Vista Tutorial - multiple Inboxes

12-21-2007

"Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eHq6dlyQIHA.5288@xxxxxx

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> "Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@xxxxxx> wrote in message

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> news:#5DKD9xQIHA.1164@xxxxxx

What a coincidence! WLM obviously needs to escape that #.

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>> "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:O1EdzjvQIHA.3940@xxxxxx

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>>> It's been established that Quick views is fragile. When it breaks, the
>>> message count doesn't work and it will only show (mail) messages received
>>> after the accident. The treatment has been posted many times: delete
>>> HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail\SearchFolderVersion, and the
>>> prophylactic: don't delete any folder under Storage folders.

>

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>> Yet the latter is what Ron Sommer seems to be suggesting as the first step
>> in removing unwanted messages from the ("Quick View" of) All News <eg>

>
> There's a subtle difference. What breaks the Quick views is deleting, say,
> an empty Recovered items folder showing under Storage folders in the Folder
> pane - i.e. using the UI. Ron very bravely used Explorer to delete the
> newsgroup folder found in the Store folder, but found that a subsequent
> compaction - reindexing of the MessageStore - brought everything into line
> again. If this had caused a(nother) malfunction in Quick views, I think he'd
> have said so.

Yes, of course. Did you notice my smirk? ; )

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>

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>> news:%23xW9xtpLIHA.3940@xxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Unwanted newsgroup postings
>> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:10:49 -0600
>>
>> BTW I would have sworn that I had posted that news link correctly
>> yesterday
>> but somehow in Sent Items I found the %23 converted back to a #
>> (which won't work if you try to use it from the IE Address bar.)
>> In any case I am sending it today with %23. If it changes again
>> there is a bug somewhere.

So there *is* a bug in WLM about this. See the above Message-ID that you replied to. ; )
I have just gone back to repeat the Ctrl-Shift-F Find and Ctrl-g on the one from Ron that started
this little digression and confirmed that that would be how the error occurred in my original post.
Now that I am aware of the bug I will have to remember to do manual conversion of that character
even when I use Ctrl-g to generate a news: link (which rather defeats the purpose of going
to the trouble of doing a Ctrl-g in some cases anyway.)

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>
> That one works fine for me with its %23. Of the two in the preamble to this
> post, yours (which has a #) doesn't work, but mine (with neither # nor %23)
> does. What's your explanation for that?

# is one of the characters which must be escaped to be used as a URL.
Your Message-ID didn't contain any characters which required escaping.
Mine did.

Here specifically is the source of the problem:

http://www.rfc-archive.org/getrfc.php?rfc=3977

(Live Search for
RFC news NNTP "Message-ID"
)

<quotes>
9.8. General Non-terminals

message-id = "<" 1*248A-NOTGT ">"

A-NOTGT = %x21-3D / %x3F-7E ; exclude ">"

</quotes>

Elsewhere in the document that specification was interpreted as:

<quote>
For the purposes of this specification, message-ids are opaque strings
that MUST meet the following requirements:

o A message-id MUST begin with "<", end with ">", and MUST NOT
contain the latter except at the end.

o A message-id MUST be between 3 and 250 octets in length.

o A message-id MUST NOT contain octets other than printable US-ASCII
characters.
</quote>

Now you have to compare that spec. with this one:

http://rfc.sunsite.dk/rfc/rfc1738.html
(Live Search for
RFC news NNTP "Uniform Resource Locator"
)

<quotes>
url = httpurl | ftpurl | newsurl |
nntpurl | telneturl | gopherurl |
waisurl | mailtourl | fileurl |
prosperourl | otherurl

newsurl = "news:" grouppart
grouppart = "*" | group | article
group = alpha *[ alpha | digit | "-" | "." | "+" | "_" ]
article = 1*[ uchar | ";" | "/" | "?" | ":" | "&" | "=" ] "@" host

alpha = lowalpha | hialpha
digit = "0" | "1" | "2" | "3" | "4" | "5" | "6" | "7" |
"8" | "9"
safe = "$" | "-" | "_" | "." | "+"
extra = "!" | "*" | "'" | "(" | ")" | ","

escape = "%" hex hex

unreserved = alpha | digit | safe | extra
uchar = unreserved | escape
</quotes>

E.g. notice that the NNTP spec permits # in its definition of Message-ID
but the URL spec does not. Hence it has to be escaped to be used
in a URL, which is what prefixing the Message-ID stripped of its angle brackets
is supposed to be.

BTW this shows that $ is supposed to be safe but I think that I have seen
that OE usually escapes it too. E.g. $ represented in news: links by %24

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>
> I hope you noticed my post yesterday claiming that news: links invoke the
> default news server, not the one currently active.

Yes. That's the same as OE.

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>
> Whilst we're at it, why does your post have no Content-Type or charset
> header when mine do?
> --
> Noel

Probably a difference in our Send options.
I suspect it is just that for News, Plain Text I have UUEncode selected, not MIME.
Also ICIM I do not use Reply to messages in the format in which they were sent
and in International Send Settings I have: Western European (ISO) for my
characterset and I have checked: When replying to messages always use English
headers.

Robert
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12-21-2007

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"Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:u2CLNMoQIHA.1212@xxxxxx

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> Quick views is intended to give you this functionality. View > Layout >
> Folder pane > Show Quick views. Then right-click on Quick views and Select
> Quick views. All inbox will show you the contents of all three of your
> inboxes - and the rest you can probably work out for yourself.
> When in the All inbox Quick view, you will be able to click on a column
> header in the Message list and select Columns. If you make sure that
> Account is one of them, you'll be able to see at a glance which account
> which message belongs to. < < <

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> --
> Noel
>

Unfortunately, it doesn't work well on my system. Of 600 messages in 3
accounts only 1 message shows any account name. I don't know for sure if
this is just an isolated instance, but I doubt it.
--

Thanks, Mike - Windows XP Pro SP2 WLM 12.0.1606.1023

_______________________________________________

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>> "Ian M Reed" <ianmreed@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:7M-dncm0suXlH_TanZ2dnUVZ8uudnZ2d@xxxxxx
>> I have 3 email accounts - in OE there was only one Inbox/sent
>> folder/outbox covering all accounts - now I have to check through 3 of
>> each to find emails - is there a way to amalgamate the inboxes and other
>> folders into one as in OE
>>
>> Ian M Reed
>>

12-21-2007

"_mikebs" <someone@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:C6FF1DB8-2289-4BE7-B98C-5A8979CB6628@xxxxxx

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>
> _ _ _---
> "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:u2CLNMoQIHA.1212@xxxxxx

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>> Quick views is intended to give you this functionality. View > Layout > Folder pane > Show Quick views. Then right-click on
>> Quick views and Select Quick views. All inbox will show you the contents of all three of your inboxes - and the rest you can
>> probably work out for yourself.
>> When in the All inbox Quick view, you will be able to click on a column header in the Message list and select Columns. If you
>> make sure that Account is one of them, you'll be able to see at a glance which account which message belongs to. < < <

>

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>> --
>> Noel
>>

> Unfortunately, it doesn't work well on my system. Of 600 messages in 3 accounts only 1 message shows any account name. I don't
> know for sure if this is just an isolated instance, but I doubt it.

Mine is better, about 95% of messages in Quick Views show the account name.
Still, there is no excuse for the account name to be missing on any.

--
Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]

12-21-2007	#11 (permalink)
Robert Aldwinckle Guest n/a posts	Re: multiple Inboxes "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eHq6dlyQIHA.5288@xxxxxx Quote: > "Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@xxxxxx> wrote in message Quote: > news:#5DKD9xQIHA.1164@xxxxxx What a coincidence! WLM obviously needs to escape that #. Quote: Quote: >> "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:O1EdzjvQIHA.3940@xxxxxx Quote: >>> It's been established that Quick views is fragile. When it breaks, the >>> message count doesn't work and it will only show (mail) messages received >>> after the accident. The treatment has been posted many times: delete >>> HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows Live Mail\SearchFolderVersion, and the >>> prophylactic: don't delete any folder under Storage folders. > Quote: >> Yet the latter is what Ron Sommer seems to be suggesting as the first step >> in removing unwanted messages from the ("Quick View" of) All News <eg> > > There's a subtle difference. What breaks the Quick views is deleting, say, > an empty Recovered items folder showing under Storage folders in the Folder > pane - i.e. using the UI. Ron very bravely used Explorer to delete the > newsgroup folder found in the Store folder, but found that a subsequent > compaction - reindexing of the MessageStore - brought everything into line > again. If this had caused a(nother) malfunction in Quick views, I think he'd > have said so. Yes, of course. Did you notice my smirk? ; ) Quote: > Quote: >> news:%23xW9xtpLIHA.3940@xxxxxx >> Subject: Re: Unwanted newsgroup postings >> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:10:49 -0600 >> >> BTW I would have sworn that I had posted that news link correctly >> yesterday >> but somehow in Sent Items I found the %23 converted back to a # >> (which won't work if you try to use it from the IE Address bar.) >> In any case I am sending it today with %23. If it changes again >> there is a bug somewhere. So there is a bug in WLM about this. See the above Message-ID that you replied to. ; ) I have just gone back to repeat the Ctrl-Shift-F Find and Ctrl-g on the one from Ron that started this little digression and confirmed that that would be how the error occurred in my original post. Now that I am aware of the bug I will have to remember to do manual conversion of that character even when I use Ctrl-g to generate a news: link (which rather defeats the purpose of going to the trouble of doing a Ctrl-g in some cases anyway.) Quote: > > That one works fine for me with its %23. Of the two in the preamble to this > post, yours (which has a #) doesn't work, but mine (with neither # nor %23) > does. What's your explanation for that? # is one of the characters which must be escaped to be used as a URL. Your Message-ID didn't contain any characters which required escaping. Mine did. Here specifically is the source of the problem: http://www.rfc-archive.org/getrfc.php?rfc=3977 (Live Search for RFC news NNTP "Message-ID" ) <quotes> 9.8. General Non-terminals message-id = "<" 1248A-NOTGT ">" A-NOTGT = %x21-3D / %x3F-7E ; exclude ">" </quotes> Elsewhere in the document that specification was interpreted as: <quote> For the purposes of this specification, message-ids are opaque strings that MUST meet the following requirements: o A message-id MUST begin with "<", end with ">", and MUST NOT contain the latter except at the end. o A message-id MUST be between 3 and 250 octets in length. o A message-id MUST NOT contain octets other than printable US-ASCII characters. </quote> Now you have to compare that spec. with this one: http://rfc.sunsite.dk/rfc/rfc1738.html (Live Search for RFC news NNTP "Uniform Resource Locator" ) <quotes> url = httpurl \| ftpurl \| newsurl \| nntpurl \| telneturl \| gopherurl \| waisurl \| mailtourl \| fileurl \| prosperourl \| otherurl newsurl = "news:" grouppart grouppart = "" \| group \| article group = alpha [ alpha \| digit \| "-" \| "." \| "+" \| "_" ] article = 1[ uchar \| ";" \| "/" \| "?" \| ":" \| "&" \| "=" ] "@" host alpha = lowalpha \| hialpha digit = "0" \| "1" \| "2" \| "3" \| "4" \| "5" \| "6" \| "7" \| "8" \| "9" safe = "$" \| "-" \| "_" \| "." \| "+" extra = "!" \| "*" \| "'" \| "(" \| ")" \| "," escape = "%" hex hex unreserved = alpha \| digit \| safe \| extra uchar = unreserved \| escape </quotes> E.g. notice that the NNTP spec permits # in its definition of Message-ID but the URL spec does not. Hence it has to be escaped to be used in a URL, which is what prefixing the Message-ID stripped of its angle brackets is supposed to be. BTW this shows that $ is supposed to be safe but I think that I have seen that OE usually escapes it too. E.g. $ represented in news: links by %24 Quote: > > I hope you noticed my post yesterday claiming that news: links invoke the > default news server, not the one currently active. Yes. That's the same as OE. Quote: > > Whilst we're at it, why does your post have no Content-Type or charset > header when mine do? > -- > Noel Probably a difference in our Send options. I suspect it is just that for News, Plain Text I have UUEncode selected, not MIME. Also ICIM I do not use Reply to messages in the format in which they were sent and in International Send Settings I have: Western European (ISO) for my characterset and I have checked: When replying to messages always use English headers. Robert ---
My System Specs

12-21-2007	#12 (permalink)
_mikebs Guest n/a posts	Re: multiple Inboxes _ _ _--- "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:u2CLNMoQIHA.1212@xxxxxx Quote: > Quick views is intended to give you this functionality. View > Layout > > Folder pane > Show Quick views. Then right-click on Quick views and Select > Quick views. All inbox will show you the contents of all three of your > inboxes - and the rest you can probably work out for yourself. > When in the All inbox Quick view, you will be able to click on a column > header in the Message list and select Columns. If you make sure that > Account is one of them, you'll be able to see at a glance which account > which message belongs to. < < < Quote: > -- > Noel > Unfortunately, it doesn't work well on my system. Of 600 messages in 3 accounts only 1 message shows any account name. I don't know for sure if this is just an isolated instance, but I doubt it. -- Thanks, Mike - Windows XP Pro SP2 WLM 12.0.1606.1023 _______________________________________________ Quote: Quote: >> "Ian M Reed" <ianmreed@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:7M-dncm0suXlH_TanZ2dnUVZ8uudnZ2d@xxxxxx >> I have 3 email accounts - in OE there was only one Inbox/sent >> folder/outbox covering all accounts - now I have to check through 3 of >> each to find emails - is there a way to amalgamate the inboxes and other >> folders into one as in OE >> >> Ian M Reed >>
My System Specs

12-21-2007	#13 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen Guest n/a posts	Re: multiple Inboxes "_mikebs" <someone@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:C6FF1DB8-2289-4BE7-B98C-5A8979CB6628@xxxxxx Quote: > > _ _ _--- > "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:u2CLNMoQIHA.1212@xxxxxx Quote: >> Quick views is intended to give you this functionality. View > Layout > Folder pane > Show Quick views. Then right-click on >> Quick views and Select Quick views. All inbox will show you the contents of all three of your inboxes - and the rest you can >> probably work out for yourself. >> When in the All inbox Quick view, you will be able to click on a column header in the Message list and select Columns. If you >> make sure that Account is one of them, you'll be able to see at a glance which account which message belongs to. < < < > Quote: >> -- >> Noel >> > Unfortunately, it doesn't work well on my system. Of 600 messages in 3 accounts only 1 message shows any account name. I don't > know for sure if this is just an isolated instance, but I doubt it. Mine is better, about 95% of messages in Quick Views show the account name. Still, there is no excuse for the account name to be missing on any. -- Gary VanderMolen [MS-MVP WLM]
My System Specs

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