Vista - Tray icon does not dissapear when i close live mail

12-24-2007

Thanks for your input Norman, and your confirmation that leaving the "Upload
Larger Images to The Web When Sending a Photo E-mail" box un-checked after
creating a message also causes wlmail.exe to continue running for you after
closing the program. I agree that the taskbar icon issue in your case is
probably because you have the "Hide window when Inbox is minimized" option
selected.
It's strange that un-checking this "larger images" option would prevent WLM
from closing. Perhaps it is checked by default and that is why more people
are not experiencing this issue. But, I certainly do want want to be forced
to upload larger images to the web. Anyway, what does Microsoft consider
large? 500K, 1M, 5M ???

"N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:rfr0txzc7mes.dlg@xxxxxx

Quote:

> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 00:56:51 -0800, RonnieJP wrote:
>

Quote:

>> "fieseler" <fieseler@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:446084C5-1F86-453F-B36A-07FA004110B6@xxxxxx

>

Quote:

>>> Im having a weird problem where i close live mail, but sometimes the
>>> tray
>>> icon & background service (wlmail.exe) will not shut down.

>

Quote:

>> I appear to have stumbled upon a fix for this problem, at least one that
>> works for me.
>> Go to Tools -> Options -> Send
>> Check the box that shows "Upload Larger Images to the Web When Sending a
>> Photo E-mail".
>> I have checked and unchecked this box many times to test this. In every
>> case (so far), if the box is left unchecked, Live Mail will hang on close
>> if
>> I create a new message. If I keep the box checked, Live Mail closes
>> fine,
>> the windows disappears from the Taskbar and the wlmail.exe process no
>> longer
>> runs in Task Manager.
>> I have no idea why this works, or if it will work for everyone, but I
>> would
>> love to hear if this happens to solve the problem for any of the others
>> that
>> have reported this issue. I hope to get some responses. Thanks.

>
> Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606, under Windows MCE 2005. Current patches, as
> of
> December patch Tuesday.
>
> I tried clearing the check in the "Upload Larger Images..." check box.
> Opened a "new" compose window, then "X" closed that window without input.
> "X" closed Windows Live Mail. No icon left in Notification Area. Works the
> same whichever way I have the "Upload Larger Images..." option checked.
>
> Checking the Task Manager for that part of the issue: Even though the WLM
> icon is not present in the Notification Area, 'wlmail.exe' process is
> still
> running after "X" close under the conditions you describe when the "Upload
> Larger Images..." option is unchecked. So, although I don't have the WLM
> icon left in the Notification Area, I still have the WLM process running.
> Using the Task Manager to end the process will cause an improper WLM
> shutdown error on the next open of WLM.
>
> I suppose the difference I am seeing might be that I have the "Hide window
> when Inbox is mimized" option selected.
>
> --
> Norman
> ~Oh Lord, why have you come
> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

12-24-2007

"N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:zw6an5wbg22r$.dlg@xxxxxx

Quote:

> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:01:23 -0600, Ron Sommer wrote:
>
> I am not having a problem, but...
>

Quote:

>> To be really helpful, please include more information.
>> Your build is 12.0.1606.

>
> Yes.
>

Quote:

>> Operating system?

>
> Windows MCE 2005.
>

Quote:

>> Type and number of accounts?

>
> HTTPMail (3)
> IMAP (5)
> POP3 (1)
>

Quote:

>> Is Messenger running?

>
> No.
>

Quote:

>> Are you signed in to Windows Live?

>
> Yes.

It seems that 3 conditions are causing WLM to not close:
being signed in to Windows Live,
"Upload Larger Images..." unchecked,
and open a message composition window.
Does WLM close if you are not signed in to Windows Live and the other two
conditions are meet?

Quote:

>

Quote:

>> How did you install WLM?

>
> Used 'WLinstaller.exe'. Installed 12.0.1606 over 12.0.1365.
>

Quote:

>> I do not have this problem. I am only accessing 4 pop3 accounts on a XP
>> machine.

>
> I am not seeing the icon left in the Notification Area on "X" close under
> the stated circumstance: "Upload Larger Images..." unchecked, open a
> message
> compose window, "X" close window with no input, "X" close WLM. However,
> doing that does leave the 'wlmail.exe' process running.
>

Quote:

>> I do not have a Tools -> Options -> Send box that shows "Upload Larger
>> Images to the Web When Sending a Photo E-mail".

>
> Sixth of six listed boxes under the "Sending" section in my copy of WLM
> 12.0.1606. Overinstalled the previous version, not a fresh install.

I only have five listed boxes. I suspect that if you didn't sign in, you
will not have the sixth box.

Quote:

>

Quote:

>> You say, "create a new message".
>> Is the create a message window still open?

>
> No. "X" closed.
>

Quote:

>> Saved to drafts?

>
> No.
>

Quote:

>> Sent?

>
> No.
>

Quote:

>> Is the email plain text, HTML, photo email?

>
> Rich text (HTML). No content; closed window without text entry.
>
> --
> Norman
> ~Oh Lord, why have you come
> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

--
Ronald Sommer

12-25-2007

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:43:01 -0800, RonnieJP wrote:

Quote:

> "N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:rfr0txzc7mes.dlg@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 00:56:51 -0800, RonnieJP wrote:

Quote:

>>> "fieseler" <fieseler@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:446084C5-1F86-453F-B36A-07FA004110B6@xxxxxx

Quote:

>>>> Im having a weird problem where i close live mail, but sometimes the
>>>> tray
>>>> icon & background service (wlmail.exe) will not shut down.

Quote:

>>> I appear to have stumbled upon a fix for this problem, at least one that
>>> works for me.
>>> Go to Tools -> Options -> Send
>>> Check the box that shows "Upload Larger Images to the Web When Sending a
>>> Photo E-mail".
>>> I have checked and unchecked this box many times to test this. In every
>>> case (so far), if the box is left unchecked, Live Mail will hang on close
>>> if I create a new message. If I keep the box checked, Live Mail closes
>>> fine, the windows disappears from the Taskbar and the wlmail.exe process
>>> no longer runs in Task Manager.
>>> I have no idea why this works, or if it will work for everyone, but I
>>> would love to hear if this happens to solve the problem for any of the
>>> others that have reported this issue. I hope to get some responses.

Quote:

>> Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606, under Windows MCE 2005. Current patches, as
>> of December patch Tuesday.
>>
>> I tried clearing the check in the "Upload Larger Images..." check box.
>> Opened a "new" compose window, then "X" closed that window without input.
>> "X" closed Windows Live Mail. No icon left in Notification Area. Works the
>> same whichever way I have the "Upload Larger Images..." option checked.
>>
>> Checking the Task Manager for that part of the issue: Even though the WLM
>> icon is not present in the Notification Area, 'wlmail.exe' process is
>> still
>> running after "X" close under the conditions you describe when the "Upload
>> Larger Images..." option is unchecked. So, although I don't have the WLM
>> icon left in the Notification Area, I still have the WLM process running.
>> Using the Task Manager to end the process will cause an improper WLM
>> shutdown error on the next open of WLM.
>>
>> I suppose the difference I am seeing might be that I have the "Hide window
>> when Inbox is mimized" option selected.

Quote:

> Thanks for your input Norman, and your confirmation that leaving the "Upload
> Larger Images to The Web When Sending a Photo E-mail" box un-checked after
> creating a message also causes wlmail.exe to continue running for you after
> closing the program. I agree that the taskbar icon issue in your case is
> probably because you have the "Hide window when Inbox is minimized" option
> selected.
> It's strange that un-checking this "larger images" option would prevent WLM
> from closing. Perhaps it is checked by default and that is why more people
> are not experiencing this issue. But, I certainly do want want to be forced
> to upload larger images to the web. Anyway, what does Microsoft consider
> large? 500K, 1M, 5M ???

Indeed, the option is checked by default. I had to change it to test because
I wasn't seeing the issue otherwise. I haven't really used that option, so I
don't have a clue.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

12-25-2007

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:19:53 -0600, Ron Sommer wrote:

Quote:

> "N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:zw6an5wbg22r$.dlg@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:01:23 -0600, Ron Sommer wrote:

Quote:

>> I am not having a problem, but...

Quote:

>>> To be really helpful, please include more information.
>>> Your build is 12.0.1606.

Quote:

>> Yes.

Quote:

>>> Operating system?

Quote:

>> Windows MCE 2005.

Quote:

>>> Type and number of accounts?

Quote:

>> HTTPMail (3)
>> IMAP (5)
>> POP3 (1)

Quote:

>>> Is Messenger running?

Quote:

>> No.

Quote:

>>> Are you signed in to Windows Live?

Quote:

>> Yes.

Quote:

> It seems that 3 conditions are causing WLM to not close:
> being signed in to Windows Live,
> "Upload Larger Images..." unchecked,
> and open a message composition window.
> Does WLM close if you are not signed in to Windows Live and the other two
> conditions are meet?

Yes. When I select to "Stop signing in to Windows Live", WLM closes properly
on the "X" close with the other two conditions met.

Quote:

>>> How did you install WLM?

Quote:

>> Used 'WLinstaller.exe'. Installed 12.0.1606 over 12.0.1365.

Quote:

>>> I do not have this problem. I am only accessing 4 pop3 accounts on a XP
>>> machine.

Quote:

>> I am not seeing the icon left in the Notification Area on "X" close under
>> the stated circumstance: "Upload Larger Images..." unchecked, open a
>> message
>> compose window, "X" close window with no input, "X" close WLM. However,
>> doing that does leave the 'wlmail.exe' process running.

Quote:

>>> I do not have a Tools -> Options -> Send box that shows "Upload Larger
>>> Images to the Web When Sending a Photo E-mail".

Quote:

>> Sixth of six listed boxes under the "Sending" section in my copy of WLM
>> 12.0.1606. Overinstalled the previous version, not a fresh install.

Quote:

> I only have five listed boxes. I suspect that if you didn't sign in, you
> will not have the sixth box.

Indeed, when I change the option so I am not signed in to Windows Live on
starting Windows Live Mail, I do not have that sixth box in the menu.

It sounds like an untested condition which the design team should address.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

12-25-2007

"Geesey" <Geesey@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:0E87B5A8-9E11-4E01-896D-DD6BA35EB6C9@xxxxxx

Quote:

> No it isn't a case of impatience as it might seem on the surface.
> It is actually crashing now and I have the following report that has been
> sent automatically to Microsoft.

I had what you may be seeing last night. It's not a hang; it's some kind
of I/O loop. E.g. in Task Manager nothing was changing except
I/O Other and that statistic was going up dramatically.

FWIW I have changed my compaction interval to 1 so I have been getting
that prompt every time I close WLMail. Last night was the first time I tried
to say No to the prompt... So, if you were getting a non-displayable prompt
(because you decide to Exit) and the default action in that state was No
and this loop is always the result to replying No, I still think that would be
the source of your symptom. ; )

Next time I get this I'm going to try to remember to use Process Explorer
to see what files WLMail still has open.

Quote:

> Fault Module Name: UXCore.dll

FWIW I have crashes in that module occasionally. Different offsets.
(Just checked with evntvwr and there were more than I thought. <w>)
It would probably be a good idea to use ProcMon to capture the Stack
at the time of the crashes. Even better to have symbols enabled,
so ProcMon could show you the routine names involved too.

Before killing WLMail please confirm if you see the loop with I/O Other.
As I explained it is a good idea to do that before killing it anyway,
in case the loop really involves I/O Write, in which case you are risking
corrupted files.

Robert
---

12-27-2007

At least we know now why it happens!

I wonder if this is related to Windows Live Mail also polling for new
messages even though I have that option disabled?

12-24-2007	#21 (permalink)
RonnieJP n/a posts	Re: Tray icon does not dissapear when i close live mail Thanks for your input Norman, and your confirmation that leaving the "Upload Larger Images to The Web When Sending a Photo E-mail" box un-checked after creating a message also causes wlmail.exe to continue running for you after closing the program. I agree that the taskbar icon issue in your case is probably because you have the "Hide window when Inbox is minimized" option selected. It's strange that un-checking this "larger images" option would prevent WLM from closing. Perhaps it is checked by default and that is why more people are not experiencing this issue. But, I certainly do want want to be forced to upload larger images to the web. Anyway, what does Microsoft consider large? 500K, 1M, 5M ??? "N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:rfr0txzc7mes.dlg@xxxxxx Quote: > On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 00:56:51 -0800, RonnieJP wrote: > Quote: >> "fieseler" <fieseler@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:446084C5-1F86-453F-B36A-07FA004110B6@xxxxxx > Quote: Quote: >>> Im having a weird problem where i close live mail, but sometimes the >>> tray >>> icon & background service (wlmail.exe) will not shut down. > Quote: >> I appear to have stumbled upon a fix for this problem, at least one that >> works for me. >> Go to Tools -> Options -> Send >> Check the box that shows "Upload Larger Images to the Web When Sending a >> Photo E-mail". >> I have checked and unchecked this box many times to test this. In every >> case (so far), if the box is left unchecked, Live Mail will hang on close >> if >> I create a new message. If I keep the box checked, Live Mail closes >> fine, >> the windows disappears from the Taskbar and the wlmail.exe process no >> longer >> runs in Task Manager. >> I have no idea why this works, or if it will work for everyone, but I >> would >> love to hear if this happens to solve the problem for any of the others >> that >> have reported this issue. I hope to get some responses. Thanks. > > Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606, under Windows MCE 2005. Current patches, as > of > December patch Tuesday. > > I tried clearing the check in the "Upload Larger Images..." check box. > Opened a "new" compose window, then "X" closed that window without input. > "X" closed Windows Live Mail. No icon left in Notification Area. Works the > same whichever way I have the "Upload Larger Images..." option checked. > > Checking the Task Manager for that part of the issue: Even though the WLM > icon is not present in the Notification Area, 'wlmail.exe' process is > still > running after "X" close under the conditions you describe when the "Upload > Larger Images..." option is unchecked. So, although I don't have the WLM > icon left in the Notification Area, I still have the WLM process running. > Using the Task Manager to end the process will cause an improper WLM > shutdown error on the next open of WLM. > > I suppose the difference I am seeing might be that I have the "Hide window > when Inbox is mimized" option selected. > > -- > Norman > ~Oh Lord, why have you come > ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
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12-24-2007	#22 (permalink)
Ron Sommer n/a posts	Re: Tray icon does not dissapear when i close live mail "N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:zw6an5wbg22r$.dlg@xxxxxx Quote: > On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:01:23 -0600, Ron Sommer wrote: > > I am not having a problem, but... > Quote: >> To be really helpful, please include more information. >> Your build is 12.0.1606. > > Yes. > Quote: >> Operating system? > > Windows MCE 2005. > Quote: >> Type and number of accounts? > > HTTPMail (3) > IMAP (5) > POP3 (1) > Quote: >> Is Messenger running? > > No. > Quote: >> Are you signed in to Windows Live? > > Yes. It seems that 3 conditions are causing WLM to not close: being signed in to Windows Live, "Upload Larger Images..." unchecked, and open a message composition window. Does WLM close if you are not signed in to Windows Live and the other two conditions are meet? Quote: > Quote: >> How did you install WLM? > > Used 'WLinstaller.exe'. Installed 12.0.1606 over 12.0.1365. > Quote: >> I do not have this problem. I am only accessing 4 pop3 accounts on a XP >> machine. > > I am not seeing the icon left in the Notification Area on "X" close under > the stated circumstance: "Upload Larger Images..." unchecked, open a > message > compose window, "X" close window with no input, "X" close WLM. However, > doing that does leave the 'wlmail.exe' process running. > Quote: >> I do not have a Tools -> Options -> Send box that shows "Upload Larger >> Images to the Web When Sending a Photo E-mail". > > Sixth of six listed boxes under the "Sending" section in my copy of WLM > 12.0.1606. Overinstalled the previous version, not a fresh install. I only have five listed boxes. I suspect that if you didn't sign in, you will not have the sixth box. Quote: > Quote: >> You say, "create a new message". >> Is the create a message window still open? > > No. "X" closed. > Quote: >> Saved to drafts? > > No. > Quote: >> Sent? > > No. > Quote: >> Is the email plain text, HTML, photo email? > > Rich text (HTML). No content; closed window without text entry. > > -- > Norman > ~Oh Lord, why have you come > ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum -- Ronald Sommer
My System Specs

12-25-2007	#23 (permalink)
N. Miller n/a posts	Re: Tray icon does not dissapear when i close live mail On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:43:01 -0800, RonnieJP wrote: Quote: > "N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:rfr0txzc7mes.dlg@xxxxxx Quote: Quote: >> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 00:56:51 -0800, RonnieJP wrote: Quote: Quote: Quote: >>> "fieseler" <fieseler@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> news:446084C5-1F86-453F-B36A-07FA004110B6@xxxxxx Quote: Quote: Quote: >>>> Im having a weird problem where i close live mail, but sometimes the >>>> tray >>>> icon & background service (wlmail.exe) will not shut down. Quote: Quote: Quote: >>> I appear to have stumbled upon a fix for this problem, at least one that >>> works for me. >>> Go to Tools -> Options -> Send >>> Check the box that shows "Upload Larger Images to the Web When Sending a >>> Photo E-mail". >>> I have checked and unchecked this box many times to test this. In every >>> case (so far), if the box is left unchecked, Live Mail will hang on close >>> if I create a new message. If I keep the box checked, Live Mail closes >>> fine, the windows disappears from the Taskbar and the wlmail.exe process >>> no longer runs in Task Manager. >>> I have no idea why this works, or if it will work for everyone, but I >>> would love to hear if this happens to solve the problem for any of the >>> others that have reported this issue. I hope to get some responses. Quote: Quote: >> Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606, under Windows MCE 2005. Current patches, as >> of December patch Tuesday. >> >> I tried clearing the check in the "Upload Larger Images..." check box. >> Opened a "new" compose window, then "X" closed that window without input. >> "X" closed Windows Live Mail. No icon left in Notification Area. Works the >> same whichever way I have the "Upload Larger Images..." option checked. >> >> Checking the Task Manager for that part of the issue: Even though the WLM >> icon is not present in the Notification Area, 'wlmail.exe' process is >> still >> running after "X" close under the conditions you describe when the "Upload >> Larger Images..." option is unchecked. So, although I don't have the WLM >> icon left in the Notification Area, I still have the WLM process running. >> Using the Task Manager to end the process will cause an improper WLM >> shutdown error on the next open of WLM. >> >> I suppose the difference I am seeing might be that I have the "Hide window >> when Inbox is mimized" option selected. Quote: > Thanks for your input Norman, and your confirmation that leaving the "Upload > Larger Images to The Web When Sending a Photo E-mail" box un-checked after > creating a message also causes wlmail.exe to continue running for you after > closing the program. I agree that the taskbar icon issue in your case is > probably because you have the "Hide window when Inbox is minimized" option > selected. > It's strange that un-checking this "larger images" option would prevent WLM > from closing. Perhaps it is checked by default and that is why more people > are not experiencing this issue. But, I certainly do want want to be forced > to upload larger images to the web. Anyway, what does Microsoft consider > large? 500K, 1M, 5M ??? Indeed, the option is checked by default. I had to change it to test because I wasn't seeing the issue otherwise. I haven't really used that option, so I don't have a clue. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
My System Specs

12-25-2007	#24 (permalink)
N. Miller n/a posts	Re: Tray icon does not dissapear when i close live mail On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:19:53 -0600, Ron Sommer wrote: Quote: > "N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:zw6an5wbg22r$.dlg@xxxxxx Quote: Quote: >> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:01:23 -0600, Ron Sommer wrote: Quote: Quote: >> I am not having a problem, but... Quote: Quote: Quote: >>> To be really helpful, please include more information. >>> Your build is 12.0.1606. Quote: Quote: >> Yes. Quote: Quote: Quote: >>> Operating system? Quote: Quote: >> Windows MCE 2005. Quote: Quote: Quote: >>> Type and number of accounts? Quote: Quote: >> HTTPMail (3) >> IMAP (5) >> POP3 (1) Quote: Quote: Quote: >>> Is Messenger running? Quote: Quote: >> No. Quote: Quote: Quote: >>> Are you signed in to Windows Live? Quote: Quote: >> Yes. Quote: > It seems that 3 conditions are causing WLM to not close: > being signed in to Windows Live, > "Upload Larger Images..." unchecked, > and open a message composition window. > Does WLM close if you are not signed in to Windows Live and the other two > conditions are meet? Yes. When I select to "Stop signing in to Windows Live", WLM closes properly on the "X" close with the other two conditions met. Quote: Quote: Quote: >>> How did you install WLM? Quote: Quote: >> Used 'WLinstaller.exe'. Installed 12.0.1606 over 12.0.1365. Quote: Quote: Quote: >>> I do not have this problem. I am only accessing 4 pop3 accounts on a XP >>> machine. Quote: Quote: >> I am not seeing the icon left in the Notification Area on "X" close under >> the stated circumstance: "Upload Larger Images..." unchecked, open a >> message >> compose window, "X" close window with no input, "X" close WLM. However, >> doing that does leave the 'wlmail.exe' process running. Quote: Quote: Quote: >>> I do not have a Tools -> Options -> Send box that shows "Upload Larger >>> Images to the Web When Sending a Photo E-mail". Quote: Quote: >> Sixth of six listed boxes under the "Sending" section in my copy of WLM >> 12.0.1606. Overinstalled the previous version, not a fresh install. Quote: > I only have five listed boxes. I suspect that if you didn't sign in, you > will not have the sixth box. Indeed, when I change the option so I am not signed in to Windows Live on starting Windows Live Mail, I do not have that sixth box in the menu. It sounds like an untested condition which the design team should address. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
My System Specs

12-25-2007	#25 (permalink)
Robert Aldwinckle n/a posts	Re: Tray icon does not dissapear when i close live mail "Geesey" <Geesey@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:0E87B5A8-9E11-4E01-896D-DD6BA35EB6C9@xxxxxx Quote: > No it isn't a case of impatience as it might seem on the surface. > It is actually crashing now and I have the following report that has been > sent automatically to Microsoft. I had what you may be seeing last night. It's not a hang; it's some kind of I/O loop. E.g. in Task Manager nothing was changing except I/O Other and that statistic was going up dramatically. FWIW I have changed my compaction interval to 1 so I have been getting that prompt every time I close WLMail. Last night was the first time I tried to say No to the prompt... So, if you were getting a non-displayable prompt (because you decide to Exit) and the default action in that state was No and this loop is always the result to replying No, I still think that would be the source of your symptom. ; ) Next time I get this I'm going to try to remember to use Process Explorer to see what files WLMail still has open. Quote: > Fault Module Name: UXCore.dll FWIW I have crashes in that module occasionally. Different offsets. (Just checked with evntvwr and there were more than I thought. <w>) It would probably be a good idea to use ProcMon to capture the Stack at the time of the crashes. Even better to have symbols enabled, so ProcMon could show you the routine names involved too. Before killing WLMail please confirm if you see the loop with I/O Other. As I explained it is a good idea to do that before killing it anyway, in case the loop really involves I/O Write, in which case you are risking corrupted files. Robert ---
My System Specs

12-27-2007	#26 (permalink)
Purple Edge n/a posts	Re: Tray icon does not dissapear when i close live mail At least we know now why it happens! I wonder if this is related to Windows Live Mail also polling for new messages even though I have that option disabled?
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