"Ildhund" wrote in <news:#1Yzk5jrIHA.1200@xxxxxx>:
> "VanguardLH" wrote ...
>> I also do NOT have Windows Live Mail automatically login to my
>> Windows Live Hotmail account when it starts. I don't use Hotmail
>> (not anymore).
> Difficult to see how you could log in to a Hotmail account if you
> don't use Hotmail.
Not *using* a Hotmail account doesn't mean that I don't have one, or
several (I had 5 and am now down to 2). I *have* a bunch of stuff in my
garage that I also do not *use*.
>> The workaround you suggest would require me to create multiple
>> Live IDs just to be able to *locally* organize my contacts for use
>> by non-Live ID accounts.
It seems wasteful to be creating extra accounts just as a workaround to
the lack of organization within a contacts list. It also incurs the
headaches of having to maintain multiple accounts. It's very much like
having to carry around multiple one-chapter books rather than having all
the chapters within a single book. Yeah, doable but messy.
>> Clicking on the Contacts bar in the left-pane brings up the
>> *local* contacts list.
> Clicking on the 'Contacts' icon (or bar if you haven't collapsed it)
> at the foot of the Folder pane brings up one of potentially many
> *local* lists of contacts, the one associated with your sign-in Live
> ID. If you're not signed in, then it brings up the *local* Default
> list. It's not a 'workaround' - just a different way of doing
So are those contacts actually available locally when *not* logged in to
those other Live ID accounts? Wouldn't be of any value if I had to
logout of one Live ID and log into a different Live ID to get at the
contacts in the other Live ID account. Are the contacts for each Live
ID account available while offline from that account?
>> In the window that opens to show that address book, I cannot
>> figure out how to create subfolders.
> That's because the program doesn't allow for folders in its contacts
> databases. Just like Gmail doesn't work with message folders like
> most other webmail services.
Not sure what you meant there. Gmail has IMAP access so all its folders
are available. Setup in WLM is a bit goofy for Gmail in that WLM
doesn't seem to properly preset the root folder to "[Gmail]" and you end
up with a set of local folders and another set of server folders but
adding the root in the e-mail account fixes that.
>> The Windows Address Book (.wab file) has had this ability since,
>> well, probably forever from its creation and availability. Odd
>> that Microsoft decided to discard this organizational feature in
>> Windows Live Mail's contacts list.
> It took a lot of persuading to get my wife to drive a car that had
> no clutch pedal. Since she learned to drive with automatic
> transmission, she's never looked back.
You're going the wrong way. Having organization ready available within
the same interface is like having the automatic transmission. Having to
create multiple Live IDs and presuming their contact lists are available
in WLM when *not* connected to each Live ID is like having the manual
transmission. I don't anyone that can't figure out how to drive an
automatic when they used to drive a manual, but I know lots of folks
that won't go from an automatic to a manual transmission.
> Using Live IDs to separate contacts into groups works for me, but if
> you're determined to insist on using the technique you're used to,
> just do that in another client.
Yes, if it works, it is doable. Doesn't mean it is desirable or even
logical. I doubt it is mainstream that users instinctively figure out
that they need multiple Live IDs to get some organization to their
contacts lists, so doing this is a workaround, not an intended method
for organization. It's doable. Watering the lawn by repeatedly walking
around with a water can is doable, too.
Thanks for the info, anyway. It does provide a workaround should I
decide to go that way.