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Old 04-25-2008   #1 (permalink)
topsax
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Outlook Express/Windows Live Mail

Currently, I use different identities in outlook express, how can I do this
in Windows live mail?
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topsax
Old 04-25-2008   #2 (permalink)
Ildhund
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Re: Outlook Express/Windows Live Mail

Two things to try:
File > Identities. If you can't see the file menu, press Alt+F+D.

Press F1 and write Identities in the search box. Select "How do I
protect my e-mail with a password?" in the results pane. This is
some of what is written there:
"You can't create Microsoft Outlook Express e-mail identities in
Windows Live Mail. Instead, to protect each user's e-mail with a
password, create a separate Windows user account and password for
each person who wants to use Windows Live Mail on the computer. Each
user will then be able to log on only to their own Windows account
and access only their own Windows Live Mail e-mail accounts."
You can learn a great deal about this program by reading through the
help files.
--
Noel

"topsax" <topsax@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Currently, I use different identities in outlook express, how can
> I do this in Windows live mail?


Old 04-25-2008   #3 (permalink)
Liviu
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Re: Outlook Express/Windows Live Mail


"topsax" <topsax@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:2A593C9A-F518-4AFA-A6CF-B617942A83C0@xxxxxx
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> Currently, I use different identities in outlook express,
> how can I do this in Windows live mail?
You can't. What used to be "identities" in OE has no equivalent in WLM.
Bottom line, you'll have to live without identities, or without WLM.


P.S. You'll notice that some say "retiring" identities is in fact
holier, safer for you. I say, judge for yourself. The alternative of
using different user accounts (a) always existed, is not directly
related to either OE or WLM, and smells of a red herring in this
context, (b) is no substitute for the OE identities functionality. If
you had security concerns regarding saved identity data, then you
shouldn't have been using identities to begin with. On the other hand,
if you simply used identities to organize your own single user data,
then WLM slammed that door shut in your face.


Old 04-25-2008   #4 (permalink)
N. Miller
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Re: Outlook Express/Windows Live Mail

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:23:58 -0500, Liviu wrote:
Quote:

> On the other hand, if you simply used identities to organize your own
> single user data, then WLM slammed that door shut in your face.
MS Outlook Express could not set up separate POP3 accounts in a single
Identity. You *had* to use Identities if you wanted to keep your email
separate when accessing 'pop.mail.yahoo.com' for different 'yahoo.com'
accounts; or set up rules.

What I mean is, logging in to %User_ID001@xxxxxx and logging in to
%User_ID002@xxxxxx results in all email from both accounts being lumped
into a common Inbox.

Windows Live Mail can keep POP3 accounts separated without Identities. I'd
guess the programmers felt that to be a good enough reason not to include
them.

That is, your %User_ID001%@yahoo.com account is a separate item listed in
the account view than your %User_ID002%@yahoo.com account.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
Old 04-25-2008   #5 (permalink)
Liviu
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Re: Outlook Express/Windows Live Mail


"N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1atam5czchxbi$.dlg@xxxxxx
Quote:

> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:23:58 -0500, Liviu wrote:
>
Quote:

>> On the other hand, if you simply used identities to organize your own
>> single user data, then WLM slammed that door shut in your face.
>
> MS Outlook Express could not set up separate POP3 accounts in a single
> Identity. You *had* to use Identities if you wanted to keep your email
> separate when accessing 'pop.mail.yahoo.com' for different 'yahoo.com'
> accounts; or set up rules.
Exactly. I mean "set up rules", they work just fine.
Quote:

> Windows Live Mail can keep POP3 accounts separated without Identities.
What about when you _want_ them merged? Set up a rule, I guess ;-)
Quote:

> I'd guess the programmers felt that to be a good enough reason not to
> include them.
Maybe, maybe not. Again, that's second-guessing and over-rationalizing.
Bare truth is that the feature was dropped, and the WLM team could
have just given us the straight "we own it, and decided to discontinue
identities for our reasons which you, the end user, would not understand
and have no saying into, anyway" vs. all this "identities are evil, and
you were an idiot for ever using them in OE" inuendo ;-)






Old 04-25-2008   #6 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen
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Re: Outlook Express/Windows Live Mail

"Liviu" <lab2k1@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:u$vhjxzpIHA.2208@xxxxxx
Quote:

>
> "topsax" <topsax@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:2A593C9A-F518-4AFA-A6CF-B617942A83C0@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> Currently, I use different identities in outlook express,
>> how can I do this in Windows live mail?
>
> You can't. What used to be "identities" in OE has no equivalent in WLM.
> Bottom line, you'll have to live without identities, or without WLM.
>
>
> P.S. You'll notice that some say "retiring" identities is in fact
> holier, safer for you. I say, judge for yourself. The alternative of
> using different user accounts (a) always existed, is not directly
> related to either OE or WLM, and smells of a red herring in this
> context, (b) is no substitute for the OE identities functionality. If
> you had security concerns regarding saved identity data, then you
> shouldn't have been using identities to begin with. On the other hand,
> if you simply used identities to organize your own single user data,
> then WLM slammed that door shut in your face.
If you "simply used identities to organize your own single user data"
then WLM does that for you by giving each mail account its own set
of folders.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)



Old 04-25-2008   #7 (permalink)
Liviu
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Re: Outlook Express/Windows Live Mail


"Gary VanderMolen" <gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:e7PpDR1pIHA.4716@xxxxxx
Quote:

> "Liviu" <lab2k1@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:u$vhjxzpIHA.2208@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>
>> [...] On the other hand, if you simply used identities to organize
>> your own single user data, then WLM slammed that door shut in your
>> face.
>
> If you "simply used identities to organize your own single user data"
> then WLM does that for you by giving each mail account its own set
> of folders.
No, not by a long shot. I hardly use the stock folders for anything but
short-lived transit, so there is little difference in sorting out or
setting rules for one inbox vs. several. In contrast, having a separate
per-identity "store" which can be copied, moved and backed up easily,
entirely or piecewise, is quite handy for organizing / maintenance.

FWIW, I do realize that WLM is a done deal, identities are gone, and
don't mean to fight windmills. I am just ticked off when a clear step
backwards is masqueraded as an advance. I, for one, am perfectly
comfortable with staying at OE for now. In fact, only reason why I set
up WLM side-by-side is to (manually) move the rare incoming hotmail to a
gmail account which I can then access using standard protocols ;-)



Old 04-26-2008   #8 (permalink)
N. Miller
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Re: Outlook Express/Windows Live Mail

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:12:06 -0500, Liviu wrote:
Quote:

> "N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:1atam5czchxbi$.dlg@xxxxxx
Quote:
Quote:

>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:23:58 -0500, Liviu wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:

>>> On the other hand, if you simply used identities to organize your own
>>> single user data, then WLM slammed that door shut in your face.
Quote:
Quote:

>> MS Outlook Express could not set up separate POP3 accounts in a single
>> Identity. You *had* to use Identities if you wanted to keep your email
>> separate when accessing 'pop.mail.yahoo.com' for different 'yahoo.com'
>> accounts; or set up rules.
Quote:

> Exactly. I mean "set up rules", they work just fine.
Those who wanted their email separated had to use rules in MSOE.
Quote:
Quote:

>> Windows Live Mail can keep POP3 accounts separated without Identities.
Quote:

> What about when you _want_ them merged? Set up a rule, I guess ;-)
Those who want their email combined have to use rules in WLM.

Half wanted it one way, half the other. You just can't please everyone, so
just please yourself.
Quote:
Quote:

>> I'd guess the programmers felt that to be a good enough reason not to
>> include them.
Quote:

> Maybe, maybe not. Again, that's second-guessing and over-rationalizing.
> Bare truth is that the feature was dropped, and the WLM team could
> have just given us the straight "we own it, and decided to discontinue
> identities for our reasons which you, the end user, would not understand
> and have no saying into, anyway" vs. all this "identities are evil, and
> you were an idiot for ever using them in OE" inuendo ;-)
In the context of security, Identities are useless. That is all that I have
ever said about them. But even you have admitted that.

In the context of organization, I found Identities to be clunky,
inconvenient. WLM works more like Mozilla Thunderbird in this regard. Maybe
MSFT is just responding to declining market share.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
Old 04-26-2008   #9 (permalink)
topsax
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Re: Outlook Express/Windows Live Mail

I am unable to create users because I am using the admin for my user if I set
up any users I cannot get to the admin screen without going to safe screen
--
topsax


"Ildhund" wrote:
Quote:

> Two things to try:
> File > Identities. If you can't see the file menu, press Alt+F+D.
>
> Press F1 and write Identities in the search box. Select "How do I
> protect my e-mail with a password?" in the results pane. This is
> some of what is written there:
> "You can't create Microsoft Outlook Express e-mail identities in
> Windows Live Mail. Instead, to protect each user's e-mail with a
> password, create a separate Windows user account and password for
> each person who wants to use Windows Live Mail on the computer. Each
> user will then be able to log on only to their own Windows account
> and access only their own Windows Live Mail e-mail accounts."
> You can learn a great deal about this program by reading through the
> help files.
> --
> Noel
>
> "topsax" <topsax@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:2A593C9A-F518-4AFA-A6CF-B617942A83C0@xxxxxx
Quote:

> > Currently, I use different identities in outlook express, how can
> > I do this in Windows live mail?
>
>
>
>
Old 04-26-2008   #10 (permalink)
Liviu
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Re: Outlook Express/Windows Live Mail


"N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Quote:

> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:12:06 -0500, Liviu wrote:
>
Quote:

>> "N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:1atam5czchxbi$.dlg@xxxxxx
>
Quote: