Need Help Diagnosing an Unknown Display Problem

boweasel

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My wife owns an HP Pavilion laptop - dv9657cl - running 32 bit Vista Home Premium. It has an Intel processor. About a year ago she began having display problems - typically she would get screens that had little vertical columns of tiny white snowflakes, each column separated by about an inch. I tried updating the graphics driver, but nothing really seemed to improve the situation.

I found the problem was less significant when running in safe mode, so I changed the config file to always boot in safe mode with networking. Then I performed a registry hack to allow audio. She continued to use the laptop that way without incident until recently. More and more things began to not work on the laptop, so I backed up her info and restored it to factory settings. Then I updated Windows, installed SP2 and IE9.

It was working perfectly using normal mode until someone sent her a link to a Facebook video which would not play in IE9. When she exited she got this textured green screen (her desktop background is black). After that IE9 became unusable and I changed the default browser to Firefox. Later, while using Firefox and doing a Google search for something, it took her to a page with a video. The video did play, but hitting the back arrow brought up another green textured screen, which allows no input beyond holding the power button. When I reboot, the only screen that seems affected is the splash screen, which shows those columns of snowflakes, but the desktop seems normal.

I don't really know what drivers to download. HP lists 3 graphics drivers, but I went through this whole download and install merry-go-round the last time, and ended up doing a reinstall anyway.

I see other people with the same problems, and forums seem to be unable to tell anyone exactly what drivers to download. I've seen them scold people, indicating that it's the responsibility of the user to determine the drivers needed, cajoling people to do some detective work on their own. I'm perfectly willing to do the detective work, I just need to know what tools I need to help with the search.

Update - I tried installing the first graphics driver on the list
NVIDIA GeForce Series Video Driver
2009-04-28 , Version7.15.11.7713, 141.68M
About halfway through the install the screen developed a LOT of horizontal lines. I had to reboot into safe mode with networking to get the display working.
 
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According to a Google search of HP's website for your model the graphics card is: NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GS

From Nvidia's website Drivers | GeForce the latest driver for it is 307.83 and I would recommend trying that
although from what you say, it sounds like perhaps either the card is breaking down or perhaps it has been jogged loose in its socket.
Not sure if you are into taking a laptop apart, I would be more inclined to take it in somewhere for service.
In the picture below you see Vista mentioned, that's only because I'm using it at the moment.
But the drivers are there for all systems and are far more recent than the one mentioned above.
If the one above came courtesy of Microsoft Updates then I would not use them for that particular driver, instead I would hide anything they offer in that regard.


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System One

  • Operating System
    Win 10 Pro x64 x 2
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware ALX x58
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-975 Extreme O/C to 4.02 GHz, 8MB Cache
    Motherboard
    Asus® P6T Deluxe V2 X58 LGA1366
    Memory
    24GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 4096MB
    Graphics Card(s)
    1792 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 295 Dual Core
    Sound Card
    Onboard Soundmax® High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung XL2370 HD LED backlit 23" W/S 2ms response time
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    2 x 500gb SATA II
    1 x 1TB SATA II
    1 external eSATA LaCie 3TB
    (Non-RAID)
    PSU
    Alienware® 1200 Watt Multi-GPU
    Case
    Unique
    Cooling
    4 case fans @ CPU water cooling.
    Internet Speed
    1gb/s up and down
BTW using the Nvidia installer from the above link usually completely removes the current driver so may fix the situation.
 

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System One

  • Operating System
    Win 10 Pro x64 x 2
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware ALX x58
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-975 Extreme O/C to 4.02 GHz, 8MB Cache
    Motherboard
    Asus® P6T Deluxe V2 X58 LGA1366
    Memory
    24GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 4096MB
    Graphics Card(s)
    1792 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 295 Dual Core
    Sound Card
    Onboard Soundmax® High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung XL2370 HD LED backlit 23" W/S 2ms response time
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    2 x 500gb SATA II
    1 x 1TB SATA II
    1 external eSATA LaCie 3TB
    (Non-RAID)
    PSU
    Alienware® 1200 Watt Multi-GPU
    Case
    Unique
    Cooling
    4 case fans @ CPU water cooling.
    Internet Speed
    1gb/s up and down
Sorry to keep adding on....I recalled a similar experience with my desktop card and back then I resorted to using a tool that forcibly removes all traces of the graphics drivers, leaving a "clean slate" so to speak (your display will go to a VGA mode as it does when in Safe Mode) in which to install the most recent driver for the card. Note after doing this Windows will automatically install basic drivers, which is fine. Then gho to Nvidia's website and download the latest for 8 M series. This is all assuming that is in fact the card you have of course.

Display Driver Uninstaller Download version 13.5.4.2
 
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System One

  • Operating System
    Win 10 Pro x64 x 2
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware ALX x58
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-975 Extreme O/C to 4.02 GHz, 8MB Cache
    Motherboard
    Asus® P6T Deluxe V2 X58 LGA1366
    Memory
    24GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 4096MB
    Graphics Card(s)
    1792 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 295 Dual Core
    Sound Card
    Onboard Soundmax® High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung XL2370 HD LED backlit 23" W/S 2ms response time
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    2 x 500gb SATA II
    1 x 1TB SATA II
    1 external eSATA LaCie 3TB
    (Non-RAID)
    PSU
    Alienware® 1200 Watt Multi-GPU
    Case
    Unique
    Cooling
    4 case fans @ CPU water cooling.
    Internet Speed
    1gb/s up and down
There is absolutely no need to apologize for continuing to give more precise answers - I'd much prefer to be overwhelmed with suggestions than to see a thread languish in the 'unanswered' section for day after day, week after week, month after month (I have one such thread in the Windows 7 Hardware & Devices that has gone without a single reply since the middle of November - doesn't anyone monitor this stuff?)

Anyway, the driver you suggested - the NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GS is the very same driver that I'd already installed after the Windows reinstall and after the Facebook video seemed to cause some sort of video problems. I had installed the driver using the one on the HP drivers page - Software & driver downloads HP Pavilion dv9657cl Notebook PC | HP® Support and THAT was when I got all the horizontal lines on the screen.

So to use the laptop at all I had to be in safe mode, where I uninstalled it using Device Mgr. Of course rebooting only made Windows search and attempt to install a driver on it's own - I had to disconnect the network and remove the 'connect automatically' property. I then ran your removal tool, re-connected my network and went into the NVidia link you'd supplied. Since I was unsure about any other drivers that might be affecting the display (Chipset?), I downloaded and ran the NVidia automatic tool. Once it had finished running everything seemed to go back to normal, although it did want me to restart the laptop, which my wife did not want me to do as yet.

I will give a further report / update on the status later.
 

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Sounds promising... ;-)
 

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System One

  • Operating System
    Win 10 Pro x64 x 2
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware ALX x58
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-975 Extreme O/C to 4.02 GHz, 8MB Cache
    Motherboard
    Asus® P6T Deluxe V2 X58 LGA1366
    Memory
    24GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 4096MB
    Graphics Card(s)
    1792 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 295 Dual Core
    Sound Card
    Onboard Soundmax® High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung XL2370 HD LED backlit 23" W/S 2ms response time
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    2 x 500gb SATA II
    1 x 1TB SATA II
    1 external eSATA LaCie 3TB
    (Non-RAID)
    PSU
    Alienware® 1200 Watt Multi-GPU
    Case
    Unique
    Cooling
    4 case fans @ CPU water cooling.
    Internet Speed
    1gb/s up and down
Looks like everything still seems okay after a reboot. And thanks for your help, but if you could clarify some questions

  1. I'm certainly familiar with using Google, but how is it that you got the answer so quickly? I've found that Googling anything and looking for a definitive answer is often an exercise in futility. For every question you can find a dozen different answers.
  2. Why does HP list 3 different drivers for this model? I've already inputted my service tag - shouldn't there be only one driver for every component? The driver I ended up with is the same one that was listed in device manager when the display wasn't correct? Obviously it was a older series. Why wouldn't HP update the page? Why aren't there free tools available that let you determine EXACTLY what drivers you need for video, audio, Ethernet, etc. I set the laptop back to factory settings, assuming that EVERYTHING would now work. I was wrong, but having to constantly pick and choose, install and uninstall, reboot over and over gets old real fast.
  3. How did you determine that it was the NVIDEA driver I needed and not the Mobile Intel 965 Express Chipset Family Video Driver? Or the other NVIDEA GE Force driver?
 

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Jumped the gun on A-OK - I ran into another display problem using IE9. After watch a Facebook video, when my wife exited, the screen was a solid red with a sort of interweave design. I assumed the problem was IE9, switched the default browser to Firefox, checked if youtube worked (it did), and assumed everything was okay.

Just today my wife mentioned that she still can't view videos in Facebook. I tried it (using Firefox) and the embedded videos would not play, yet gave no error message, just the Firefox version of the little blue circle - 4 or 5 little vertical bars that fade in and out.

I updated Adobe Reader to version 11 and the video did play, but as soon as I hit the back arrow I got one of those solid color with a weave pages.


At this point I don't know what to do. Another re-install? (I'd already done a clean install of Vista previously). Could these symptoms be indicative of HDD failure?


Any ideas?
 

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Adobe Reader is for PDF's , Adobe Flash is what you need for Facebook & YouTube videos.
 

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System One

  • Operating System
    Win 10 Pro x64 x 2
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware ALX x58
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-975 Extreme O/C to 4.02 GHz, 8MB Cache
    Motherboard
    Asus® P6T Deluxe V2 X58 LGA1366
    Memory
    24GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 4096MB
    Graphics Card(s)
    1792 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 295 Dual Core
    Sound Card
    Onboard Soundmax® High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung XL2370 HD LED backlit 23" W/S 2ms response time
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    2 x 500gb SATA II
    1 x 1TB SATA II
    1 external eSATA LaCie 3TB
    (Non-RAID)
    PSU
    Alienware® 1200 Watt Multi-GPU
    Case
    Unique
    Cooling
    4 case fans @ CPU water cooling.
    Internet Speed
    1gb/s up and down
Adobe Reader is for PDF's , Adobe Flash is what you need for Facebook & YouTube videos.
Yeah, I'm sorry.... I had updated her Adobe Reader, hoping that clicking on a pdf attachment through her email would simply open the file instead of making her click on 2 additional items. It didn't change a thing, unfortunately.

Her Flash player I DID update to NPAPI plug-in version 16.0.0.257. Active X version - Not Installed. PPAPI plug-in version - not installed.
 

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System One

  • Operating System
    Win 10 Pro x64 x 2
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware ALX x58
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-975 Extreme O/C to 4.02 GHz, 8MB Cache
    Motherboard
    Asus® P6T Deluxe V2 X58 LGA1366
    Memory
    24GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 4096MB
    Graphics Card(s)
    1792 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 295 Dual Core
    Sound Card
    Onboard Soundmax® High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung XL2370 HD LED backlit 23" W/S 2ms response time
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    2 x 500gb SATA II
    1 x 1TB SATA II
    1 external eSATA LaCie 3TB
    (Non-RAID)
    PSU
    Alienware® 1200 Watt Multi-GPU
    Case
    Unique
    Cooling
    4 case fans @ CPU water cooling.
    Internet Speed
    1gb/s up and down
I don't understand the not installed bit, sounds fishy to me.
Forget about the pdf 'error'. My wife just isn't used to the slight difference in how Firefox handles Adobe Reader pgms vs the way IE9 handled them.

But as far as the video problem.... I've determined that at this juncture in time all videos, whether youtube or embedded Facebook, play correctly. The screw-up occurs when you discontinue the video, either closing the tab or window by clicking on the 'X', or by clicking on the 'back' arrow. Either of those options ALWAYS trigger the heavily textured screen, which necessitates a reboot.
 

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That's odd indeed. Sounds to me a good question for your graphics card maker.
 

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System One

  • Operating System
    Win 10 Pro x64 x 2
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware ALX x58
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-975 Extreme O/C to 4.02 GHz, 8MB Cache
    Motherboard
    Asus® P6T Deluxe V2 X58 LGA1366
    Memory
    24GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 4096MB
    Graphics Card(s)
    1792 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 295 Dual Core
    Sound Card
    Onboard Soundmax® High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung XL2370 HD LED backlit 23" W/S 2ms response time
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    2 x 500gb SATA II
    1 x 1TB SATA II
    1 external eSATA LaCie 3TB
    (Non-RAID)
    PSU
    Alienware® 1200 Watt Multi-GPU
    Case
    Unique
    Cooling
    4 case fans @ CPU water cooling.
    Internet Speed
    1gb/s up and down
Well they have a forum, but in my experience trying to get an answer there is like pulling teeth.
https://forums.geforce.com/
It was just a thought as nothing here seems to be helping.
 

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System One

  • Operating System
    Win 10 Pro x64 x 2
    Manufacturer/Model
    Alienware ALX x58
    CPU
    Intel® Core™ i7-975 Extreme O/C to 4.02 GHz, 8MB Cache
    Motherboard
    Asus® P6T Deluxe V2 X58 LGA1366
    Memory
    24GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 4096MB
    Graphics Card(s)
    1792 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 295 Dual Core
    Sound Card
    Onboard Soundmax® High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung XL2370 HD LED backlit 23" W/S 2ms response time
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    2 x 500gb SATA II
    1 x 1TB SATA II
    1 external eSATA LaCie 3TB
    (Non-RAID)
    PSU
    Alienware® 1200 Watt Multi-GPU
    Case
    Unique
    Cooling
    4 case fans @ CPU water cooling.
    Internet Speed
    1gb/s up and down
Okay.... after enabling sound in safe mode with networking, the laptop has now decided to display graphics problems immediately upon startup. Apparently the video chip on the mobo has either become somewhat disengaged or just broke down entirely.

Is that the death knell for a laptop? I mean if you have the same problem in a desktop, you just go buy a video card and slap it in an internal slot, and it's fixed for under 40 bucks.
 

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