Vista - Fixing something that isn't broke!

04-29-2008

Ryder, one quick comment before supper. In a folder where you have
imported mails, click on the column headers in the Message list,
select Columns and Account. Do the entries in that column agree with
your expectation? Imported mail (and - I haven't tested - possibly
IMAP mail moved to a Storage folder) may not have account
information, so the kind of rule that includes "where the message is
from the x account" can't help but fail for those messages when you
Apply now.
--
Noel

"Ryder" <ryder@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uPjTJxhqIHA.3508@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Well, I don't use rules to move downloaded email to an email
> account's folder, never have used it for that purpose, except
> emails that come to our website...they go into the respective
> website folder for that domain.
>
> My rules, since they executed on the OE inbox while downloading,
> are more geared to topic. Example: an incoming travel
> reservation where the From is from AirlinesA, subject is
> "reservation confirmation" move to AirlinesA folder, and stop
> processing more rules. In OE, works without a hitch. In WLM, I
> select the rule to execute and the folder to execute on, the move
> to folder is located in the Storage Folder area...since this is
> where WLM imported all my folders. However, the rule shows it's
> executing, but nothing happens. The email is still in the source
> folder/account. By the way, WLM dumped unprocessed rules into the
> first email account it found, so that's where I point the rule to
> execute on, not the gmail account, since there's nothing in there.
>
> Another type of rule is based on the sender, an example is a rule
> to move all my daughter's incoming emails to her folder, where the
> From lists all her email accounts, and the move to is her folder
> name, and stop processing more rules. In OE, this works fine. In
> WLM, selected the rule, selected the folder to apply to, but the
> email sits in the same place and never moves.
>
> The first rule I tested that didn't work....on the account WLM
> imported unprocessed email was a rule to delete emails from a
> specific company, where From is CompanyA, delete, stop processing
> more rules....created in WLM...and it didn't work. The same rule
> created in OE works. That's what got me started on testing my
> imported OE rules and creating new rules in WLM.
>
> Out of curiosity, I created a rule to move my hughesnet email to
> an existing hughesnet folder located in the Storage Folder area,
> and that rule worked just fine.
>
> I do not have my email going to HughesNet since their connection
> to internet and email servers is too unreliable, so all my email
> gets forwarded to Gmail and downloaded from there. The only
> reason I had an email from HughesNet to test with is because they
> sent out a notice to their customers. Otherwise, I would have had
> to test send an email to hughesnet. Anyway, the point is that the
> rules seem to execute on my ISP emails, not on any of my imported
> gmail emails. I have not checked my gmail account for new email
> to test with, maybe that's what I need to do. It shouldn't
> matter whether the email is imported or freshly downloaded...to
> test a rule.
>
> Anyway, I'll play more with it when I get the time, in the
> meantime, am still using OE as the primary until I see certain
> things working the way I think they should in WLM.
>
> Thanks for your input and comments.
>
> Regards,
> Ryder
>
>
> "...winston" <winstonmvp@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:4FC1571A-5C60-4B60-B8AD-B910A1A036D3@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> It works on my gmail pop3 enabled account. It is the last rule in
>> the sequence of all other rules, all others are stopped prior to
>> the Gmail rule starting.
>>
>> It was currently set to move it to a separate user create folder
>> within my Gmail account.
>> I also changed to move to a user created folder in the Storage
>> folders, works there too.
>>
>> Note: It does take a while for the unread counter to show up
>> indicating I've an unread message regardless of the folder to
>> which it is moved.
>>
>> My rule is setup as:
>> Where the To Line contains my gmail address, then move it to the
>> specified folder, then stop processing more rules?
>>
>> What criteria are you using ?
>> --
>> ...winston
>> ms-mvp mail
>>
>>
>> "Ryder" <ryder@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:uztScVaqIHA.2208@xxxxxx

Quote:

>>> Problem is, it doesn't work like it did in OE. Yes, the OE
>>> rules imported, but no, the behavior is quite different. So
>>> far, I
>>> could only get rules to work on my local ISP account -
>>> HughesNet - downloads. Rules did not work to move my downloaded
>>> Gmail
>>> emails to the appropriate folders in the same way that OE works.
>>>
>>> The Help files states that Gmail is considered POP3...and rules
>>> don't work on HTTP accounts...that said, the rules should work,
>>> but it doesn't. And by the way, Gmail is set for POP3 download
>>> and delete from server once downloaded.
>>>
>>> I think there is something wrong under the hood with the way WLM
>>> executes rules on a downloaded Gmail account.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ryder

>>
>>
>>

>
>

04-30-2008

Let's us know what you find out..
My only point was that adding additional rules for my Gmail pop3 enabled account functioned as designed.
Fyi...
I've 5 separate accounts with 12 functional rules(for those accounts, 5 of which are geared to topic, 3 to sender) to move messages
to user created folders in the account and/or the storage folder depending upon my preference.
When initially setting up WLM:
I did not import rules, all were created 'clean' in WLM.
All email accounts in WLM were setup via importing the iaf account file(iaf file created in OE).
All user created folders were created manually after importing the iaf file and prior to importing messages(via dbx files)
All imported messages that were imported to the storage folders were moved to my desired location(inbox, user created folders etc),
then rules created. They've worked reliably since.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"Ryder" <ryder@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uPjTJxhqIHA.3508@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Well, I don't use rules to move downloaded email to an email account's folder, never have used it for that purpose, except emails
> that come to our website...they go into the respective website folder for that domain.
>
> My rules, since they executed on the OE inbox while downloading, are more geared to topic. Example: an incoming travel
> reservation where the From is from AirlinesA, subject is "reservation confirmation" move to AirlinesA folder, and stop processing
> more rules. In OE, works without a hitch. In WLM, I select the rule to execute and the folder to execute on, the move to folder
> is located in the Storage Folder area...since this is where WLM imported all my folders. However, the rule shows it's executing,
> but nothing happens. The email is still in the source folder/account. By the way, WLM dumped unprocessed rules into the first
> email account it found, so that's where I point the rule to execute on, not the gmail account, since there's nothing in there.
>
> Another type of rule is based on the sender, an example is a rule to move all my daughter's incoming emails to her folder, where
> the From lists all her email accounts, and the move to is her folder name, and stop processing more rules. In OE, this works
> fine. In WLM, selected the rule, selected the folder to apply to, but the email sits in the same place and never moves.
>
> The first rule I tested that didn't work....on the account WLM imported unprocessed email was a rule to delete emails from a
> specific company, where From is CompanyA, delete, stop processing more rules....created in WLM...and it didn't work. The same
> rule created in OE works. That's what got me started on testing my imported OE rules and creating new rules in WLM.
>
> Out of curiosity, I created a rule to move my hughesnet email to an existing hughesnet folder located in the Storage Folder area,
> and that rule worked just fine.
>
> I do not have my email going to HughesNet since their connection to internet and email servers is too unreliable, so all my email
> gets forwarded to Gmail and downloaded from there. The only reason I had an email from HughesNet to test with is because they
> sent out a notice to their customers. Otherwise, I would have had to test send an email to hughesnet. Anyway, the point is that
> the rules seem to execute on my ISP emails, not on any of my imported gmail emails. I have not checked my gmail account for new
> email to test with, maybe that's what I need to do. It shouldn't matter whether the email is imported or freshly
> downloaded...to test a rule.
>
> Anyway, I'll play more with it when I get the time, in the meantime, am still using OE as the primary until I see certain things
> working the way I think they should in WLM.
>
> Thanks for your input and comments.
>

04-29-2008	#21 (permalink)
Ildhund n/a posts	Re: Fixing something that isn't broke! Ryder, one quick comment before supper. In a folder where you have imported mails, click on the column headers in the Message list, select Columns and Account. Do the entries in that column agree with your expectation? Imported mail (and - I haven't tested - possibly IMAP mail moved to a Storage folder) may not have account information, so the kind of rule that includes "where the message is from the x account" can't help but fail for those messages when you Apply now. -- Noel "Ryder" <ryder@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uPjTJxhqIHA.3508@xxxxxx Quote: > Well, I don't use rules to move downloaded email to an email > account's folder, never have used it for that purpose, except > emails that come to our website...they go into the respective > website folder for that domain. > > My rules, since they executed on the OE inbox while downloading, > are more geared to topic. Example: an incoming travel > reservation where the From is from AirlinesA, subject is > "reservation confirmation" move to AirlinesA folder, and stop > processing more rules. In OE, works without a hitch. In WLM, I > select the rule to execute and the folder to execute on, the move > to folder is located in the Storage Folder area...since this is > where WLM imported all my folders. However, the rule shows it's > executing, but nothing happens. The email is still in the source > folder/account. By the way, WLM dumped unprocessed rules into the > first email account it found, so that's where I point the rule to > execute on, not the gmail account, since there's nothing in there. > > Another type of rule is based on the sender, an example is a rule > to move all my daughter's incoming emails to her folder, where the > From lists all her email accounts, and the move to is her folder > name, and stop processing more rules. In OE, this works fine. In > WLM, selected the rule, selected the folder to apply to, but the > email sits in the same place and never moves. > > The first rule I tested that didn't work....on the account WLM > imported unprocessed email was a rule to delete emails from a > specific company, where From is CompanyA, delete, stop processing > more rules....created in WLM...and it didn't work. The same rule > created in OE works. That's what got me started on testing my > imported OE rules and creating new rules in WLM. > > Out of curiosity, I created a rule to move my hughesnet email to > an existing hughesnet folder located in the Storage Folder area, > and that rule worked just fine. > > I do not have my email going to HughesNet since their connection > to internet and email servers is too unreliable, so all my email > gets forwarded to Gmail and downloaded from there. The only > reason I had an email from HughesNet to test with is because they > sent out a notice to their customers. Otherwise, I would have had > to test send an email to hughesnet. Anyway, the point is that the > rules seem to execute on my ISP emails, not on any of my imported > gmail emails. I have not checked my gmail account for new email > to test with, maybe that's what I need to do. It shouldn't > matter whether the email is imported or freshly downloaded...to > test a rule. > > Anyway, I'll play more with it when I get the time, in the > meantime, am still using OE as the primary until I see certain > things working the way I think they should in WLM. > > Thanks for your input and comments. > > Regards, > Ryder > > > "...winston" <winstonmvp@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:4FC1571A-5C60-4B60-B8AD-B910A1A036D3@xxxxxx Quote: >> It works on my gmail pop3 enabled account. It is the last rule in >> the sequence of all other rules, all others are stopped prior to >> the Gmail rule starting. >> >> It was currently set to move it to a separate user create folder >> within my Gmail account. >> I also changed to move to a user created folder in the Storage >> folders, works there too. >> >> Note: It does take a while for the unread counter to show up >> indicating I've an unread message regardless of the folder to >> which it is moved. >> >> My rule is setup as: >> Where the To Line contains my gmail address, then move it to the >> specified folder, then stop processing more rules? >> >> What criteria are you using ? >> -- >> ...winston >> ms-mvp mail >> >> >> "Ryder" <ryder@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:uztScVaqIHA.2208@xxxxxx Quote: >>> Problem is, it doesn't work like it did in OE. Yes, the OE >>> rules imported, but no, the behavior is quite different. So >>> far, I >>> could only get rules to work on my local ISP account - >>> HughesNet - downloads. Rules did not work to move my downloaded >>> Gmail >>> emails to the appropriate folders in the same way that OE works. >>> >>> The Help files states that Gmail is considered POP3...and rules >>> don't work on HTTP accounts...that said, the rules should work, >>> but it doesn't. And by the way, Gmail is set for POP3 download >>> and delete from server once downloaded. >>> >>> I think there is something wrong under the hood with the way WLM >>> executes rules on a downloaded Gmail account. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Ryder >> >> >> > >
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04-30-2008	#22 (permalink)
...winston n/a posts	Re: Fixing something that isn't broke! Let's us know what you find out.. My only point was that adding additional rules for my Gmail pop3 enabled account functioned as designed. Fyi... I've 5 separate accounts with 12 functional rules(for those accounts, 5 of which are geared to topic, 3 to sender) to move messages to user created folders in the account and/or the storage folder depending upon my preference. When initially setting up WLM: I did not import rules, all were created 'clean' in WLM. All email accounts in WLM were setup via importing the iaf account file(iaf file created in OE). All user created folders were created manually after importing the iaf file and prior to importing messages(via dbx files) All imported messages that were imported to the storage folders were moved to my desired location(inbox, user created folders etc), then rules created. They've worked reliably since. -- ...winston ms-mvp mail "Ryder" <ryder@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uPjTJxhqIHA.3508@xxxxxx Quote: > Well, I don't use rules to move downloaded email to an email account's folder, never have used it for that purpose, except emails > that come to our website...they go into the respective website folder for that domain. > > My rules, since they executed on the OE inbox while downloading, are more geared to topic. Example: an incoming travel > reservation where the From is from AirlinesA, subject is "reservation confirmation" move to AirlinesA folder, and stop processing > more rules. In OE, works without a hitch. In WLM, I select the rule to execute and the folder to execute on, the move to folder > is located in the Storage Folder area...since this is where WLM imported all my folders. However, the rule shows it's executing, > but nothing happens. The email is still in the source folder/account. By the way, WLM dumped unprocessed rules into the first > email account it found, so that's where I point the rule to execute on, not the gmail account, since there's nothing in there. > > Another type of rule is based on the sender, an example is a rule to move all my daughter's incoming emails to her folder, where > the From lists all her email accounts, and the move to is her folder name, and stop processing more rules. In OE, this works > fine. In WLM, selected the rule, selected the folder to apply to, but the email sits in the same place and never moves. > > The first rule I tested that didn't work....on the account WLM imported unprocessed email was a rule to delete emails from a > specific company, where From is CompanyA, delete, stop processing more rules....created in WLM...and it didn't work. The same > rule created in OE works. That's what got me started on testing my imported OE rules and creating new rules in WLM. > > Out of curiosity, I created a rule to move my hughesnet email to an existing hughesnet folder located in the Storage Folder area, > and that rule worked just fine. > > I do not have my email going to HughesNet since their connection to internet and email servers is too unreliable, so all my email > gets forwarded to Gmail and downloaded from there. The only reason I had an email from HughesNet to test with is because they > sent out a notice to their customers. Otherwise, I would have had to test send an email to hughesnet. Anyway, the point is that > the rules seem to execute on my ISP emails, not on any of my imported gmail emails. I have not checked my gmail account for new > email to test with, maybe that's what I need to do. It shouldn't matter whether the email is imported or freshly > downloaded...to test a rule. > > Anyway, I'll play more with it when I get the time, in the meantime, am still using OE as the primary until I see certain things > working the way I think they should in WLM. > > Thanks for your input and comments. >
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