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02-22-2008
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| | Live Mail (Hotmail) servers inject encoding/header info when sent/received from hotmail.com accounts ONLY The following QUESTION was posted to WINDOWS.VISTA.MAIL newsgroup but now posted here as issue with WINDOWS LIVE MAIL (formerly HOTMAIL) service... specifically, email servers embed encoding/header information in CONTENT of email itself... but only when sending/receiving between HOTMAIL accounts. See comments below for examples. Any idea as to how to remove this? Something hotmail.com support has to address? ...Grant _____________________________________________________________________________________________ REFERENCE (from previous forum posts)_____________________________________________________________________________________________ Confirmed... problem occurs when sending NEW or REPLY emails to HOTMAIL recipients... other ISP email addresses work fine... I will follow-up with Hotmail support... thanks for your help... Grant "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eUAouoLdIHA.3736@xxxxxx Quote: > Is this problem limited to replies sent to Hotmail recipients? > That seems contrary to what you were saying before, about the problem > occurring even when originating a new message in Windows Mail. > If it is strictly a Hotmail problem, this is not the right forum for that. > AFAIK, none of the regular responders here are Hotmail experts. > -- > Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail) > > > "Grant - CNW" <CNW@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:225DFFA1-53F4-491F-98FE-491403723407@xxxxxx Quote: >> No anti-virus software is installed yet...  >> Ctrl-F3 shows the Message Header... the stuff I am seeing is prefix in >> the content... >> Perhaps the Hotmail service is adding this info? Emails sent between >> hotmail.com users... >> Seems to be issues with multi-part translation or character set-1252 ? >> >> I tried sending various encoded emails (Western European(ISO), Western >> European(Windows), etc) to myself at hotmail and they all come in okay... >> but if I reply to user's email (read in Western European(ISO)) and BCC >> myself, it comes in with the encoding/charset info... see another example >> attached from this morning... very strange... >> >> EXAMPLE >> ====== >> >> 2993A5E8230@xxxxxx> <BLU102-W11BD83B34D27DC8508DEC8A9230@xxxxxx> >> Bcc: "Grant" <myemail@xxxxxx> >> References: <BAY114-DS367541FEB4D763D2993A5E8230@xxxxxx> >> <BLU102-W11BD83B34D27DC8508DEC8A9230@xxxxxx> >> Subject: Re: RE: >> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:43:17 -0500 >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: multipart/related; >> type="multipart/alternative"; >> boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01C87465.CDDB4F40" >> X-Unsent: 1 >> X-Priority: 1 >> X-MSMail-Priority: High >> Importance: High >> X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 >> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 >> >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C87465.CDDB4F40 >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0061_01C87465.CDDB4F40" >> >> >> ------=_NextPart_001_0061_01C87465.CDDB4F40 >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="Windows-1252" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> ********************************** >> EMAIL CONTENT HERE (removed) >> ********************************** >> >> >> >> >> >> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:e#iWacEdIHA.5416@xxxxxx Quote: >>> That's not MIME encoding. Those are normal headers that every >>> message has, but normally you don't see those until you press >>> Ctrl-F3. They certainly should not appear in the body of the >>> email message. Can't say I've ever seen this problem before. >>> One of the usual culprits for odd problems is your antivirus program. >>> Which AV are you running? If McAfee or Norton, would you >>> consider uninstalling it (as a test) to see if that cures the problem? >>> >>> -- >>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail) >>> >>> >>> "Grant - CNW" <CNW@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> news:14700D40-B5A1-44AF-8DFA-D8B4725040EC@xxxxxx >>>>I migrated my email from Outlook Express to Windows Mail... >>>> for the mosst part, I like the new features and support in the new Mail >>>> program... >>>> But I have come across one problem that I can't figure out... >>>> searching the posts on this forum, no one else seems to be having the >>>> same problem... >>>> >>>> When I send a new e-mail OR reply to an e-mail from a contact, the >>>> email content is shifted to the bottom of the email and a ton (about >>>> 30-50 lines) of MIME encoding information is imbedded in the top >>>> portion of the email. I have tried changing encoding... to reply in >>>> senders format... or default to Windows instead of ISO format... all >>>> with no resolution. >>>> People complain about the emails they get from me from my Windows Mail >>>> account... but if I send from Outlook Express, from hotmail web >>>> interface, or my Blackberry... all is good and encoding info is not >>>> included. Seems to be some Windows Mail setup issue... running on >>>> Vista Ultimate x64... with latest updates applied as of now... >>>> >>>> Any ideas? ...Grant >>>> >>>> Here's an example of encoding included... email addresses removed to >>>> prevent SPAM... >>>> >>>>> From: myemail@xxxxxx >>>>> To: friend@xxxxxx >>>>> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:18:36 -0800 >>>>> >>>>> 32392FE8230@xxxxxx> <BLU102-W960FC261AA880178B5835A9230@xxxxxx> >>>>> Bcc: "Grant" <myemail@xxxxxx> >>>>> References: <BAY114-DS11EBA8F5315470B32392FE8230@xxxxxx> >>>>> <BLU102-W960FC261AA880178B5835A9230@xxxxxx> >>>>> Subject: Re: RE: >>>>> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:18:30 -0500 >>>>> MIME-Version: 1.0 >>>>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >>>>> boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C873B2.52500D10" >>>>> X-Unsent: 1 >>>>> X-Priority: 3 >>>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>>>> Importance: Normal >>>>> X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 >>>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 >>>>> >>>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >>>>> >>>>> ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C873B2.52500D10 >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; >>>>> charset="Windows-1252" >>>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> >>>>> email easier to read in this format/encoding? ...g >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> EEKS... what is all the stuff? >>>> >>>> More importantly, how do I turn it OFF?! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> > |
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02-23-2008
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| | Re: Live Mail (Hotmail) servers inject encoding/header info when sent/received from hotmail.com accounts ONLY If I could just try and clear up what appears to be some confusion. In your first post, you mentioned the problem occurred when sending new or reply messages from *Windows Mail* ([quote...] "People complain about the emails they get from me from my Windows Mail account"). However, the header information you quoted tells us that you were using *Windows Live Mail*, not Windows Mail ("X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606") to send a reply e-mail from your *Windows Live Hotmail* account, when the problem mentioned occurred. Now, "Hotmail" was renamed to "Windows Live Mail" for a while, but it is now called "Windows Live Hotmail". Windows Mail comes with Vista, but the e-mail client called "Windows Live Mail" is a completely different program that can be installed in XP or Vista. This newsgroup is dedicated to the e-mail client "Windows Live Mail", which was formerly called "Windows Live Mail desktop" (Hence the name of this newsgroup). So you are now posting in the right newsgroup since the problem does concern your e-mail client Windows Live Mail, although it is confined to your Hotmail account when sending messages through it to other Hotmail accounts. So to clarify everything (please correct me if I am wrong). You are using Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 on a Vista Ultimate x64 system (but you still have access to your XP system with Outlook Express, which your Hotmail account is also set up in). Using Windows Live Mail, when you send a *new* e-mail message using your hotmail.com account to (only) another Hotmail account, the recipient receives the message with the headers inserted into the message body. However, if you BCC a copy of such a message to yourself, you *do not* see any headers inserted into the message body. Using Windows Live Mail, when you send a *reply* e-mail message using your hotmail.com account to (only) another Hotmail account, the recipient receives the message with the headers inserted into the message body. However, if you BCC a copy of such a message to yourself, you *do* see headers inserted into the message body. This problem only began after you began using Windows Live Mail on your Vista Ultimate x64 system. The same thing *does not* happen when you use Outlook Express, the Windows Live Hotmail web interface or your Blackberry to send such messages. *Have you installed Windows Live Mail on your XP system and tried the same scenarios through it? This problem occurs whatever encoding method you use. This problem occurs with "Reply to messages using the format in which they were sent" both checked and unchecked. Your quotes do confirm that the problem occurs using "Rich Text (HTML)" format. *Have you tried using "Plain text" format (Format->Plain text)? You have ruled out an Antivirus program messing up the sent messages, because you haven't got an antivirus installed. *Maybe you should install one and scan your system for viruses, or are you using an on-line scanning tool? As Gary pointed out, this problem is extremely unusual, so if you are now more clear about this issue, you might need to seek Windows Live Mail technical support (Help->Get technical support). But you might want to install Windows Live Mail on your XP system first, to further isolate the problem. -- Cheers, Peter (Windows Vista Home Premium with Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606) "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare --------------- "Grant - CNW" <CNW@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:8F796CEB-59AC-4DC8-A333-DB75C3FC16C0@xxxxxx Quote: > The following QUESTION was posted to WINDOWS.VISTA.MAIL newsgroup but now > posted here as issue with WINDOWS LIVE MAIL (formerly HOTMAIL) service... > specifically, email servers embed encoding/header information in CONTENT of > email itself... but only when sending/receiving between HOTMAIL accounts. > See comments below for examples. Any idea as to how to remove this? > Something hotmail.com support has to address? ...Grant > > _____________________________________________________________________________________________ > REFERENCE (from previous forum > posts)_____________________________________________________________________________________________ > > > Confirmed... problem occurs when sending NEW or REPLY emails to HOTMAIL > recipients... other ISP email addresses work fine... I will follow-up with > Hotmail support... thanks for your help... Grant > > > "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:eUAouoLdIHA.3736@xxxxxx Quote: Quote: >> Is this problem limited to replies sent to Hotmail recipients? >> That seems contrary to what you were saying before, about the problem >> occurring even when originating a new message in Windows Mail. >> If it is strictly a Hotmail problem, this is not the right forum for that. >> AFAIK, none of the regular responders here are Hotmail experts. >> -- >> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail) >> >> >> "Grant - CNW" <CNW@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:225DFFA1-53F4-491F-98FE-491403723407@xxxxxx Quote: Quote: Quote: >>> No anti-virus software is installed yet... >>> Ctrl-F3 shows the Message Header... the stuff I am seeing is prefix in >>> the content... >>> Perhaps the Hotmail service is adding this info? Emails sent between >>> hotmail.com users... >>> Seems to be issues with multi-part translation or character set-1252 ? >>> >>> I tried sending various encoded emails (Western European(ISO), Western >>> European(Windows), etc) to myself at hotmail and they all come in okay... >>> but if I reply to user's email (read in Western European(ISO)) and BCC >>> myself, it comes in with the encoding/charset info... see another example >>> attached from this morning... very strange... >>> >>> EXAMPLE >>> ====== >>> >>> 2993A5E8230@xxxxxx> <BLU102-W11BD83B34D27DC8508DEC8A9230@xxxxxx> >>> Bcc: "Grant" <myemail@xxxxxx> >>> References: <BAY114-DS367541FEB4D763D2993A5E8230@xxxxxx> >>> <BLU102-W11BD83B34D27DC8508DEC8A9230@xxxxxx> >>> Subject: Re: RE: >>> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:43:17 -0500 >>> MIME-Version: 1.0 >>> Content-Type: multipart/related; >>> type="multipart/alternative"; >>> boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01C87465.CDDB4F40" >>> X-Unsent: 1 >>> X-Priority: 1 >>> X-MSMail-Priority: High >>> Importance: High >>> X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 >>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 >>> >>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >>> >>> ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C87465.CDDB4F40 >>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >>> boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0061_01C87465.CDDB4F40" >>> >>> >>> ------=_NextPart_001_0061_01C87465.CDDB4F40 >>> Content-Type: text/plain; >>> charset="Windows-1252" >>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>> >>> ********************************** >>> EMAIL CONTENT HERE (removed) >>> ********************************** >>> >>> "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> news:e#iWacEdIHA.5416@xxxxxx Quote: Quote: Quote: >>>> That's not MIME encoding. Those are normal headers that every >>>> message has, but normally you don't see those until you press >>>> Ctrl-F3. They certainly should not appear in the body of the >>>> email message. Can't say I've ever seen this problem before. >>>> One of the usual culprits for odd problems is your antivirus program. >>>> Which AV are you running? If McAfee or Norton, would you >>>> consider uninstalling it (as a test) to see if that cures the problem? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail) >>>> >>>> >>>> "Grant - CNW" <CNW@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>>> news:14700D40-B5A1-44AF-8DFA-D8B4725040EC@xxxxxx Quote: Quote: Quote: >>>>>I migrated my email from Outlook Express to Windows Mail... >>>>> for the mosst part, I like the new features and support in the new Mail >>>>> program... >>>>> But I have come across one problem that I can't figure out... >>>>> searching the posts on this forum, no one else seems to be having the >>>>> same problem... >>>>> >>>>> When I send a new e-mail OR reply to an e-mail from a contact, the >>>>> email content is shifted to the bottom of the email and a ton (about >>>>> 30-50 lines) of MIME encoding information is imbedded in the top >>>>> portion of the email. I have tried changing encoding... to reply in >>>>> senders format... or default to Windows instead of ISO format... all >>>>> with no resolution. >>>>> People complain about the emails they get from me from my Windows Mail >>>>> account... but if I send from Outlook Express, from hotmail web >>>>> interface, or my Blackberry... all is good and encoding info is not >>>>> included. Seems to be some Windows Mail setup issue... running on >>>>> Vista Ultimate x64... with latest updates applied as of now... >>>>> >>>>> Any ideas? ...Grant >>>>> >>>>> Here's an example of encoding included... email addresses removed to >>>>> prevent SPAM... >>>>> >>>>>> From: myemail@xxxxxx >>>>>> To: friend@xxxxxx >>>>>> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:18:36 -0800 >>>>>> >>>>>> 32392FE8230@xxxxxx> <BLU102-W960FC261AA880178B5835A9230@xxxxxx> >>>>>> Bcc: "Grant" <myemail@xxxxxx> >>>>>> References: <BAY114-DS11EBA8F5315470B32392FE8230@xxxxxx> >>>>>> <BLU102-W960FC261AA880178B5835A9230@xxxxxx> >>>>>> Subject: Re: RE: >>>>>> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:18:30 -0500 >>>>>> MIME-Version: 1.0 >>>>>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >>>>>> boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C873B2.52500D10" >>>>>> X-Unsent: 1 >>>>>> X-Priority: 3 >>>>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>>>>> Importance: Normal >>>>>> X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 >>>>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >>>>>> >>>>>> ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C873B2.52500D10 >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; >>>>>> charset="Windows-1252" >>>>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>>> >>>>>> email easier to read in this format/encoding? ...g >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> EEKS... what is all the stuff? >>>>> >>>>> More importantly, how do I turn it OFF?! |
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02-23-2008
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| | Re: Live Mail (Hotmail) servers inject encoding/header info when sent/received from hotmail.com accounts ONLY On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:22:06 -0500, Grant - CNW wrote: Quote: > "Gary VanderMolen" <gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:eUAouoLdIHA.3736@xxxxxx Quote: Quote: >> Is this problem limited to replies sent to Hotmail recipients? >> That seems contrary to what you were saying before, about the problem >> occurring even when originating a new message in Windows Mail. >> If it is strictly a Hotmail problem, this is not the right forum for that. >> AFAIK, none of the regular responders here are Hotmail experts. Quote: > The following QUESTION was posted to WINDOWS.VISTA.MAIL newsgroup but now > posted here as issue with WINDOWS LIVE MAIL (formerly HOTMAIL) service... > specifically, email servers embed encoding/header information in CONTENT of > email itself... but only when sending/receiving between HOTMAIL accounts. > See comments below for examples. Any idea as to how to remove this? > Something hotmail.com support has to address? ...Grant desktop email client. What used to be called, "MSN Hotmail" is now called, "Windows Live Hotmail". I believe that the 'microsoft.public.msn.discussion' forum on these servers is still the best, most appropriate forum for any discussions pertaining to "Hotmail". I have replied to your original post in the 'windows.vista.mail' newsgroup. But I can't replicate your original problem. Hotmail to Hotmail email that I have sent does not show header lines in the message body. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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