I cannot see anything on the help files that either explain how to delete
files, besides the thirty day automated rule and as you said from a Privacy
point of view I am also concerned as there is nothing in the help files that
explains who then has access to hose photos. Are they somehow limited to
access only by the person you sent it to, or are they open for everyone to
see. If it is the latter, ,then there should be anauatomatic warning when you
send photos to the Windows Live Space using Windows Live Mail - Photo EMail
option.

Mike



"davidacoder" wrote:

> That seems quite problematic from a privacy as well as copyright point of
> view...
>
> Best,
> David
>
> "Tanja [MSFT]" <tfour@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:ugAoB1JqHHA.4132@xxxxxx

> > There's really no way to remove the photos after they've been uploaded.
> > They'll stay up there for 30 days at which time they'll be removed.
> >
> > --tanja
> >
> > "davidacoder" <davidacoder@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:B9300D55-2700-41E5-98A1-3162069902EB@xxxxxx

> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> how can I delete a photo that was uploaded with a photo mail to the Live
> >> website from MS? I do not want the photo to stay uploaded.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> David

> >

To access an image in a photo e-mail, you have to know the URL. I
just sent myself two pictures, and the URLs are
http://bf24jw.bay.livefilestore.com/...9TE8k/pic1.jpg

http://bf24jw.bay.livefilestore.com/...2vvsw/pic2.jpg

Apart from the first 14, the virtual folder name seems to be made up
of 64 random alphanumeric characters. I defy anyone to happen upon
that by chance, when the probability is something like 1 in a
googol. (It would take the Oak Ridge supercomputer due to come into
service next year 10^77 years to try every combination, if my maths
is correct.) Otherwise, the photos are just as available to anyone
your correspondent sends the URL to as would any picture you sent to
him by e-mail. I can't see any less privacy involved in that. What
would your warning say? "If you don't want anyone but the recipient
to see this image, please tell him not to forward it to anybody."
--
Noel
[The thread you're contributing to is almost a year old!]

"TheCommunicator" <TheCommunicator@xxxxxx> wrote
in message
news:048A7D80-4166-4BC6-B347-4A88A347AA9C@xxxxxx

> I cannot see anything on the help files that either explain how to
> delete
> files, besides the thirty day automated rule and as you said from
> a Privacy
> point of view I am also concerned as there is nothing in the help
> files that
> explains who then has access to hose photos. Are they somehow
> limited to
> access only by the person you sent it to, or are they open for
> everyone to
> see. If it is the latter, ,then there should be anauatomatic
> warning when you
> send photos to the Windows Live Space using Windows Live Mail -
> Photo EMail
> option.
>
> Mike
>
> "davidacoder" wrote:
>

>> That seems quite problematic from a privacy as well as copyright
>> point of
>> view...
>>
>> Best,
>> David
>>
>> "Tanja [MSFT]" <tfour@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>> news:ugAoB1JqHHA.4132@xxxxxx

>> > There's really no way to remove the photos after they've been
>> > uploaded.
>> > They'll stay up there for 30 days at which time they'll be
>> > removed.
>> >
>> > --tanja
>> >
>> > "davidacoder" <davidacoder@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> > news:B9300D55-2700-41E5-98A1-3162069902EB@xxxxxx
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> how can I delete a photo that was uploaded with a photo mail
>> >> to the Live
>> >> website from MS? I do not want the photo to stay uploaded.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> David
>> >

Do I take that it is you in the first URL <g>

--
Joan Archer
http://www.freewebs.com/crossstitcher
http://lachsoft.com/photogallery

"Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:#hYq6nGrIHA.5940@xxxxxx

> To access an image in a photo e-mail, you have to know the URL. I just
> sent myself two pictures, and the URLs are
> http://bf24jw.bay.livefilestore.com/...9TE8k/pic1.jpg
>
> http://bf24jw.bay.livefilestore.com/...2vvsw/pic2.jpg
>
> Apart from the first 14, the virtual folder name seems to be made up of 64
> random alphanumeric characters. I defy anyone to happen upon that by
> chance, when the probability is something like 1 in a googol. (It would
> take the Oak Ridge supercomputer due to come into service next year 10^77
> years to try every combination, if my maths is correct.) Otherwise, the
> photos are just as available to anyone your correspondent sends the URL to
> as would any picture you sent to him by e-mail. I can't see any less
> privacy involved in that. What would your warning say? "If you don't want
> anyone but the recipient to see this image, please tell him not to forward
> it to anybody."
> --
> Noel
> [The thread you're contributing to is almost a year old!]
>

Noel,

Thanks for the input. Your statement clarified what I thought to be true.

In terms of warning, I was thinkiing about the warning being more for the
person sending the photos from his Windows Live Mail client. I sent some
photos, saw the screen asking whether to make the photos smaller and thought
this was a good idea. I did not realise where they were going to be placed
for download. The warning should just be to ensure that people are aware of
where the photos will end up and the deletion policy of 30 days. I have had
to spend time looking through forums and help files to find anything useful
on this. It should be clear to the user exactly what is happening to his
photos.

Mike


"Ildhund" wrote:

> To access an image in a photo e-mail, you have to know the URL. I
> just sent myself two pictures, and the URLs are
> http://bf24jw.bay.livefilestore.com/...9TE8k/pic1.jpg
>
> http://bf24jw.bay.livefilestore.com/...2vvsw/pic2.jpg
>
> Apart from the first 14, the virtual folder name seems to be made up
> of 64 random alphanumeric characters. I defy anyone to happen upon
> that by chance, when the probability is something like 1 in a
> googol. (It would take the Oak Ridge supercomputer due to come into
> service next year 10^77 years to try every combination, if my maths
> is correct.) Otherwise, the photos are just as available to anyone
> your correspondent sends the URL to as would any picture you sent to
> him by e-mail. I can't see any less privacy involved in that. What
> would your warning say? "If you don't want anyone but the recipient
> to see this image, please tell him not to forward it to anybody."
> --
> Noel
> [The thread you're contributing to is almost a year old!]
>
> "TheCommunicator" <TheCommunicator@xxxxxx> wrote
> in message
> news:048A7D80-4166-4BC6-B347-4A88A347AA9C@xxxxxx

> > I cannot see anything on the help files that either explain how to
> > delete
> > files, besides the thirty day automated rule and as you said from
> > a Privacy
> > point of view I am also concerned as there is nothing in the help
> > files that
> > explains who then has access to hose photos. Are they somehow
> > limited to
> > access only by the person you sent it to, or are they open for
> > everyone to
> > see. If it is the latter, ,then there should be anauatomatic
> > warning when you
> > send photos to the Windows Live Space using Windows Live Mail -
> > Photo EMail
> > option.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > "davidacoder" wrote:
> >

> >> That seems quite problematic from a privacy as well as copyright
> >> point of
> >> view...
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> David
> >>
> >> "Tanja [MSFT]" <tfour@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> >> news:ugAoB1JqHHA.4132@xxxxxx
> >> > There's really no way to remove the photos after they've been
> >> > uploaded.
> >> > They'll stay up there for 30 days at which time they'll be
> >> > removed.
> >> >
> >> > --tanja
> >> >
> >> > "davidacoder" <davidacoder@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> > news:B9300D55-2700-41E5-98A1-3162069902EB@xxxxxx
> >> >> Hi all,
> >> >>
> >> >> how can I delete a photo that was uploaded with a photo mail
> >> >> to the Live
> >> >> website from MS? I do not want the photo to stay uploaded.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> David
> >> >

>

No, it's not. But you inadvertently unearthed something very
curious. I deliberately changed the name of the file before
posting - the idea was simply to illustrate the likelihood of anyone
being able to access the photo without knowing the URL. I fully
expected that anyone clicking the link would get a 404, but
obviously not.

It clearly makes no difference what comes after the last "/". In
fact, that last "/" doesn't even have to be there. This must
contravene some standard or other. Any ideas, anybody?

It's actually a pic of our friendly neighbourhood cop - hope he
doesn't mind my having pasted him all over cyberspace!
--
Noel

"Joan Archer" <archer_joan@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:#Ah7gwGrIHA.4476@xxxxxx

> Do I take that it is you in the first URL <g>
>
> --
> Joan Archer
> http://www.freewebs.com/crossstitcher
> http://lachsoft.com/photogallery
>
> "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:#hYq6nGrIHA.5940@xxxxxx

>> To access an image in a photo e-mail, you have to know the URL. I
>> just sent myself two pictures, and the URLs are
>> http://bf24jw.bay.livefilestore.com/...9TE8k/pic1.jpg
>>
>> http://bf24jw.bay.livefilestore.com/...2vvsw/pic2.jpg
>>
>> Apart from the first 14, the virtual folder name seems to be made
>> up of 64 random alphanumeric characters. I defy anyone to happen
>> upon that by chance, when the probability is something like 1 in
>> a googol. (It would take the Oak Ridge supercomputer due to come
>> into service next year 10^77 years to try every combination, if
>> my maths is correct.) Otherwise, the photos are just as available
>> to anyone your correspondent sends the URL to as would any
>> picture you sent to him by e-mail. I can't see any less privacy
>> involved in that. What would your warning say? "If you don't want
>> anyone but the recipient to see this image, please tell him not
>> to forward it to anybody."
>> --
>> Noel
>> [The thread you're contributing to is almost a year old!]
>>

>
>

I think the write up about photo e-mails in Help makes it perfectly
clear that images will be uploaded to MS servers, whence they will
be deleted 30 days later. I personally think that they are a darn
sight safer there than swanning around in (unencrypted) e-mail.
--
Noel

"TheCommunicator" <TheCommunicator@xxxxxx> wrote
in message
news:A6B78A16-1A9A-4111-AF29-8465DCB06878@xxxxxx

> Noel,
>
> Thanks for the input. Your statement clarified what I thought to
> be true.
>
> In terms of warning, I was thinkiing about the warning being more
> for the
> person sending the photos from his Windows Live Mail client. I
> sent some
> photos, saw the screen asking whether to make the photos smaller
> and thought
> this was a good idea. I did not realise where they were going to
> be placed
> for download. The warning should just be to ensure that people are
> aware of
> where the photos will end up and the deletion policy of 30 days. I
> have had
> to spend time looking through forums and help files to find
> anything useful
> on this. It should be clear to the user exactly what is happening
> to his
> photos.
>
> Mike
>
>
> "Ildhund" wrote:
>

>> To access an image in a photo e-mail, you have to know the URL. I
>> just sent myself two pictures, and the URLs are
>> http://bf24jw.bay.livefilestore.com/...9TE8k/pic1.jpg
>>
>> http://bf24jw.bay.livefilestore.com/...2vvsw/pic2.jpg
>>
>> Apart from the first 14, the virtual folder name seems to be made
>> up
>> of 64 random alphanumeric characters. I defy anyone to happen
>> upon
>> that by chance, when the probability is something like 1 in a
>> googol. (It would take the Oak Ridge supercomputer due to come
>> into
>> service next year 10^77 years to try every combination, if my
>> maths
>> is correct.) Otherwise, the photos are just as available to
>> anyone
>> your correspondent sends the URL to as would any picture you sent
>> to
>> him by e-mail. I can't see any less privacy involved in that.
>> What
>> would your warning say? "If you don't want anyone but the
>> recipient
>> to see this image, please tell him not to forward it to anybody."
>> --
>> Noel
>> [The thread you're contributing to is almost a year old!]
>>
>> "TheCommunicator" <TheCommunicator@xxxxxx>
>> wrote
>> in message
>> news:048A7D80-4166-4BC6-B347-4A88A347AA9C@xxxxxx

>> > I cannot see anything on the help files that either explain how
>> > to
>> > delete
>> > files, besides the thirty day automated rule and as you said
>> > from
>> > a Privacy
>> > point of view I am also concerned as there is nothing in the
>> > help
>> > files that
>> > explains who then has access to hose photos. Are they somehow
>> > limited to
>> > access only by the person you sent it to, or are they open for
>> > everyone to
>> > see. If it is the latter, ,then there should be anauatomatic
>> > warning when you
>> > send photos to the Windows Live Space using Windows Live Mail -
>> > Photo EMail
>> > option.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > "davidacoder" wrote:
>> >
>> >> That seems quite problematic from a privacy as well as
>> >> copyright
>> >> point of
>> >> view...
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >> David
>> >>
>> >> "Tanja [MSFT]" <tfour@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>> >> news:ugAoB1JqHHA.4132@xxxxxx
>> >> > There's really no way to remove the photos after they've
>> >> > been
>> >> > uploaded.
>> >> > They'll stay up there for 30 days at which time they'll be
>> >> > removed.
>> >> >
>> >> > --tanja
>> >> >
>> >> > "davidacoder" <davidacoder@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> > news:B9300D55-2700-41E5-98A1-3162069902EB@xxxxxx
>> >> >> Hi all,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> how can I delete a photo that was uploaded with a photo
>> >> >> mail
>> >> >> to the Live
>> >> >> website from MS? I do not want the photo to stay uploaded.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> David
>> >> >

>>

As far as what a web server displays when you leave off the file name
but get to the correct directory, that depends on how the web
server program is configured. For example, the actual file name of
a home page is something like www.domain.com/index.html, but
you can leave off the 'index.html' part because the web server
has been programmed to serve up the home page by default.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)


"Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:ehYwdPJrIHA.4884@xxxxxx

> No, it's not. But you inadvertently unearthed something very curious. I deliberately changed the name of the file before
> posting - the idea was simply to illustrate the likelihood of anyone being able to access the photo without knowing the URL. I
> fully expected that anyone clicking the link would get a 404, but obviously not.
>
> It clearly makes no difference what comes after the last "/". In fact, that last "/" doesn't even have to be there. This must
> contravene some standard or other. Any ideas, anybody?
>
> It's actually a pic of our friendly neighbourhood cop - hope he doesn't mind my having pasted him all over cyberspace!
> --
> Noel
>
> "Joan Archer" <archer_joan@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#Ah7gwGrIHA.4476@xxxxxx

>> Do I take that it is you in the first URL <g>
>>
>> --
>> Joan Archer
>> http://www.freewebs.com/crossstitcher
>> http://lachsoft.com/photogallery
>>
>> "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#hYq6nGrIHA.5940@xxxxxx

>>> To access an image in a photo e-mail, you have to know the URL. I just sent myself two pictures, and the URLs are
>>> http://bf24jw.bay.livefilestore.com/...9TE8k/pic1.jpg
>>>
>>> http://bf24jw.bay.livefilestore.com/...2vvsw/pic2.jpg
>>>
>>> Apart from the first 14, the virtual folder name seems to be made up of 64 random alphanumeric characters. I defy anyone to
>>> happen upon that by chance, when the probability is something like 1 in a googol. (It would take the Oak Ridge supercomputer
>>> due to come into service next year 10^77 years to try every combination, if my maths is correct.) Otherwise, the photos are
>>> just as available to anyone your correspondent sends the URL to as would any picture you sent to him by e-mail. I can't see
>>> any less privacy involved in that. What would your warning say? "If you don't want anyone but the recipient to see this image,
>>> please tell him not to forward it to anybody."
>>> --
>>> Noel
>>> [The thread you're contributing to is almost a year old!]
>>>

>>
>>

It's their server, they can make URLs respond however they want.

It looks like the only significance of the part after the slash is that
it comes up as the default file name when you right click and select
Save Picture As.

I find that if I munge the resource name (random characters) I just get
a blank page. No error message.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm


"Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ehYwdPJrIHA.4884@xxxxxx

> No, it's not. But you inadvertently unearthed something very curious.
> I deliberately changed the name of the file before posting - the idea
> was simply to illustrate the likelihood of anyone being able to access
> the photo without knowing the URL. I fully expected that anyone
> clicking the link would get a 404, but obviously not.
>
> It clearly makes no difference what comes after the last "/". In fact,
> that last "/" doesn't even have to be there. This must contravene some
> standard or other. Any ideas, anybody?
>
> It's actually a pic of our friendly neighbourhood cop - hope he
> doesn't mind my having pasted him all over cyberspace!
> --
> Noel
>
> "Joan Archer" <archer_joan@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:#Ah7gwGrIHA.4476@xxxxxx

>> Do I take that it is you in the first URL <g>
>>
>> --
>> Joan Archer
>> http://www.freewebs.com/crossstitcher
>> http://lachsoft.com/photogallery
>>
>> "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:#hYq6nGrIHA.5940@xxxxxx

>>> To access an image in a photo e-mail, you have to know the URL. I
>>> just sent myself two pictures, and the URLs are
>>> http://bf24jw.bay.livefilestore.com/...9TE8k/pic1.jpg
>>>
>>> http://bf24jw.bay.livefilestore.com/...2vvsw/pic2.jpg
>>>
>>> Apart from the first 14, the virtual folder name seems to be made up
>>> of 64 random alphanumeric characters. I defy anyone to happen upon
>>> that by chance, when the probability is something like 1 in a
>>> googol. (It would take the Oak Ridge supercomputer due to come into
>>> service next year 10^77 years to try every combination, if my maths
>>> is correct.) Otherwise, the photos are just as available to anyone
>>> your correspondent sends the URL to as would any picture you sent to
>>> him by e-mail. I can't see any less privacy involved in that. What
>>> would your warning say? "If you don't want anyone but the recipient
>>> to see this image, please tell him not to forward it to anybody."
>>> --
>>> Noel
>>> [The thread you're contributing to is almost a year old!]
>>>

>>
>>