Vista - IE7 Email Program

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 01:49:01 -0800, Sparky Pete. wrote:
Did you install Windows Live Mail?

Did you know that there is a Windows Live Mail newsgroup?

news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...e.mail.desktop

Or, if you absolutely must use a browser for newsgroup access (not
recommended):

| http://www.microsoft.com/communities...e.mail.desktop

There is much WLM expertise in that newsgroup. I have cross posted this
message to that news group.

--
Norman
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~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

1st Q? No not installed, 2nd Q? yes i have looked for this answer on it but
found nothing. I did not post Q on newsgroup as I am new to discussion groups
and finding it very helpfull.

On windows XP IE7 Programs / email, you are alowed to select a windows live
mail so you can replay to web sites emails all i'm wondering is why has
windows vista lost this option?

"N. Miller" wrote:

Good Q,
I'm not sure, when i've found that when i installed it in the past i had so
much trouble with it on vista it was better just to use it as a web site sign
in. (i uninstalled it.) and since my pc has come back from a repair
(differant story) i have never installed it since.

But having said that i must be part of vista? because i have just found out
that i can set windows live mail in the following menu.

Start, Rt mouse click, Properties, 'Start Menu' Customize, E-Mail link,
windows live mail instead of windows mail.

(it maybe just a link to web site?)

So that it shows it in the start menu, so now i don't need to have it set as
favorits.

I know what your trying to say, but on my other pc's that all run windows XP
i have not installed it and i still can set the option to use live mail
instead of default outlook express in the internet options, program, e-mail
settings. So that if i need to email an address on a web site it loads up
live email alows me to sign in and even put's the address i'm emailing into
the 'To' box with no problem.

This is one reason why i haven't upgraded the other pc's to vista, other
wise i like vista on my new pc and only have miner prob's as you can see.


"Gordon" wrote:

Gordon, you're confusing the OP even further: Windows Mail, Windows Live
Mail, and Windows Live Hotmail are NOT the same things. (Yes, the names are
confusing.)

Windows Mail is the default Mail Client in Vista. It replaces Outlook
Express in WinXP and earlier Windows versions.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...ails/mail.mspx

Windows Live Hotmail is the new web-interface for Hotmail and MSN accounts.
http://get.live.com/mail/overview

Windows Live Mail is a downloadable Mail Client in which one can access
POP3, IMAP and HTTP (i.e., MSN/Hotmail accounts), and NNTP newsgroups.
http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview

If the OP has used the Windows Live Hotmail site, it will be a default Mail
Client option. If the OP has installed Windows Live Mail, it too should be
a default Mail Client option. If the OP is running Vista, Windows Mail will
be another option.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


Gordon wrote:
<snip>

Vista includes Windows Mail(WM).
It does not include Windows Live Mail.
If WLM was present, it was installed independent of Vista.
If still present in the StartMenu/Customize/Email option then:
a. a registry value was left over after uninstall via Programs and
Features(Vista's term for XP and earlier Add Remove)
b. not uninstalled

One other possibility, in some cases Windows Live Hotmail may be misnamed in
the registry as Windows Live Mail

--
...winston
ms-mvp windows live mail


"Sparky Pete." <SparkyPete@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Good Q,
I'm not sure, when i've found that when i installed it in the past i had so
much trouble with it on vista it was better just to use it as a web site
sign
in. (i uninstalled it.) and since my pc has come back from a repair
(differant story) i have never installed it since.

But having said that i must be part of vista? because i have just found out
that i can set windows live mail in the following menu.

Start, Rt mouse click, Properties, 'Start Menu' Customize, E-Mail link,
windows live mail instead of windows mail.

Fyi...terminology
The web interface is Windows Live Hotmail
The local client is Windows Live Mail

--
...winston
ms-mvp windows live mail


"Gordon" <gbplinux@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Right. There are several confusing issues here. the biggest confusion is
that there are two versions of Windows Live mail - an on-line version and a
local version. Firstly, in XP, if you have NOT downloaded and installed
Windows Live Mail, you can still set Windows Live Mail to be your default
email, in which case when you click a mail-to link, it opens up a Web page
in Live Hotmail. This probably does the same in Vista. However, there is
ALSO Windows Live Mail that you can download and install to your machine
which is a local Mail client which is the successor to Outlook Express for
non-Vista systems. Vista comes with Windows Mail (all gets very confusing,
doesn't it?) that is also a successor to OE, but ONLY for Vista.

You can download Windows Mail here:
http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview

Well Sparky Pete, you have just pointed us to a bug in Vista, that Windows Live Mail (the client) should probably address, as well as Vista SP1.
For starters, what was formerly called "Hotmail", then "Windows Live Mail", is now called "Windows Live Hotmail". So all references in XP and Vista that indicated "Windows Live Mail" for Windows Live Hotmail, should be renamed to "Windows Live Hotmail".
Secondly, when Hotmail was again renamed to "Windows Live Hotmail", the beta mail client "Windows Live Mail Desktop" was renamed to "Windows Live Mail". The mail client Windows Live Mail is now out of beta, and can be installed on XP or Vista from the link Gordon supplied (http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview).
Now, there was indeed an option through 'Internet programs' (Start->Control Panel->Internet Options->Programs [tab]->Internet Programs [section]->E-mail in XP to set "Windows Live Mail", which was really Windows Live Hotmail, as the default E-mail program for Internet Services. There was also an option to set "Windows Live Mail", which was really for Windows Live Hotmail, as the Start Menu E-mail icon/link (right-click Start button->Properties->Start Menu [tab]->check "Start menu"->Customize [button]->General [tab]->Show on Start menu [section]->E-mail. However, after installing the latest version of the mail client Windows Live Mail (12.0.1606) on XP, those "Windows Live Mail" options that were really for Windows Live Hotmail, have I believe, been changed to "Windows Live Hotmail", with the addition of "Windows Live Mail" as an option for the installed mail client.
However, with Vista, those "Internet Programs" options do not exist in Internet Options, there being a button called "Set programs" instead, which opens up the "Default Programs" dialog box, available also through the Start Menu and Control Panel. Indeed, there are no options there to make Windows Live Hotmail a default program. However Sparky Pete, you did find that there is an option to set "Windows Live Mail", which is really for Windows Live Hotmail, as the Start Menu E-mail icon/link (right-click Start Orb button->Properties->Start Menu [tab]->check "Start menu"->Customize [button]->General [tab]->Show on Start menu [section]->E-mail link. Selecting "Windows Live Mail" there will also affect the Send To->Mail Recipient right-click context menu item, and the E-mail button in Adobe Reader, Windows Photo Gallery and Windows Live Photo Gallery, which effectively makes Windows Live Hotmail the default mail program on a Vista system except that it does not affect any "mailto:" links in web pages etc.
Interestingly, when Windows Live Mail (the client) is installed on a Vista System, the selected option for the Start Menu E-mail icon/link (right-click Start Orb button->Properties->Start Menu [tab]->check "Start menu"->Customize [button]->General [tab]->Show on Start menu [section]->E-mail link becomes a blank setting, but once another option in the list (Windows Live Mail (Hotmail), or Windows Mail) is selected, there is no item in the list (blank or otherwise) to return it to Windows Live Mail (the client). So that is a bug the developers of Windows Live Mail (the client) need to address.
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Cheers,
Peter
(Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606)
"There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
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"Sparky Pete." <SparkyPete@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:0B6A1E18-90E2-4483-A88D-9AE25D4DD25D@xxxxxx

Quoting from your post to which I was replying:
That is a link to Windows Live Mail, not Windows Mail.
--
~PA Bear


Gordon wrote:

Gordon wrote:One possible explanation for the presence of Windows Live Mail as a default
Mail Client option could be that you used the Windows Live "all-in-one"
installer to download/install one or more other Windows Live applications
(e.g., Windows Live Toolbar; Windows Live Messenger).

Furthermore, since the Windows Live Hotmail page opens when you click on a
MailTo link when Windows Live Mail is the default, one might presume it's
default behavior if Windows Live Mail isn't actually installed.

The experts in Windows Live Mail newsgroup or
microsoft.public.windows.live.helpcommunity_platform.feedback could offer
you more definitive information than I possible could..
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

Neither, since the message window in WLMail, and the web interface for
Microsoft Communities wraps the lines quite effectively. It's a choice
Gordon. I would rather use Quoted Printable than Base 64, but there is a
bug in WLMail that forces line wrapping of QP Plain Text when it
shouldn't. There is no mandate within this newsgroup to wrap lines, and I
prefer not to when I give long replies which I have saved to drafts
several times and edited. It is way too frustrating for me editing a draft
message when it has been line wrapped. For this post though, I have
selected QP, so the lines will be wrapped due to the bug I mentioned.
--
Cheers,
Peter
(Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606)
"There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in
your philosophy." - Shakespeare
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