately turned off the machine, was like 100 C for 15 seconds, so now thats out of the way im breathing easy.

You said 1.8 v (ram) is the settings for many kits these days? but intel says 1.65v should be the max or you risk damaging the cpu is that indeed the case?

Quote  Quote: Originally Posted by Fumz View Post
As you increase cpu speed, data signals weaken. This is why you got errors and crashed (fsb errors). To overcome this, you increase voltage; thus, create stability and maintain signal strength.

As far as your RAM goes, that's a little different. Your RAM has a specific voltage that it likes to run. The SPD chip on your RAM "should" have told your board the correct setting; however, as is often the case, when overclocking, you will have to set this manually. 1.8 volts is the setting for many many kits these days. Some go as high as 2.3 volts. While it seems "high", it's still lower than DDR1 RAM, which usually operates at 2.5-2.6 volts. DDR3 is even lower still.
You're going to have to start paying attention. There's just no way for me to sugar coat this for you. You're NOT paying attention, period. Look at what you just said... ask yourself if it makes sense? You've conflated two terms... RAM voltage and cpu voltage.... How am I to respond to that?

If you want my honest opinion, I would head to the OC forum and seek out gunther. Gunther is an amazing fellow with a level of patience far beyond mine. He's also, as luck would have it, a pretty good clocker. He will walk you through everything you need to be walked through.
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Old 10-15-2008   #20 (permalink)


Vista Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Re: New Computer Freeze

Quote  Quote: Originally Posted by muplayer View Post
U misunderstood what i said, i was not referring to CPU voltage, i was referring to ram voltage memory voltage limit, and asked as a reference if indeed high ram voltage higher than 1.6 can damage cpu

You said 1.8 v (ram) is the settings for many kits these days? but intel says 1.65v should be the max or you risk damaging the cpu is that indeed the case?
Yes, perhaps you're right, I did misunderstand you. Where are you getting your figures from? Dram voltage is 1.8 volts. This is independent of cpu voltage, which you, having a 45nm core, should never go above 1.4 volts.
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