Well, I guess we'll all have to be as wordy as Mr. White, so we can get
answers addressed to us too. LOL
"...winston" <winstonmvp@xxxxxx> wrote in message
Email received. Rest assured nothing is wrong with WLM or your accounts SMTP
I am not aware of any unique specific tutorials tailored to using WLM as
client(for news/mail). Many find that after a few hours of use, functions
and features become wrote and deduction falls in to place for the balance.
Anything else can usually be answered in this forum.
Asking in this forum vs. mail also benefits anyone reading whether it be a
poster or just someone reading for the knowledge or entertainment.
Thanks for expressing issues of concern.
WLM does have a feedback option if you care to send a note to Msft.
WLM\Help\Send Feedback (web)
ms-mvp windows live mail
"C.B." <notreallycbcbmullen@xxxxxx> wrote in message
Thank you for the informative reply. Yes, I know that newsgroups are
not email, but this is the first time I have used a newsreader and Microsoft
chose to not provide any information as to how to configure and use WLM,
including the newsreader. That is what aggravates and frustrates me the
most. I think it is a good email client so I have transferred my four other
accounts into it. It makes things so much easier than logging into four
different accounts. It's not that I am overanxious or impatient about
learning how to use the newsreader, it's just that I can't find any
tutorials or articles relating to it.
When I send this reply I am typing now, and I click on "Reply Group",
will it go to the discussion group as a single entry comment or question, or
will it go into my original thread? If my reply does not go to my original
thread, how do I know you have received my reply? Is my reply connected in
some way to your reply to my questions so that you are alerted I replied to
you or do you have to actively seek it? As you can see, I just don't know
these things because there is no instruction for using this newsreader.
The previous replies I made to Larry and Winston were sent to their
email addresses by accident, only because I did not know that using the
"Reply" button sent it to the sender instead of the newsgroup. I sincerely
apologize for the mistake. It will not happen again. I will send a message
to a respondent's email address only if I am explicitly directed to do so. I
am a firm believer in privacy. I would never consider sending an unsolicited
email to anyone.
The reason I munged my email address is because it was suggested by an
MVP that I do so and I also read in an article on newsgroups that I should
do it. It would be simple for someone to determine what my actual email
address is but if you think I should "unmunge" it I will do so. I don't get
overly concerned about spam. For me, spam is only a mouse click or two away.
I don't even bother with antispam software.
I have one more subject I need guidance on. Should I top post or bottom
post, or should I post within the reply in order to comment on a particular
paragraph? When I post a reply, should I include the whole text of the
person I am replying to or should I shorten it? I have left your text alone.
I feel really bad about asking all these questions. If I could just
find some material on using the WLM newsreader my questions would not be
necessary and I wouldn't have to waste your time and the time of others. It
agitates me when someone seeks advice when the answer is only a search bar
away but in my case the search bar, and Microsoft's websites, offer no
answers. I know that my questions aggravate many people who already possess
the knowledge I am seeking.
Again, thank you for taking the time to provide answers to my queries.
Have a nice day.
It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged
and less fortunate among us.
"R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> Hi, C.B.
> Newsgroups are NOT email. They are more like the BBS (Bulletin Board
> Systems) of a couple of decades ago, or Forums (Fora?) of CompuServe fame.
> That is, one person posts a message for all the world to see. Anyone who
> wants to can post a Reply - and everybody can see that, too. Not like
> email, where the message is addressed to one individual and that person is
> the only one who can see it.
> On WLM's Actions menu there are 3 similar options:
> Reply to Sender Ctrl+R
> Reply to All Ctrl+Shift+R
> Reply to Group Ctrl+G
> In almost ALL cases, Reply to Group is the proper action. This posts your
> message to the group so that we all can see it.
> Reply to Sender sends an email to the person who posted the message to
> which you are replying. Reply to All posts your message to the group AND
> sends an email to the Sender.
> Occasionally I get email from a newsgroup reader who has seen my post in
> the group. My "boilerplate" response starts something like this:
> Netiquette frowns on email responses to newsgroup posts unless email is
> specifically invited or the subject veers from the topic of the newsgroup.
> Many people can see and benefit from newsgroup posts; in email, no more
> that the two parties involved can benefit. If I give you bad or
> incomplete advice in a newsgroup, other readers (many more expert than I)
> can correct or complete my comments. If I give you poor advice in email,
> you're just stuck with it. In a newsgroup, if I don't know the answer or
> if I'm on vacation or otherwise unavailable, many other readers can post a
> response. If you send me email and I'm not available - or I don't know the
> answer or I'm just too lazy to reply - you may wait a long time for an
> But the most important difference is that in a newsgroup, we all learn
> from each other. Today you ask a question. You get an answer. Tomorrow,
> someone else asks the same question. You know the answer now, so you post
> it. That kind of mutual education just can't happen in email. Today we
> are the student; tomorrow we are the teacher. ;<) Sort of like the
> tagline in your Sig.
> So I've customized my WLM Toolbar. The first button on the left is for
> Reply Group - and it gets used a lot.
> One other factor that you hinted at: Those of us who spend many hours a
> week trying to help other users here freely volunteer our time for no pay.
> But that does NOT mean that we've volunteered to become the private Tech
> Support department for anybody.
> Many posters use handles and "mung" (or "munge") their email addresses -
> as you have done - to discourage emails and spam. I've always posted my
> real name and email address. Yes, I do get some spam (not as much as a
> couple of years ago). But I've always believed that I should take full
> responsibility for what I say. But that does NOT mean that I am
> specifically inviting email regarding my newsgroup posts.
> Once you get up the learning curve a little, I think you'll like WLM. ;<)
> Oh, one more point: My posts are often more wordy than they might need to
> be. A part of the reason is that we never know who may be "reading over
> our shoulders" in a newsgroup. If I leave out a point because I think YOU
> already know it, that omitted point might be just the one that trips up a
> less-experienced "lurker". (In a newsgroup, "lurking" - reading without
> posting - is A Good Thing. Many lurkers learn the answers to questions
> they hadn't even gotten around to asking.)
> See you around the newsgroups! ;<)
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64)
> "C.B." <notreallycbcbmullen@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> This post is mainly for LarryE and Winston. I have tried to reply to
>> your posts related to my previous post. I received a "delivery failure"
>> notification regarding my replies to both of you. I then went to the
>> Properties for my server (Outgoing mail (SMTP)) and unchecked "This
>> server requires a secure connection". I don't know whether or not you
>> have received my replies.
>> Secondly, I don't understand if I am to send my reply using the
>> "Reply" button or the "Reply Group" button. I have determined that if I
>> use the reply button it goes to the nonexistent email listing in your
>> reply, but then again, I could be wrong. I used the "Reply" button
>> because I read somewhere, while trying to understand how to use this
>> application, that I should use the "Reply" button when responding to the
>> sender. I also read somewhere that if I use the "Reply Group" button my
>> reply will be listed as a single new entry posted to the discussion group
>> as opposed to being directed to the poster I am trying to reply to. I
>> don't know. I give up.
>> I realize I am somewhat of a nuisance concerning my lack of
>> understanding of WLM and its features and I sincerely apologize. I don't
>> wish to utilize your valuable free time but I have no choice. I can
>> foresee myself posting ridiculous questions for the foreseeable future
>> and I realize my questions will seem laughable and idiotic to the other
>> users of WLM. I just find it unbelievable that I can find no information
>> related to the functions and usability of this application. This is
>> causing me nothing but frustrations and aggravations.
>> The last thing I want to do is cause other posters grief by my
>> continuous postings seeking information they already know. I don't care
>> if everyone thinks I am stupid because it is apparent that I am.
>> Thank you for your time and thank you in advance for any assistance.
>> Have a nice day.
>> It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged
>> and less fortunate among us.