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05-01-2008
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| | Re: Outlook Express v Windows Live Mail [X-post to WLM NG] Quote: > I have now installed Windows Live Mail. In the process, the > installation program asked me whether I wanted Live Mail to become the > default email program - to which I answered "No". Consequently, I still > have Outlook Express as my default email and newsreader. Quote: > Incidentally, Live Mail did not delete the OE shortcuts from my Desktop, > Start Menu or the Quick Launch bar. Quote: > ...It also copied the NNTP news accounts from OE to > Live Mail. Please tell us if installing any future Outlook (not OE) Updates affects the status of WLMail being the default Mail Client. Request: Please test the MailTo/SendTo functionality in MS Word right now and let us know (1) if it works and (2) what Mail Client is invoked if it works. -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ Bob Lucas wrote: Quote: > A big Thank You to Michael (and everybody else who responded). You have > provided all the information I need to make an informed decision. > > I have now installed Windows Live Mail. In the process, the > installation program asked me whether I wanted Live Mail to become the > default email program - to which I answered "No". Consequently, I still > have Outlook Express as my default email and newsreader. > > Then, the installer copied all of my POP3/SMTP and HTTP mail accounts > from OE to Live Mail. It also copied the NNTP news accounts from OE to > Live Mail. > > Live Mail works well with the MSN / Hotmail accounts and I like the > "Unread Feed" facility. However, I still prefer OE for everything else, > so I have deleted the POP3/SMTP and NNTP accounts from Live Mail. > Similarly, I deleted the HTTP Hotmail and MSN accounts from Live Mail. > Now, I have the best of both worlds with no conflicts between the OE6 > and Live Mail programs. > > Incidentally, Live Mail did not delete the OE shortcuts from my Desktop, > Start Menu or the Quick Launch bar. As far as I can see, the only snag > affected the address book in Live Mail. I maintain my comprehensive > address book (Bob Lucas.wab) locally on my computer. Initially, Live > Mail imported a heavily abbreviated address book from the webmail > interface of my Hotmail account (which I use very infrequently, whilst I > am away from home). I needed to import my full address book manually. > > "Michael Santovec" wrote: Quote: >> Windows Live Mail (WLM) is based on Outlook Express and pretty much >> the same program and has similar features including a number of the >> same quirks. >> >> One of the biggest differences is under the covers. WLM dumps the >> fragile DBX files for the message store and uses EML files (one per >> message). >> >> If you are using Identities, that's one thing you'll lose. If you are >> using them for multiple users on a PC, then WLM expects you to use >> Windows User Logons instead. If you are using them to separate POP3 >> accounts, WLM does a better job of that directly. But if you are >> truly using identities, such as to separate personal verses business >> accounts, that will be a problem. >> >> There are some cosmetic differences in the look and feel. But once >> you look at the menu options, you'll find much that is a direct copy, >> although some options have been moved around. >> >> As to your specific questions: >> >> 1) WLM uses its own address book. It will import the OE WAB file. It >> supports groups but not folders. Members of a group must be in the >> main contacts, whereas OE allows you to put e-mail addresses in a >> group without putting them in the main contacts. >> >> 2) WLM has its own spell checker and is not dependent on Word/Office. >> The upside is that you avoid the OE/Office 2007 fiasco. The down side >> is a limited number of languages (English, Spanish, French, German, >> Korean). >> >> 3) On install WLM will import the OE data and make itself the default >> mail program. OE is still installed with all its data. It's pretty >> easy to switch back. >> >> To set Outlook Express back as the default mail program: >> Start, Run and enter: >> >> "C:\Program Files\Outlook Express\msimn.exe" /reg >> >> To recreate missing shortcuts to start OE, create a shortcut with the >> target: >> >> "C:\Program Files\Outlook Express\msimn.exe" >> >> "Bob Lucas" wrote: Quote: >>> Windows XP Professional, SP2 >>> IE7 >>> OE6 >>> Microsoft Office Professional 2000 >>> >>> I use Outlook Express as my default program for the following >>> purposes: >>> >>> a) Downloading and sending emails (POP3 & SMTP servers) >>> >>> b) To access my free "grandfather" Hotmail and MSN accounts via >>> the HTTP server at http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp >>> >>> c) Newsreader (NNTP servers) >>> >>> I use the address book C:\Documents and Settings\...\Address Book\Bob >>> Lucas.wab in conjunction with OE. My address book includes several >>> Groups / Distribution Lists. >>> >>> I have received an email from Microsoft, which states, "we want to >>> provide advanced notice that as of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is >>> disabling the DAV protocol and you will no longer be able to access >>> your Hotmail Inbox via Outlook Express. As an alternative, we >>> recommend that you download Windows Live Mail, a free desktop e-mail >>> client that has the familiarity of Outlook Express and much more." >>> >>> It seems I will have the following options: >>> >>> 1. Switch to Windows Live Mail or >>> >>> 2. Continue to use Outlook Express to access my POP3, SMTP and >>> NNTP servers - and use the webmail interface for Hotmail and MSN mail >>> accounts. >>> >>> Microsoft are promoting Live Mail, so it would be naive for me to >>> expect them to tell me about the drawbacks (if any). I like OE, >>> which until now, has done everything I require from an email and >>> newsreader. To assist with this decision, I wonder whether anyone can >>> provide a brief summary of the primary differences between Outlook >>> Express and Windows Live Mail. >>> >>> In particular, does Live Mail have any major disadvantages. Is it >>> compatible with my existing address book and the spell-checker in >>> Word 2000. Most importantly, would I be able to revert to Outlook >>> Express, if I don't like Live Mail? |
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05-02-2008
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| | Re: Outlook Express v Windows Live Mail 1. Live Mail copied the news accounts from OE. I deleted the news accounts from Live Mail, without bothering to check whether it had also copied news messages. 2. I use Outlook (from Office 2000) very rarely. Microsoft Update does not download automatic updates for Office 2000 - and there are no updates available at present on Office Update. If a future Outlook Update changes the default Mail Client, it is very easy to change it back to OE. 3. As requested, I have tested the "Send to/Mail to" function in Word 2000. It invoked Outlook Express as the Mail client - which worked OK. I don't know whether this also applies to Word 2003 or later. "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:u8jsm27qIHA.4560@xxxxxx Quote: > [X-post to WLM NG] > Quote: >> I have now installed Windows Live Mail. In the process, the >> installation program asked me whether I wanted Live Mail to become >> the >> default email program - to which I answered "No". Consequently, I >> still >> have Outlook Express as my default email and newsreader. Quote: >> Incidentally, Live Mail did not delete the OE shortcuts from my >> Desktop, >> Start Menu or the Quick Launch bar. > Hoorah! > Quote: >> ...It also copied the NNTP news accounts from OE to >> Live Mail. > But not news messages, right? > > Please tell us if installing any future Outlook (not OE) Updates > affects the status of WLMail being the default Mail Client. > > Request: Please test the MailTo/SendTo functionality in MS Word right > now and let us know (1) if it works and (2) what Mail Client is > invoked if it works. > -- > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 > AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net > DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ > > > Bob Lucas wrote: Quote: >> A big Thank You to Michael (and everybody else who responded). You >> have >> provided all the information I need to make an informed decision. >> >> I have now installed Windows Live Mail. In the process, the >> installation program asked me whether I wanted Live Mail to become >> the >> default email program - to which I answered "No". Consequently, I >> still >> have Outlook Express as my default email and newsreader. >> >> Then, the installer copied all of my POP3/SMTP and HTTP mail accounts >> from OE to Live Mail. It also copied the NNTP news accounts from OE >> to >> Live Mail. >> >> Live Mail works well with the MSN / Hotmail accounts and I like the >> "Unread Feed" facility. However, I still prefer OE for everything >> else, >> so I have deleted the POP3/SMTP and NNTP accounts from Live Mail. >> Similarly, I deleted the HTTP Hotmail and MSN accounts from Live >> Mail. >> Now, I have the best of both worlds with no conflicts between the OE6 >> and Live Mail programs. >> >> Incidentally, Live Mail did not delete the OE shortcuts from my >> Desktop, >> Start Menu or the Quick Launch bar. As far as I can see, the only >> snag >> affected the address book in Live Mail. I maintain my comprehensive >> address book (Bob Lucas.wab) locally on my computer. Initially, Live >> Mail imported a heavily abbreviated address book from the webmail >> interface of my Hotmail account (which I use very infrequently, >> whilst I >> am away from home). I needed to import my full address book >> manually. >> >> "Michael Santovec" wrote: Quote: >>> Windows Live Mail (WLM) is based on Outlook Express and pretty much >>> the same program and has similar features including a number of the >>> same quirks. >>> >>> One of the biggest differences is under the covers. WLM dumps the >>> fragile DBX files for the message store and uses EML files (one per >>> message). >>> >>> If you are using Identities, that's one thing you'll lose. If you >>> are >>> using them for multiple users on a PC, then WLM expects you to use >>> Windows User Logons instead. If you are using them to separate POP3 >>> accounts, WLM does a better job of that directly. But if you are >>> truly using identities, such as to separate personal verses business >>> accounts, that will be a problem. >>> >>> There are some cosmetic differences in the look and feel. But once >>> you look at the menu options, you'll find much that is a direct >>> copy, >>> although some options have been moved around. >>> >>> As to your specific questions: >>> >>> 1) WLM uses its own address book. It will import the OE WAB file. >>> It >>> supports groups but not folders. Members of a group must be in the >>> main contacts, whereas OE allows you to put e-mail addresses in a >>> group without putting them in the main contacts. >>> >>> 2) WLM has its own spell checker and is not dependent on >>> Word/Office. >>> The upside is that you avoid the OE/Office 2007 fiasco. The down >>> side >>> is a limited number of languages (English, Spanish, French, German, >>> Korean). >>> >>> 3) On install WLM will import the OE data and make itself the >>> default >>> mail program. OE is still installed with all its data. It's pretty >>> easy to switch back. >>> >>> To set Outlook Express back as the default mail program: >>> Start, Run and enter: >>> >>> "C:\Program Files\Outlook Express\msimn.exe" /reg >>> >>> To recreate missing shortcuts to start OE, create a shortcut with >>> the >>> target: >>> >>> "C:\Program Files\Outlook Express\msimn.exe" >>> >>> "Bob Lucas" wrote: >>>> Windows XP Professional, SP2 >>>> IE7 >>>> OE6 >>>> Microsoft Office Professional 2000 >>>> >>>> I use Outlook Express as my default program for the following >>>> purposes: >>>> >>>> a) Downloading and sending emails (POP3 & SMTP servers) >>>> >>>> b) To access my free "grandfather" Hotmail and MSN accounts via >>>> the HTTP server at >>>> http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp >>>> >>>> c) Newsreader (NNTP servers) >>>> >>>> I use the address book C:\Documents and Settings\...\Address >>>> Book\Bob >>>> Lucas.wab in conjunction with OE. My address book includes several >>>> Groups / Distribution Lists. >>>> >>>> I have received an email from Microsoft, which states, "we want to >>>> provide advanced notice that as of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is >>>> disabling the DAV protocol and you will no longer be able to access >>>> your Hotmail Inbox via Outlook Express. As an alternative, we >>>> recommend that you download Windows Live Mail, a free desktop >>>> client that has the familiarity of Outlook Express and much more." >>>> >>>> It seems I will have the following options: >>>> >>>> 1. Switch to Windows Live Mail or >>>> >>>> 2. Continue to use Outlook Express to access my POP3, SMTP and >>>> NNTP servers - and use the webmail interface for Hotmail and MSN >>>> accounts. >>>> >>>> Microsoft are promoting Live Mail, so it would be naive for me to >>>> expect them to tell me about the drawbacks (if any). I like OE, >>>> which until now, has done everything I require from an email and >>>> newsreader. To assist with this decision, I wonder whether anyone >>>> can >>>> provide a brief summary of the primary differences between Outlook >>>> Express and Windows Live Mail. >>>> >>>> In particular, does Live Mail have any major disadvantages. Is it >>>> compatible with my existing address book and the spell-checker in >>>> Word 2000. Most importantly, would I be able to revert to Outlook >>>> Express, if I don't like Live Mail? |
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