Just installed Live Mail, but find that WDS still indexes (only) at Outlook
Express emails. There seems to be no option in WDS to include LM in the
email search.



Am I missing something? Does anyone know how to force WDS to index emails
stored in Live Mail?
Help appreciated - ff

Works fine for me. Make sure your Store folder (Options > Advanced >
Maintenance > Store folder button will tell you where it is) is marked for
indexing (Right-click on the folder in Explorer, select Properties > General
tab > Advanced button) and included in indexed locations in WDS (Click on
the tray icon and select WDS Search options > Modify to select the Store
folder). Check also that on the Advanced > File types tab, eml and nws files
are included and the option to Index properties and file contents is
selected. OK your way out, then go to bed.

The default Store folder location (in %userprofile%\Local Settings) is by
default excluded from the WDS index.
--
Noel


"first500" <first500@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:52260594-E471-42F1-B365-490A9ADF06CD@xxxxxx

> Just installed Live Mail, but find that WDS still indexes (only) at
> Outlook
> Express emails. There seems to be no option in WDS to include LM in the
> email search.
>
> Am I missing something? Does anyone know how to force WDS to index emails
> stored in Live Mail?
> Help appreciated - ff

Wow! Ildhund - thanks for step by steps. Much appreciated. I had kinda
naively assumed that LM would be picked up automatically - just like OE had
been when WDS was first installed.

will give it a go. Thanks

"Ildhund" wrote:

> Works fine for me. Make sure your Store folder (Options > Advanced >
> Maintenance > Store folder button will tell you where it is) is marked for
> indexing (Right-click on the folder in Explorer, select Properties > General
> tab > Advanced button) and included in indexed locations in WDS (Click on
> the tray icon and select WDS Search options > Modify to select the Store
> folder). Check also that on the Advanced > File types tab, eml and nws files
> are included and the option to Index properties and file contents is
> selected. OK your way out, then go to bed.
>
> The default Store folder location (in %userprofile%\Local Settings) is by
> default excluded from the WDS index.
> --
> Noel
>
>
> "first500" <first500@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:52260594-E471-42F1-B365-490A9ADF06CD@xxxxxx

> > Just installed Live Mail, but find that WDS still indexes (only) at
> > Outlook
> > Express emails. There seems to be no option in WDS to include LM in the
> > email search.
> >
> > Am I missing something? Does anyone know how to force WDS to index emails
> > stored in Live Mail?
> > Help appreciated - ff

>
>
>

I have followed the instructions below. Emails are now indexed, but.....

a) the title is shown as a file name, eg 17CF2AA2-0000000A3.eml
b) the email opens up in OE, even though WLM is set as the default email
client
c) WDS will only index emails that have been opened (presume the email has
thus been downloaded to a file in the WLM folder.

Not really satisfactory. Are there other settings that need to be changed
to make WLM store emails in a form compatible with WDS.

One other thing: The "All Locations" pull-down in WDS only shows options for
"Files" or "Outlook Express". Live Mail not mentioned. Hope this helps

"Ildhund" wrote:

> Works fine for me. Make sure your Store folder (Options > Advanced >
> Maintenance > Store folder button will tell you where it is) is marked for
> indexing (Right-click on the folder in Explorer, select Properties > General
> tab > Advanced button) and included in indexed locations in WDS (Click on
> the tray icon and select WDS Search options > Modify to select the Store
> folder). Check also that on the Advanced > File types tab, eml and nws files
> are included and the option to Index properties and file contents is
> selected. OK your way out, then go to bed.
>
> The default Store folder location (in %userprofile%\Local Settings) is by
> default excluded from the WDS index.
> --
> Noel
>
>
> "first500" <first500@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:52260594-E471-42F1-B365-490A9ADF06CD@xxxxxx

> > Just installed Live Mail, but find that WDS still indexes (only) at
> > Outlook
> > Express emails. There seems to be no option in WDS to include LM in the
> > email search.
> >
> > Am I missing something? Does anyone know how to force WDS to index emails
> > stored in Live Mail?
> > Help appreciated - ff

>
>
>

OK. Comments inline...

first500 wrote...

> I have followed the instructions below. Emails are now indexed, but.....

> a) the title is shown as a file name, eg 17CF2AA2-0000000A3.eml

Yep. A raw .eml file has no document properties to speak of (like Title,
Subject, Author etc). The file name is all that WDS has to go by, and the
developers chose this arcane file-naming convention, probably to deter
people like me from messing about with files in the Store folder. If you do
do that, you foul up the database and create all sorts of trouble.

> b) the email opens up in OE, even though WLM is set as the default email
> client

Quick and dirty: right-click on an eml file name (you can do it in a WDS
window) and select Open with. Select "Always use this program...", browse to
wlmail.exe and OK your way out. Same again for nws. Posh way: Control Panel

> Folder options > File types, find EML (and NWS) and click Change. Browse

to Windows Live Mail or wlmail.exe.

> c) WDS will only index emails that have been opened (presume the email has
> thus been downloaded to a file in the WLM folder.

Don't know about this - I haven't got any unread e-mails to play with. It
will depend, of course, on your synchronization settings. If you download
Headers only, then there isn't anything to index yet. But I would have
thought that a downloaded message body would get indexed regardless of
whether it had been read or not.

> Not really satisfactory. Are there other settings that need to be changed
> to make WLM store emails in a form compatible with WDS.

If you drag an eml or nws file from WLMail to your desktop, it will appear
with FileName = Subject: and DateModified=Date:, and so be indexed by WDS
with this new file name as Title. (The "Date modified" on an eml file in the
file system is the date and time it was written to the database, not the
Date: field of the message itself). This seems, though, to be a lot of
effort for little gain.

> One other thing: The "All Locations" pull-down in WDS only shows options
> for "Files" or "Outlook Express". Live Mail not mentioned.

That's because it's covered by Files. OE stores its messages in a
portmanteau database file called *.dbx, whereas WLMail stores them as
individual files. You do have an "E-mail" button a bit further right which
will restrict your search to eml and nws (and, I think, RSS) files.

Now, having said all that, I personally find that I don't use the WDS search
facility much to find messages. I just use the "Find a message" box in
WLMail - this accesses the WDS index and produces results very quickly,
within a particular folder or in "All e-mail" or "All news". If I need to
find messages From but not To a particular individual, then Edit > Find
(Ctrl-Shift-F) works well, but slowly compared with the 'Find a message'
wordwheel.

Oh, and one more thing I remembered while reading this through before
hitting 'Send'. EML and NWS files are plain text files. I have the file
associations for EML and NWS set to Notepad. This doesn't affect the
workings of WLMail, but it does mean that if the mail program is not
running, I can still view a mail message without waiting for WLMail to start
up.

Happier now?
--
Noel

> "Ildhund" wrote:
>

>> Works fine for me. Make sure your Store folder (Options > Advanced >
>> Maintenance > Store folder button will tell you where it is) is marked
>> for
>> indexing (Right-click on the folder in Explorer, select Properties >
>> General
>> tab > Advanced button) and included in indexed locations in WDS (Click on
>> the tray icon and select WDS Search options > Modify to select the Store
>> folder). Check also that on the Advanced > File types tab, eml and nws
>> files
>> are included and the option to Index properties and file contents is
>> selected. OK your way out, then go to bed.
>>
>> The default Store folder location (in %userprofile%\Local Settings) is by
>> default excluded from the WDS index.
>> --
>> Noel
>>
>>
>> "first500" <first500@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:52260594-E471-42F1-B365-490A9ADF06CD@xxxxxx

>> > Just installed Live Mail, but find that WDS still indexes (only) at
>> > Outlook
>> > Express emails. There seems to be no option in WDS to include LM in
>> > the
>> > email search.
>> >
>> > Am I missing something? Does anyone know how to force WDS to index
>> > emails
>> > stored in Live Mail?
>> > Help appreciated - ff

>>
>>
>>

Happier.... and a bit disappointed that MS can't integrate search all in one
place.

Relieved that I can move on! Will try out search within LM - I had assumed
it was as poor as that within OE, but from your remarks it looks like it may
be a bit better.

Comprehensive reply much, much appreciated.

ff

"Ildhund" wrote:

> OK. Comments inline...
>
> first500 wrote...

> > I have followed the instructions below. Emails are now indexed, but.....

>

> > a) the title is shown as a file name, eg 17CF2AA2-0000000A3.eml

>
> Yep. A raw .eml file has no document properties to speak of (like Title,
> Subject, Author etc). The file name is all that WDS has to go by, and the
> developers chose this arcane file-naming convention, probably to deter
> people like me from messing about with files in the Store folder. If you do
> do that, you foul up the database and create all sorts of trouble.
>

> > b) the email opens up in OE, even though WLM is set as the default email
> > client

>
> Quick and dirty: right-click on an eml file name (you can do it in a WDS
> window) and select Open with. Select "Always use this program...", browse to
> wlmail.exe and OK your way out. Same again for nws. Posh way: Control Panel

> > Folder options > File types, find EML (and NWS) and click Change. Browse

> to Windows Live Mail or wlmail.exe.
>

> > c) WDS will only index emails that have been opened (presume the email has
> > thus been downloaded to a file in the WLM folder.

>
> Don't know about this - I haven't got any unread e-mails to play with. It
> will depend, of course, on your synchronization settings. If you download
> Headers only, then there isn't anything to index yet. But I would have
> thought that a downloaded message body would get indexed regardless of
> whether it had been read or not.
>

> > Not really satisfactory. Are there other settings that need to be changed
> > to make WLM store emails in a form compatible with WDS.

>
> If you drag an eml or nws file from WLMail to your desktop, it will appear
> with FileName = Subject: and DateModified=Date:, and so be indexed by WDS
> with this new file name as Title. (The "Date modified" on an eml file in the
> file system is the date and time it was written to the database, not the
> Date: field of the message itself). This seems, though, to be a lot of
> effort for little gain.
>

> > One other thing: The "All Locations" pull-down in WDS only shows options
> > for "Files" or "Outlook Express". Live Mail not mentioned.

>
> That's because it's covered by Files. OE stores its messages in a
> portmanteau database file called *.dbx, whereas WLMail stores them as
> individual files. You do have an "E-mail" button a bit further right which
> will restrict your search to eml and nws (and, I think, RSS) files.
>
> Now, having said all that, I personally find that I don't use the WDS search
> facility much to find messages. I just use the "Find a message" box in
> WLMail - this accesses the WDS index and produces results very quickly,
> within a particular folder or in "All e-mail" or "All news". If I need to
> find messages From but not To a particular individual, then Edit > Find
> (Ctrl-Shift-F) works well, but slowly compared with the 'Find a message'
> wordwheel.
>
> Oh, and one more thing I remembered while reading this through before
> hitting 'Send'. EML and NWS files are plain text files. I have the file
> associations for EML and NWS set to Notepad. This doesn't affect the
> workings of WLMail, but it does mean that if the mail program is not
> running, I can still view a mail message without waiting for WLMail to start
> up.
>
> Happier now?
> --
> Noel
>

> > "Ildhund" wrote:
> >

> >> Works fine for me. Make sure your Store folder (Options > Advanced >
> >> Maintenance > Store folder button will tell you where it is) is marked
> >> for
> >> indexing (Right-click on the folder in Explorer, select Properties >
> >> General
> >> tab > Advanced button) and included in indexed locations in WDS (Click on
> >> the tray icon and select WDS Search options > Modify to select the Store
> >> folder). Check also that on the Advanced > File types tab, eml and nws
> >> files
> >> are included and the option to Index properties and file contents is
> >> selected. OK your way out, then go to bed.
> >>
> >> The default Store folder location (in %userprofile%\Local Settings) is by
> >> default excluded from the WDS index.
> >> --
> >> Noel
> >>
> >>
> >> "first500" <first500@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:52260594-E471-42F1-B365-490A9ADF06CD@xxxxxx
> >> > Just installed Live Mail, but find that WDS still indexes (only) at
> >> > Outlook
> >> > Express emails. There seems to be no option in WDS to include LM in
> >> > the
> >> > email search.
> >> >
> >> > Am I missing something? Does anyone know how to force WDS to index
> >> > emails
> >> > stored in Live Mail?
> >> > Help appreciated - ff
> >>
> >>
> >>

>
>

Hi, I've followed your indications and eveything is correct, except that it
won't search text within email messages. It shows sender or subject content,
but not the text itself. Is there a way to work? Thx.

"Ildhund" wrote:

> Works fine for me. Make sure your Store folder (Options > Advanced >
> Maintenance > Store folder button will tell you where it is) is marked for
> indexing (Right-click on the folder in Explorer, select Properties > General
> tab > Advanced button) and included in indexed locations in WDS (Click on
> the tray icon and select WDS Search options > Modify to select the Store
> folder). Check also that on the Advanced > File types tab, eml and nws files
> are included and the option to Index properties and file contents is
> selected. OK your way out, then go to bed.
>
> The default Store folder location (in %userprofile%\Local Settings) is by
> default excluded from the WDS index.
> --
> Noel
>
>
> "first500" <first500@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:52260594-E471-42F1-B365-490A9ADF06CD@xxxxxx

> > Just installed Live Mail, but find that WDS still indexes (only) at
> > Outlook
> > Express emails. There seems to be no option in WDS to include LM in the
> > email search.
> >
> > Am I missing something? Does anyone know how to force WDS to index emails
> > stored in Live Mail?
> > Help appreciated - ff

>
>
>

First, please ensure that all the settings are as they should be. Check that
on the WDS Search options > Advanced > File types tab that the entries for
eml and nws have Index properties and file contents selected. The Filter
description should show C:\WINDOWS\system32\mimefilt.dll. If it doesn't, you
should uninstall and reinstall WDS.

Did you Rebuild your index after making changes to the settings? This would
probably happen automatically, which is why I didn't mention it before.

Try closing down WDS, rebooting and then restarting it.

If it's still not working properly, it may be necessary to uninstall it
using Add or remove programs and then reinstall it. If you still have the
installer package (something like
WindowsDesktopSearch-KB917013-V301-XP-x86-ENU.MSI), you can right-click on
it and select Repair instead.

In any case, you'll have to wait until WDS has finished indexing before
getting reliable results, and that could take several hours. Please report
back whatever happens, so others can benefit from your experience.
--
Noel

"wyup" <wyup@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:7163B654-BE9A-4270-80CF-D8B6A0ECD9E0@xxxxxx

> Hi, I've followed your indications and eveything is correct, except that
> it
> won't search text within email messages. It shows sender or subject
> content,
> but not the text itself. Is there a way to work? Thx.
>
> "Ildhund" wrote:
>

>> Works fine for me. Make sure your Store folder (Options > Advanced >
>> Maintenance > Store folder button will tell you where it is) is marked
>> for
>> indexing (Right-click on the folder in Explorer, select Properties >
>> General
>> tab > Advanced button) and included in indexed locations in WDS (Click on
>> the tray icon and select WDS Search options > Modify to select the Store
>> folder). Check also that on the Advanced > File types tab, eml and nws
>> files
>> are included and the option to Index properties and file contents is
>> selected. OK your way out, then go to bed.
>>
>> The default Store folder location (in %userprofile%\Local Settings) is by
>> default excluded from the WDS index.
>> --
>> Noel
>>
>>
>> "first500" <first500@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:52260594-E471-42F1-B365-490A9ADF06CD@xxxxxx

>> > Just installed Live Mail, but find that WDS still indexes (only) at
>> > Outlook
>> > Express emails. There seems to be no option in WDS to include LM in
>> > the
>> > email search.
>> >
>> > Am I missing something? Does anyone know how to force WDS to index
>> > emails
>> > stored in Live Mail?
>> > Help appreciated - ff

>>
>>
>>

Hi again,

After checking again I've forgot to say that I'm using Windows Live Mail as
my email client. Local help from WDS says it's only compatible with Outlook
2007 and Outlook Express. However I made sure and added my WLM mail folder
and included the eml properties and content extension, but it won't give
result for any mail search, just other documents.

I can search subjects from within Windows Live Mail, though, but it doesn't
seem to search email contents either, even after installing WDS 3.1 ,as it
prompted previously.
So I wonder whether WDS is useful to me since it does not search more that
it did before without it even from Windows Live Mail. Am I correct?

thx again

"Ildhund" wrote:

> First, please ensure that all the sehttp://www.microsoft.com/wn3/aspx/postui.aspx?mid=dea7a750-4589-4d0b-a788-714f05bede15&guid=&sloc=en-us&dg=microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop&base=http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx&bclr=ececec&fclr=000000&sxml=http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/site.xml&stgxml=http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/settings.xml&sdgloc=en-US&tt=1ttings are as they should be. Check that
> on the WDS Search options > Advanced > File types tab that the entries for
> eml and nws have Index properties and file contents selected. The Filter
> description should show C:\WINDOWS\system32\mimefilt.dll. If it doesn't, you
> should uninstall and reinstall WDS.
>
> Did you Rebuild your index after making changes to the settings? This would
> probably happen automatically, which is why I didn't mention it before.
>
> Try closing down WDS, rebooting and then restarting it.
>
> If it's still not working properly, it may be necessary to uninstall it
> using Add or remove programs and then reinstall it. If you still have the
> installer package (something like
> WindowsDesktopSearch-KB917013-V301-XP-x86-ENU.MSI), you can right-click on
> it and select Repair instead.
>
> In any case, you'll have to wait until WDS has finished indexing before
> getting reliable results, and that could take several hours. Please report
> back whatever happens, so others can benefit from your experience.
> --
> Noel
>
> "wyup" <wyup@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:7163B654-BE9A-4270-80CF-D8B6A0ECD9E0@xxxxxx

> > Hi, I've followed your indications and eveything is correct, except that
> > it
> > won't search text within email messages. It shows sender or subject
> > content,
> > but not the text itself. Is there a way to work? Thx.
> >
> > "Ildhund" wrote:
> >

> >> Works fine for me. Make sure your Store folder (Options > Advanced >
> >> Maintenance > Store folder button will tell you where it is) is marked
> >> for
> >> indexing (Right-click on the folder in Explorer, select Properties >
> >> General
> >> tab > Advanced button) and included in indexed locations in WDS (Click on
> >> the tray icon and select WDS Search options > Modify to select the Store
> >> folder). Check also that on the Advanced > File types tab, eml and nws
> >> files
> >> are included and the option to Index properties and file contents is
> >> selected. OK your way out, then go to bed.
> >>
> >> The default Store folder location (in %userprofile%\Local Settings) is by
> >> default excluded from the WDS index.
> >> --
> >> Noel
> >>
> >>
> >> "first500" <first500@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:52260594-E471-42F1-B365-490A9ADF06CD@xxxxxx
> >> > Just installed Live Mail, but find that WDS still indexes (only) at
> >> > Outlook
> >> > Express emails. There seems to be no option in WDS to include LM in
> >> > the
> >> > email search.
> >> >
> >> > Am I missing something? Does anyone know how to force WDS to index
> >> > emails
> >> > stored in Live Mail?
> >> > Help appreciated - ff
> >>
> >>
> >>

>

I too am trying to get WDS 3.01 to index my Windows Live Mail. I have WDS
set to index the Windows Live Mail Folders. And the .eml settings are set to
index contents. I've tried everything I've heard suggested. I even
reformatted my computer and reinstalled Windows with still no success.

Are some people actually getting WDS to index the contents of their emails?
I'd like to hear someone say that they have definitely gotten search results
that had to come from the text within the email, not just the subject.

I can't get any results at all!!! I can search the subject and the To/From
fields from within Windows Live Mail, but if I type a word that is in the
message body of an email, I get no results. And yes, I've given it plenty of
time and waited until it said it was done.



"wyup" wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> After checking again I've forgot to say that I'm using Windows Live Mail as
> my email client. Local help from WDS says it's only compatible with Outlook
> 2007 and Outlook Express. However I made sure and added my WLM mail folder
> and included the eml properties and content extension, but it won't give
> result for any mail search, just other documents.
>
> I can search subjects from within Windows Live Mail, though, but it doesn't
> seem to search email contents either, even after installing WDS 3.1 ,as it
> prompted previously.
> So I wonder whether WDS is useful to me since it does not search more that
> it did before without it even from Windows Live Mail. Am I correct?
>
> thx again
>
> "Ildhund" wrote:
>

> > First, please ensure that all the sehttp://www.microsoft.com/wn3/aspx/postui.aspx?mid=dea7a750-4589-4d0b-a788-714f05bede15&guid=&sloc=en-us&dg=microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop&base=http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx&bclr=ececec&fclr=000000&sxml=http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/site.xml&stgxml=http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/settings.xml&sdgloc=en-US&tt=1ttings are as they should be. Check that
> > on the WDS Search options > Advanced > File types tab that the entries for
> > eml and nws have Index properties and file contents selected. The Filter
> > description should show C:\WINDOWS\system32\mimefilt.dll. If it doesn't, you
> > should uninstall and reinstall WDS.
> >
> > Did you Rebuild your index after making changes to the settings? This would
> > probably happen automatically, which is why I didn't mention it before.
> >
> > Try closing down WDS, rebooting and then restarting it.
> >
> > If it's still not working properly, it may be necessary to uninstall it
> > using Add or remove programs and then reinstall it. If you still have the
> > installer package (something like
> > WindowsDesktopSearch-KB917013-V301-XP-x86-ENU.MSI), you can right-click on
> > it and select Repair instead.
> >
> > In any case, you'll have to wait until WDS has finished indexing before
> > getting reliable results, and that could take several hours. Please report
> > back whatever happens, so others can benefit from your experience.
> > --
> > Noel
> >
> > "wyup" <wyup@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:7163B654-BE9A-4270-80CF-D8B6A0ECD9E0@xxxxxx

> > > Hi, I've followed your indications and eveything is correct, except that
> > > it
> > > won't search text within email messages. It shows sender or subject
> > > content,
> > > but not the text itself. Is there a way to work? Thx.
> > >
> > > "Ildhund" wrote:
> > >
> > >> Works fine for me. Make sure your Store folder (Options > Advanced >
> > >> Maintenance > Store folder button will tell you where it is) is marked
> > >> for
> > >> indexing (Right-click on the folder in Explorer, select Properties >
> > >> General
> > >> tab > Advanced button) and included in indexed locations in WDS (Click on
> > >> the tray icon and select WDS Search options > Modify to select the Store
> > >> folder). Check also that on the Advanced > File types tab, eml and nws
> > >> files
> > >> are included and the option to Index properties and file contents is
> > >> selected. OK your way out, then go to bed.
> > >>
> > >> The default Store folder location (in %userprofile%\Local Settings) is by
> > >> default excluded from the WDS index.
> > >> --
> > >> Noel
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "first500" <first500@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> > >> news:52260594-E471-42F1-B365-490A9ADF06CD@xxxxxx
> > >> > Just installed Live Mail, but find that WDS still indexes (only) at
> > >> > Outlook
> > >> > Express emails. There seems to be no option in WDS to include LM in
> > >> > the
> > >> > email search.
> > >> >
> > >> > Am I missing something? Does anyone know how to force WDS to index
> > >> > emails
> > >> > stored in Live Mail?
> > >> > Help appreciated - ff
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>

> >