Vista - Message Rules

03-03-2008

What's wrong with 'Add sender to blocked senders' list', which seems to do
precisely what you want? You'll have to delete the first message yourself,
but you shouldn't see any more messages from that address except perhaps in
your Junk e-mail folder. You get the option by right-clicking on a message
in the Message list and selecting 'Junk e-mail'. This only applies to POP3
mail, but since you've been laboriously creating rules, I assume it's a POP
account you're referring to.

That said, there is a limit (250?) to the number of blocked senders you can
have in your list. Spammers tend to use 'throwaway' addresses - use once,
then never again, just to ensure that blocking won't affect their evil
habit. One good way to invite spam is to display your real e-mail address in
public newsgroups like this one. Spammers use robots to trawl through
newsgroups, fora and websites looking for addresses to spam. It's easy
enough to 'munge' your address to spoil their fun, so I do recommend you to
do it.

Lastly, pressing F1 never broke anything, and would have told you how to
block senders...
--
Noel
[about to change his name to 'Toad of Conduct']

"Averice" <Averice@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OpaRKTVfIHA.748@xxxxxx

Quote:

> I wish there was an answer to this problem. I'm looking for an email
> client that allows me to easily set up email filter rules with a minimum
> number of clicks. I get hundreds of spam messages from individual email
> addresses, and I would like to be able to click on a toolbar icon and add
> the 'from' field to a 'ban and delete' rule. What's so hard about that?
> As it stands now, the process is:
> Click on properties for an email,
> Highlight and save *just* the displayed 'from' name, (It frequently
> gets confused if one uses the whole line)
> Open Tools/Message Rules/Mail, and select a particular rule
> Open the rule, paste the 'from' field, click 'add', and OK twice out of
> the box
> Proceed to next message and repeat.
>
> It's a foolish waste of time and effort. This is something that should be
> easy, not a throwback to the olden days.
> And I agree with everything 'fewdots' said.
>
> "fewdots" <fewdots@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:4019DB60-9352-4DE8-8917-76DC87408ED7@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> As a rider to my previous posting.... I've checked the header of mails
>> received from people not in my address book and they are in exactly the
>> same
>> format. The From name is not necessarily as it is on my own record but
>> is
>> taken from the user info when they have set up the account in their own
>> mail
>> application. I've just sent myself emails from different accounts and
>> different applications (WLM & OE), changing the name in my account
>> settings,
>> and got a different result on each one!
>>
>> fewdots
>>
>> "fewdots" wrote:
>>

Quote:

>>> Hi again Noel
>>>
>>> The problem is with ALL rules, not just the one. I've just checked the
>>> header of a received message and (substituting real names, for example
>>> purposes) the From line reads:
>>>
>>> From: "Fred Bloggs" <fbloggs@xxxxxx>
>>>
>>> So, the rule will work if I tell it to check for Fred Bloggs, but not if
>>> I
>>> ask it to check for fbloggs@xxxxxx, which is the default generated
>>> by
>>> adding from the Contact list or from a received message.
>>>
>>> fewdots
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ildhund" wrote:
>>>
>>> > Unless there is a good reason for not doing so, all rules should end
>>> > with
>>> > Stop processing. Mark one of the messages that the <email address>
>>> > rule
>>> > doesn't work for and press Ctrl-F3 to expose the headers. Only one of
>>> > the
>>> > lines should start with "From:", and the only element it must contain
>>> > according to RFC2822 is an email address. The name part is optional,
>>> > so
>>> > that's why an automatically formed rule looks for the address.
>>> >
>>> > If all your exclusive rules end with Stop processing..., I can't think
>>> > why
>>> > this is happening. Is the rule that's not working at the top of the
>>> > list? If
>>> > not, does it work if you move it to the top? What action is the rule
>>> > supposed to carry out? If you change it to something else, like
>>> > Highlight it
>>> > with a colour, does it still not work? It's not entirely clear from
>>> > your
>>> > post whether this is a problem with all rules of this type (where the
>>> > From
>>> > line contains people) or just some of them.
>>> > --
>>> > Noel
>>> >
>>> > "fewdots" <fewdots@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> > news:BD8DD738-95BC-416F-9990-9B1D4AF9BAC2@xxxxxx
>>> >
>>> > > Tried that but it doesn't work. The problem is that WLM wants to
>>> > > put the
>>> > > email address in the 'Where the From line contains' option but it
>>> > > only
>>> > > works
>>> > > if you put the display name there.... because that's what actually
>>> > > appears
>>> > > on
>>> > > the From field. I've tried this today on a virgin system and it's
>>> > > still
>>> > > wrong. However, creating an identical rule in an identical fashion
>>> > > in OE
>>> > > gives the display name and the rule is applied correctly.
>>> > >
>>> > > I apply rules to almost 800 contacts and the only way I can get then
>>> > > to
>>> > > apply is to manually enter the display name in the rule!!
>>> >
>>> > > "Ildhund" wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Did you finish off your rule with "and Stop processing more rules?"
>>> > >> If
>>> > >> not,
>>> > >> try doing so and see if the rule works then. When setting up a rule
>>> > >> for a
>>> > >> number of contacts, you can select them all in the Contacts
>>> > >> dialogue box
>>> > >> before clicking To:
>>> > >> --
>>> > >> Noel
>>> > >>
>>> > >> "fewdots" <fewdots@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> > >> news:9C0D9F1C-A580-4512-8D31-E1CBC3552F0E@xxxxxx
>>> > >> > Hi RC
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Thank you for your response but I'm afraid that exactly the same
>>> > >> > thing
>>> > >> > happens when I create the rule from the message. It creates the
>>> > >> > rule
>>> > >> > for
>>> > >> > fbloggs@xxxxxx but won't apply it until I change the 'from'
>>> > >> > to
>>> > >> > Fred
>>> > >> > Bloggs, which is the contact name. That also doesn't help when I
>>> > >> > need
>>> > >> > to
>>> > >> > create one rule for a group of people.... which has just given me
>>> > >> > an
>>> > >> > idea....
>>> > >> > maybe I can include a block of individuals within a group and
>>> > >> > then
>>> > >> > apply a
>>> > >> > rule to the group?
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Very strange that an automatic process appears to be using a
>>> > >> > different
>>> > >> > criterion to the one that created it, which is why I wondered if
>>> > >> > I was
>>> > >> > missing a system parameter somewhere!
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > fewdots
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > "R. C. White" wrote:
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >> Hi, fewdots.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> One way to handle this is to highlight Fred's message, then
>>> > >> >> click
>>> > >> >> Actions
>>> > >> >> |
>>> > >> >> Create rule from message. The Rules screen should open with the
>>> > >> >> From...
>>> > >> >> box
>>> > >> >> already checked and Fred's full address already entered in the
>>> > >> >> description
>>> > >> >> box. You may edit it if you like, but what is already entered
>>> > >> >> should
>>> > >> >> be
>>> > >> >> correct since it is taken from Fred's message. It probably will
>>> > >> >> show
>>> > >> >> both
>>> > >> >> Fred Bloggs and his email address.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> RC
>>> > >> >> --
>>> > >> >> R. C. White, CPA
>>> > >> >> San Marcos, TX
>>> > >> >> rc@xxxxxx
>>> > >> >> Microsoft Windows MVP
>>> > >> >> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64)
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> "fewdots" <fewdots@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> > >> >> news:C3E2F5A2-2D6F-49E7-B57C-B7747FE702F9@xxxxxx
>>> > >> >> > v2008 (12.0.1606)
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > When I try to set up a message rules for several contacts I
>>> > >> >> > add them
>>> > >> >> > from
>>> > >> >> > the contacts book. However the contact 'Fred Bloggs' has an
>>> > >> >> > email
>>> > >> >> > address
>>> > >> >> > 'fbloggs@xxxxxx' and selecting him places the email
>>> > >> >> > address,
>>> > >> >> > rather
>>> > >> >> > than the contact name, into the rule. As the message is
>>> > >> >> > received
>>> > >> >> > from
>>> > >> >> > Fred
>>> > >> >> > Bloggs, the rule is not applied.
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > I have hundreds of contacts from a variety of organisations
>>> > >> >> > and
>>> > >> >> > don't
>>> > >> >> > want
>>> > >> >> > to have to type these in manually. Am I doing something daft?
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> >
>>> >

03-03-2008

Setting up message rules for garden variety spam is an exercise
in futility. Spammers seldom use the same 'From' address twice.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)

"Averice" <Averice@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OpaRKTVfIHA.748@xxxxxx

Quote:

>I wish there was an answer to this problem. I'm looking for an email client that allows me to easily set up email filter rules
>with a minimum number of clicks. I get hundreds of spam messages from individual email addresses, and I would like to be able to
>click on a toolbar icon and add the 'from' field to a 'ban and delete' rule. What's so hard about that?
> As it stands now, the process is:
> Click on properties for an email,
> Highlight and save *just* the displayed 'from' name, (It frequently gets confused if one uses the whole line)
> Open Tools/Message Rules/Mail, and select a particular rule
> Open the rule, paste the 'from' field, click 'add', and OK twice out of the box
> Proceed to next message and repeat.
>
> It's a foolish waste of time and effort. This is something that should be easy, not a throwback to the olden days.
> And I agree with everything 'fewdots' said.
>
> "fewdots" <fewdots@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:4019DB60-9352-4DE8-8917-76DC87408ED7@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> As a rider to my previous posting.... I've checked the header of mails
>> received from people not in my address book and they are in exactly the same
>> format. The From name is not necessarily as it is on my own record but is
>> taken from the user info when they have set up the account in their own mail
>> application. I've just sent myself emails from different accounts and
>> different applications (WLM & OE), changing the name in my account settings,
>> and got a different result on each one!
>>
>> fewdots
>>
>> "fewdots" wrote:
>>

Quote:

>>> Hi again Noel
>>>
>>> The problem is with ALL rules, not just the one. I've just checked the
>>> header of a received message and (substituting real names, for example
>>> purposes) the From line reads:
>>>
>>> From: "Fred Bloggs" <fbloggs@xxxxxx>
>>>
>>> So, the rule will work if I tell it to check for Fred Bloggs, but not if I
>>> ask it to check for fbloggs@xxxxxx, which is the default generated by
>>> adding from the Contact list or from a received message.
>>>
>>> fewdots
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ildhund" wrote:
>>>
>>> > Unless there is a good reason for not doing so, all rules should end with
>>> > Stop processing. Mark one of the messages that the <email address> rule
>>> > doesn't work for and press Ctrl-F3 to expose the headers. Only one of the
>>> > lines should start with "From:", and the only element it must contain
>>> > according to RFC2822 is an email address. The name part is optional, so
>>> > that's why an automatically formed rule looks for the address.
>>> >
>>> > If all your exclusive rules end with Stop processing..., I can't think why
>>> > this is happening. Is the rule that's not working at the top of the list? If
>>> > not, does it work if you move it to the top? What action is the rule
>>> > supposed to carry out? If you change it to something else, like Highlight it
>>> > with a colour, does it still not work? It's not entirely clear from your
>>> > post whether this is a problem with all rules of this type (where the From
>>> > line contains people) or just some of them.
>>> > --
>>> > Noel
>>> >
>>> > "fewdots" <fewdots@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> > news:BD8DD738-95BC-416F-9990-9B1D4AF9BAC2@xxxxxx
>>> >
>>> > > Tried that but it doesn't work. The problem is that WLM wants to put the
>>> > > email address in the 'Where the From line contains' option but it only
>>> > > works
>>> > > if you put the display name there.... because that's what actually appears
>>> > > on
>>> > > the From field. I've tried this today on a virgin system and it's still
>>> > > wrong. However, creating an identical rule in an identical fashion in OE
>>> > > gives the display name and the rule is applied correctly.
>>> > >
>>> > > I apply rules to almost 800 contacts and the only way I can get then to
>>> > > apply is to manually enter the display name in the rule!!
>>> >
>>> > > "Ildhund" wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Did you finish off your rule with "and Stop processing more rules?" If
>>> > >> not,
>>> > >> try doing so and see if the rule works then. When setting up a rule for a
>>> > >> number of contacts, you can select them all in the Contacts dialogue box
>>> > >> before clicking To:
>>> > >> --
>>> > >> Noel
>>> > >>
>>> > >> "fewdots" <fewdots@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> > >> news:9C0D9F1C-A580-4512-8D31-E1CBC3552F0E@xxxxxx
>>> > >> > Hi RC
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Thank you for your response but I'm afraid that exactly the same thing
>>> > >> > happens when I create the rule from the message. It creates the rule
>>> > >> > for
>>> > >> > fbloggs@xxxxxx but won't apply it until I change the 'from' to
>>> > >> > Fred
>>> > >> > Bloggs, which is the contact name. That also doesn't help when I need
>>> > >> > to
>>> > >> > create one rule for a group of people.... which has just given me an
>>> > >> > idea....
>>> > >> > maybe I can include a block of individuals within a group and then
>>> > >> > apply a
>>> > >> > rule to the group?
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Very strange that an automatic process appears to be using a different
>>> > >> > criterion to the one that created it, which is why I wondered if I was
>>> > >> > missing a system parameter somewhere!
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > fewdots
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > "R. C. White" wrote:
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >> Hi, fewdots.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> One way to handle this is to highlight Fred's message, then click
>>> > >> >> Actions
>>> > >> >> |
>>> > >> >> Create rule from message. The Rules screen should open with the
>>> > >> >> From...
>>> > >> >> box
>>> > >> >> already checked and Fred's full address already entered in the
>>> > >> >> description
>>> > >> >> box. You may edit it if you like, but what is already entered should
>>> > >> >> be
>>> > >> >> correct since it is taken from Fred's message. It probably will show
>>> > >> >> both
>>> > >> >> Fred Bloggs and his email address.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> RC
>>> > >> >> --
>>> > >> >> R. C. White, CPA
>>> > >> >> San Marcos, TX
>>> > >> >> rc@xxxxxx
>>> > >> >> Microsoft Windows MVP
>>> > >> >> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64)
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> "fewdots" <fewdots@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> > >> >> news:C3E2F5A2-2D6F-49E7-B57C-B7747FE702F9@xxxxxx
>>> > >> >> > v2008 (12.0.1606)
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > When I try to set up a message rules for several contacts I add them
>>> > >> >> > from
>>> > >> >> > the contacts book. However the contact 'Fred Bloggs' has an email
>>> > >> >> > address
>>> > >> >> > 'fbloggs@xxxxxx' and selecting him places the email address,
>>> > >> >> > rather
>>> > >> >> > than the contact name, into the rule. As the message is received
>>> > >> >> > from
>>> > >> >> > Fred
>>> > >> >> > Bloggs, the rule is not applied.
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > I have hundreds of contacts from a variety of organisations and
>>> > >> >> > don't
>>> > >> >> > want
>>> > >> >> > to have to type these in manually. Am I doing something daft?
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> >
>>> >

03-03-2008

----- Original Message -----
From: "Averice" <Averice@xxxxxx>

Quote:

> I get hundreds of spam messages from individual email addresses,

You probably have not been very careful about when and where you reveal your
email address. Comcast allows you up to 6 different email addresses. I
suggest you replace your current address with a new one and don't give it
out indiscriminately. That includes not using your real email address when
posting to newsgroups. For websites that ask for your address and you are
not absolutely certain of their policy of sharing it, use a "throw a way"
web mail account like Yahoo. You can always go back to the site and change
the address to your primary one.

03-03-2008	#11 (permalink)
Ildhund n/a posts	Re: Message Rules What's wrong with 'Add sender to blocked senders' list', which seems to do precisely what you want? You'll have to delete the first message yourself, but you shouldn't see any more messages from that address except perhaps in your Junk e-mail folder. You get the option by right-clicking on a message in the Message list and selecting 'Junk e-mail'. This only applies to POP3 mail, but since you've been laboriously creating rules, I assume it's a POP account you're referring to. That said, there is a limit (250?) to the number of blocked senders you can have in your list. Spammers tend to use 'throwaway' addresses - use once, then never again, just to ensure that blocking won't affect their evil habit. One good way to invite spam is to display your real e-mail address in public newsgroups like this one. Spammers use robots to trawl through newsgroups, fora and websites looking for addresses to spam. It's easy enough to 'munge' your address to spoil their fun, so I do recommend you to do it. Lastly, pressing F1 never broke anything, and would have told you how to block senders... -- Noel [about to change his name to 'Toad of Conduct'] "Averice" <Averice@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OpaRKTVfIHA.748@xxxxxx Quote: > I wish there was an answer to this problem. I'm looking for an email > client that allows me to easily set up email filter rules with a minimum > number of clicks. I get hundreds of spam messages from individual email > addresses, and I would like to be able to click on a toolbar icon and add > the 'from' field to a 'ban and delete' rule. What's so hard about that? > As it stands now, the process is: > Click on properties for an email, > Highlight and save just the displayed 'from' name, (It frequently > gets confused if one uses the whole line) > Open Tools/Message Rules/Mail, and select a particular rule > Open the rule, paste the 'from' field, click 'add', and OK twice out of > the box > Proceed to next message and repeat. > > It's a foolish waste of time and effort. This is something that should be > easy, not a throwback to the olden days. > And I agree with everything 'fewdots' said. > > "fewdots" <fewdots@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:4019DB60-9352-4DE8-8917-76DC87408ED7@xxxxxx Quote: >> As a rider to my previous posting.... I've checked the header of mails >> received from people not in my address book and they are in exactly the >> same >> format. The From name is not necessarily as it is on my own record but >> is >> taken from the user info when they have set up the account in their own >> mail >> application. I've just sent myself emails from different accounts and >> different applications (WLM & OE), changing the name in my account >> settings, >> and got a different result on each one! >> >> fewdots >> >> "fewdots" wrote: >> Quote: >>> Hi again Noel >>> >>> The problem is with ALL rules, not just the one. I've just checked the >>> header of a received message and (substituting real names, for example >>> purposes) the From line reads: >>> >>> From: "Fred Bloggs" <fbloggs@xxxxxx> >>> >>> So, the rule will work if I tell it to check for Fred Bloggs, but not if >>> I >>> ask it to check for fbloggs@xxxxxx, which is the default generated >>> by >>> adding from the Contact list or from a received message. >>> >>> fewdots >>> >>> >>> "Ildhund" wrote: >>> >>> > Unless there is a good reason for not doing so, all rules should end >>> > with >>> > Stop processing. Mark one of the messages that the <email address> >>> > rule >>> > doesn't work for and press Ctrl-F3 to expose the headers. Only one of >>> > the >>> > lines should start with "From:", and the only element it must contain >>> > according to RFC2822 is an email address. The name part is optional, >>> > so >>> > that's why an automatically formed rule looks for the address. >>> > >>> > If all your exclusive rules end with Stop processing..., I can't think >>> > why >>> > this is happening. Is the rule that's not working at the top of the >>> > list? If >>> > not, does it work if you move it to the top? What action is the rule >>> > supposed to carry out? If you change it to something else, like >>> > Highlight it >>> > with a colour, does it still not work? It's not entirely clear from >>> > your >>> > post whether this is a problem with all rules of this type (where the >>> > From >>> > line contains people) or just some of them. >>> > -- >>> > Noel >>> > >>> > "fewdots" <fewdots@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> > news:BD8DD738-95BC-416F-9990-9B1D4AF9BAC2@xxxxxx >>> > >>> > > Tried that but it doesn't work. The problem is that WLM wants to >>> > > put the >>> > > email address in the 'Where the From line contains' option but it >>> > > only >>> > > works >>> > > if you put the display name there.... because that's what actually >>> > > appears >>> > > on >>> > > the From field. I've tried this today on a virgin system and it's >>> > > still >>> > > wrong. However, creating an identical rule in an identical fashion >>> > > in OE >>> > > gives the display name and the rule is applied correctly. >>> > > >>> > > I apply rules to almost 800 contacts and the only way I can get then >>> > > to >>> > > apply is to manually enter the display name in the rule!! >>> > >>> > > "Ildhund" wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> Did you finish off your rule with "and Stop processing more rules?" >>> > >> If >>> > >> not, >>> > >> try doing so and see if the rule works then. When setting up a rule >>> > >> for a >>> > >> number of contacts, you can select them all in the Contacts >>> > >> dialogue box >>> > >> before clicking To: >>> > >> -- >>> > >> Noel >>> > >> >>> > >> "fewdots" <fewdots@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> > >> news:9C0D9F1C-A580-4512-8D31-E1CBC3552F0E@xxxxxx >>> > >> > Hi RC >>> > >> > >>> > >> > Thank you for your response but I'm afraid that exactly the same >>> > >> > thing >>> > >> > happens when I create the rule from the message. It creates the >>> > >> > rule >>> > >> > for >>> > >> > fbloggs@xxxxxx but won't apply it until I change the 'from' >>> > >> > to >>> > >> > Fred >>> > >> > Bloggs, which is the contact name. That also doesn't help when I >>> > >> > need >>> > >> > to >>> > >> > create one rule for a group of people.... which has just given me >>> > >> > an >>> > >> > idea.... >>> > >> > maybe I can include a block of individuals within a group and >>> > >> > then >>> > >> > apply a >>> > >> > rule to the group? >>> > >> > >>> > >> > Very strange that an automatic process appears to be using a >>> > >> > different >>> > >> > criterion to the one that created it, which is why I wondered if >>> > >> > I was >>> > >> > missing a system parameter somewhere! >>> > >> > >>> > >> > fewdots >>> > >> > >>> > >> > "R. C. White" wrote: >>> > >> > >>> > >> >> Hi, fewdots. >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> One way to handle this is to highlight Fred's message, then >>> > >> >> click >>> > >> >> Actions >>> > >> >> \| >>> > >> >> Create rule from message. The Rules screen should open with the >>> > >> >> From... >>> > >> >> box >>> > >> >> already checked and Fred's full address already entered in the >>> > >> >> description >>> > >> >> box. You may edit it if you like, but what is already entered >>> > >> >> should >>> > >> >> be >>> > >> >> correct since it is taken from Fred's message. It probably will >>> > >> >> show >>> > >> >> both >>> > >> >> Fred Bloggs and his email address. >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> RC >>> > >> >> -- >>> > >> >> R. C. White, CPA >>> > >> >> San Marcos, TX >>> > >> >> rc@xxxxxx >>> > >> >> Microsoft Windows MVP >>> > >> >> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64) >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> "fewdots" <fewdots@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> > >> >> news:C3E2F5A2-2D6F-49E7-B57C-B7747FE702F9@xxxxxx >>> > >> >> > v2008 (12.0.1606) >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > When I try to set up a message rules for several contacts I >>> > >> >> > add them >>> > >> >> > from >>> > >> >> > the contacts book. However the contact 'Fred Bloggs' has an >>> > >> >> > email >>> > >> >> > address >>> > >> >> > 'fbloggs@xxxxxx' and selecting him places the email >>> > >> >> > address, >>> > >> >> > rather >>> > >> >> > than the contact name, into the rule. As the message is >>> > >> >> > received >>> > >> >> > from >>> > >> >> > Fred >>> > >> >> > Bloggs, the rule is not applied. >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > I have hundreds of contacts from a variety of organisations >>> > >> >> > and >>> > >> >> > don't >>> > >> >> > want >>> > >> >> > to have to type these in manually. Am I doing something daft? >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>> >
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03-03-2008	#12 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen n/a posts	Re: Message Rules Setting up message rules for garden variety spam is an exercise in futility. Spammers seldom use the same 'From' address twice. -- Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail) "Averice" <Averice@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OpaRKTVfIHA.748@xxxxxx Quote: >I wish there was an answer to this problem. I'm looking for an email client that allows me to easily set up email filter rules >with a minimum number of clicks. I get hundreds of spam messages from individual email addresses, and I would like to be able to >click on a toolbar icon and add the 'from' field to a 'ban and delete' rule. What's so hard about that? > As it stands now, the process is: > Click on properties for an email, > Highlight and save just the displayed 'from' name, (It frequently gets confused if one uses the whole line) > Open Tools/Message Rules/Mail, and select a particular rule > Open the rule, paste the 'from' field, click 'add', and OK twice out of the box > Proceed to next message and repeat. > > It's a foolish waste of time and effort. This is something that should be easy, not a throwback to the olden days. > And I agree with everything 'fewdots' said. > > "fewdots" <fewdots@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:4019DB60-9352-4DE8-8917-76DC87408ED7@xxxxxx Quote: >> As a rider to my previous posting.... I've checked the header of mails >> received from people not in my address book and they are in exactly the same >> format. The From name is not necessarily as it is on my own record but is >> taken from the user info when they have set up the account in their own mail >> application. I've just sent myself emails from different accounts and >> different applications (WLM & OE), changing the name in my account settings, >> and got a different result on each one! >> >> fewdots >> >> "fewdots" wrote: >> Quote: >>> Hi again Noel >>> >>> The problem is with ALL rules, not just the one. I've just checked the >>> header of a received message and (substituting real names, for example >>> purposes) the From line reads: >>> >>> From: "Fred Bloggs" <fbloggs@xxxxxx> >>> >>> So, the rule will work if I tell it to check for Fred Bloggs, but not if I >>> ask it to check for fbloggs@xxxxxx, which is the default generated by >>> adding from the Contact list or from a received message. >>> >>> fewdots >>> >>> >>> "Ildhund" wrote: >>> >>> > Unless there is a good reason for not doing so, all rules should end with >>> > Stop processing. Mark one of the messages that the <email address> rule >>> > doesn't work for and press Ctrl-F3 to expose the headers. Only one of the >>> > lines should start with "From:", and the only element it must contain >>> > according to RFC2822 is an email address. The name part is optional, so >>> > that's why an automatically formed rule looks for the address. >>> > >>> > If all your exclusive rules end with Stop processing..., I can't think why >>> > this is happening. Is the rule that's not working at the top of the list? If >>> > not, does it work if you move it to the top? What action is the rule >>> > supposed to carry out? If you change it to something else, like Highlight it >>> > with a colour, does it still not work? It's not entirely clear from your >>> > post whether this is a problem with all rules of this type (where the From >>> > line contains people) or just some of them. >>> > -- >>> > Noel >>> > >>> > "fewdots" <fewdots@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> > news:BD8DD738-95BC-416F-9990-9B1D4AF9BAC2@xxxxxx >>> > >>> > > Tried that but it doesn't work. The problem is that WLM wants to put the >>> > > email address in the 'Where the From line contains' option but it only >>> > > works >>> > > if you put the display name there.... because that's what actually appears >>> > > on >>> > > the From field. I've tried this today on a virgin system and it's still >>> > > wrong. However, creating an identical rule in an identical fashion in OE >>> > > gives the display name and the rule is applied correctly. >>> > > >>> > > I apply rules to almost 800 contacts and the only way I can get then to >>> > > apply is to manually enter the display name in the rule!! >>> > >>> > > "Ildhund" wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> Did you finish off your rule with "and Stop processing more rules?" If >>> > >> not, >>> > >> try doing so and see if the rule works then. When setting up a rule for a >>> > >> number of contacts, you can select them all in the Contacts dialogue box >>> > >> before clicking To: >>> > >> -- >>> > >> Noel >>> > >> >>> > >> "fewdots" <fewdots@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> > >> news:9C0D9F1C-A580-4512-8D31-E1CBC3552F0E@xxxxxx >>> > >> > Hi RC >>> > >> > >>> > >> > Thank you for your response but I'm afraid that exactly the same thing >>> > >> > happens when I create the rule from the message. It creates the rule >>> > >> > for >>> > >> > fbloggs@xxxxxx but won't apply it until I change the 'from' to >>> > >> > Fred >>> > >> > Bloggs, which is the contact name. That also doesn't help when I need >>> > >> > to >>> > >> > create one rule for a group of people.... which has just given me an >>> > >> > idea.... >>> > >> > maybe I can include a block of individuals within a group and then >>> > >> > apply a >>> > >> > rule to the group? >>> > >> > >>> > >> > Very strange that an automatic process appears to be using a different >>> > >> > criterion to the one that created it, which is why I wondered if I was >>> > >> > missing a system parameter somewhere! >>> > >> > >>> > >> > fewdots >>> > >> > >>> > >> > "R. C. White" wrote: >>> > >> > >>> > >> >> Hi, fewdots. >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> One way to handle this is to highlight Fred's message, then click >>> > >> >> Actions >>> > >> >> \| >>> > >> >> Create rule from message. The Rules screen should open with the >>> > >> >> From... >>> > >> >> box >>> > >> >> already checked and Fred's full address already entered in the >>> > >> >> description >>> > >> >> box. You may edit it if you like, but what is already entered should >>> > >> >> be >>> > >> >> correct since it is taken from Fred's message. It probably will show >>> > >> >> both >>> > >> >> Fred Bloggs and his email address. >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> RC >>> > >> >> -- >>> > >> >> R. C. White, CPA >>> > >> >> San Marcos, TX >>> > >> >> rc@xxxxxx >>> > >> >> Microsoft Windows MVP >>> > >> >> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64) >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> "fewdots" <fewdots@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> > >> >> news:C3E2F5A2-2D6F-49E7-B57C-B7747FE702F9@xxxxxx >>> > >> >> > v2008 (12.0.1606) >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > When I try to set up a message rules for several contacts I add them >>> > >> >> > from >>> > >> >> > the contacts book. However the contact 'Fred Bloggs' has an email >>> > >> >> > address >>> > >> >> > 'fbloggs@xxxxxx' and selecting him places the email address, >>> > >> >> > rather >>> > >> >> > than the contact name, into the rule. As the message is received >>> > >> >> > from >>> > >> >> > Fred >>> > >> >> > Bloggs, the rule is not applied. >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > I have hundreds of contacts from a variety of organisations and >>> > >> >> > don't >>> > >> >> > want >>> > >> >> > to have to type these in manually. Am I doing something daft? >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>> >
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03-03-2008	#13 (permalink)
Bob n/a posts	Re: Message Rules ----- Original Message ----- From: "Averice" <Averice@xxxxxx> Quote: > I get hundreds of spam messages from individual email addresses, You probably have not been very careful about when and where you reveal your email address. Comcast allows you up to 6 different email addresses. I suggest you replace your current address with a new one and don't give it out indiscriminately. That includes not using your real email address when posting to newsgroups. For websites that ask for your address and you are not absolutely certain of their policy of sharing it, use a "throw a way" web mail account like Yahoo. You can always go back to the site and change the address to your primary one.
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