Vista - Where's the improved security???... Lets Keep OE6

Thanks for reading, you'll be glad you did!...

If you ever thought that "Identities" lacked security in Outlook Express,
Or that emails saved as .dbx were rather limited in security...

Take a look at how WLM stores your email now!!!... If I had a weak heart I'd
die from laughing!!!... The hackers, trojans & stuff is gonna have a FIELD
time with this!!!...

You can view ANYONES email if they have a login on the PC, easier then
before...
You can view ANYONES email if there's a slightly bad network setup...
You can even do the above much easier then before if you take the hard drive
& place it into another computer!!!... Now THERE'S security for you!!!...

Individual emails are stored as .eml - Yeah, that's right... EVERY SINGLE
EMAIL you receive... they are all stored as standard emails... And Microsoft
say WLM has increased security because of individual user logins which is why
they've done away with Identities!!!... What a load of crock!...

I asked my 10yr old to find my emails without loggin onto my account, He
managed it within 40seconds, & he was using his restricted user account...

See if you or your kid can do it any quicker... you don't even need to be
running Windows!!!... that's how insecure it is now!!!...
There are only two ways to deter email theft... but it won't stop it!...

Oh My GOD!... I at least expected it to take him a couple of minutes!!!...
Who do these God who call themselves Microsoft really think they are... I
reckon they actually think they are... God!!!...

Feck it, WML is so tacky, so insecure that I'm just gonna put up a "User on
Vacation, please send to my POP address"... Ok, POP may not be fantastic, but
OE worked with hotmail perfectly, .dbx may not have been fantastic, but it
was an awful lot better then this load of crock...

How long was this in Beta for?... I remember trying it & tellin them what I
thought of it, but everytime I use it now I find something else as bad as, or
worse then before!!!...

It's a total disaster!!!... LETS KEEP Outlook Express 6!!!...

I don't care if it's free or not, I expect a product to improve, hell, IE6
was an improvement on IE5, IE7 just about improved on IE6... But come on...
lets not go back to the stone age!!!...

Still, all the Beta feedback was never listened to, so why should we expect
out comments on here to be listened too...

Hope you've all got your PC's WELL PROTECTED!!!... The Hackers are in their
glory here!!!... Big Brother doesn't need a camera anymore, it has our
email!...

Any body noticed how quickly there have been several sites dedicated to the
problems of WLM... The reason none of this was discovered or corrected was
because the Beta version was only tested by those users who welcome change...
Hardly anyone who didn't want change would have tested it... Why would they?
They didn't want the change in the first place... But now they're having it
forced upon them, oh look how many of us COMPLAIN!!!... And so we should!!!...

WE DON'T ALL WANT A CHANGE!!!... indeed, if you're gonna change the
appearance of a product, have it come with a feature like "Classic"... MS did
that with the change from Windows95/98/me to XP & even Vista has a "Classic"
feature in it's settings... What does THAT tell you!!!...

You are so wrong. You should protect your windows account from access from
other users. Non-admin users have NO right to access your files IF your
account is protected. If I am not mistaken, in Vista it is by default,
whereas in XP you have to enable this specifically.
If WLM uses a different storage format it does not mean that it is less
secure. OE identities are very easy to read from 3rd parties as well.
Actually wlm's way of storing emails is more reliable in case of file
corruption.
Anyway: anyone with physical access to a machine can get evrything he wants
out of it. It's enough to boot from a Knoppix CD and you can view every
single file on the hard drive.
s.

"Maffysdad" <Maffysdad@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Sebastian Vega" <nospam@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:%23gBw2XepIHA.4912@xxxxxxSo what? Instead of making the step forward to add additional encryption to the OE dbx files,
they made a step back and placed the e-mails in separate files.
Also the disk consumption increased, etc. What will be with chkdsk, antiviruses, file search,etc with millions
of e-mail files on disk? You will recommend to buy new, more strong computer?

Aleksey.

thanks for your post Sebastian, (excuse me if this post is a little jumbled).

The post wasn't so much a topic of "physical" access to a computer, as
security issues. "Physical" access can be at the keyboard, trojan via
keylogging, or just networked, & I used the hard drive in another system
example just to show how much easier it's become, as in you didn't need to so
much setup a mail program to CLEARLY read the emails, you could simply access
them, they are much more open now.

At least with .dbx files they were larger more single files for the OE
folder they related too, so to transmit over a network/internet you either
had to take a chance at being caught on the network transmitting a large
file, sometimes in excess of a couple of GB. Even if you did a in depth
search on a PC for a word within a .dbx file, you need the whole file even if
you were only going to copy & paste.
Now you can pretty much re-transmit just the emails. So if you did an in
depth search now, lets say for the word "ABC Company", you end up with a list
of ALL those emails!... Not very safe is it... I'm so not getting into a in
depth discussion on how to access a PC, you seem to understand the 3rd party
programs to allow you to remove or by-pass the login password in XP, well if
the file system is NTFS then at least making the email directory "Private"
might go someway to protecting the .eml files, can you imagine if someone was
still using FAT32... I'm an IT guy, I have to be aware of the potential for
the problem before it becomes a problem...

You seem capable of understanding how potentially easy it is to get into a
system, I suspect you can also see there is a greater risk now then before.

Not all people are as tech savy as you & I. MS don't quite seem to
understand or appreciate this, they appear to think everyone is a IT
genius!... Look at how many people buy "Anti-Spam" software, I'm sure you are
aware that just by placing a few simple rules in OE or even WLM & you've got
all the anti-spam you need. Yet people aren't always aware of the simple
things. How many people actually protect their system fully?. Even Govt's
lose CD's with millions of names & information on, & aren't they suppose to
be the professionals telling US how to prevent ID theft ect... This is going
to become a problem, it's going to creep up behind MS & bite them in a
backside, & there is going to be a huge amount of fall out because of it, &
every one affected is going to read these posts & say "but you were told ages
ago of the problem, why didn't you do something, like pospone it's release
until it had been fixed!".

Another thing that was in a post was related post was defragging, you also
mentioned in case of file corruption. A backup, even of a .dbx file via a
back up is normally done within a large file, password protected, which
should protect the backup there by protecting a corruption.

Defragging, well, with hundreds of "small" files, scattered all over the
disk, any file recovery program, even if you have "Private" files turned on,
a file recovery program, even ran from a limited user acc is going to find
hundreds of deleted files, many fragments, pictures from emails ect from
files that are no longer protected by the "Private" setting, since they don't
appear to be deleted via a random multi-pass eraser... jesus, that alone
could be a post!!!...

This WLM is a time bomb that we are being forced to watch tick away on our
computers, infact, it's nothing less then a trojan or a virus that's going to
explode in our faces & MS need to be aware of it, act on it & listen to those
of us who pay their wages!... We are after all the end consumer!...

Thanks for posting Sebastian.
Regards,
Maffysdad.


"Sebastian Vega" wrote: