Vista - reading my Live Mail on different machines

Hello,
Opening Live Mail on another machine, I have the pleasure to find my MSN
account all set with all the folders I have created and filled with all the
nice mails I have decided to put there. This proves we are in a real
'webmail' situation.

I do miss however my other POP accounts that I have configured to show up,
using the 'Add a mail account'.
a) is there a way to be able to ask Live Mail to easily show my other POP
accounts when I work on some other machine ?
b) can I recover on this other machine the POP mails that I have saved ?

Thank You
Henry

On Tue, 6 May 2008 02:36:00 -0700, BusyBee wrote:
IMAP is not 'webmail'; no port 80 (HTTP) involved in IMAP (port 143) email.
POP3 differs from IMAP in that all email is downloaded to the local client,
then deleted from the server. Two ways to make POP3 account email available
to different machines:

A. Configure WLM to "Leave messages on the server" in the POP3 accounts. You
will need to set a rule to automatically delete email after 'N' days to keep
the POP3 server from overfilling.

B. Since you have an IMAP account, create special folders on the IMAP
server, and manually move messages from your POP3 server account folders to
those special IMAP account folders. That way, the POP3 messages are moved
onto the IMAP server. The IMAP server won't know that it didn't receive the
email, and the client may get confused, so you will need to use folder names
which will clearly identify the source of their contents.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

Norman,
Thanks. I had indeed noticed that you can manually upload mails to the IMAP
server.
Your answer does however not resolve the following :
How can WLM 'remember' that it has to show more than the default account
associated with my Live ID (I have redirected a gmail acct, 2 business POPs
and 2 private ones) ?
I would not like to reconfigure the WLM settings on every machine I touch...!
Cheers,
Henry


"N. Miller" wrote:

On Tue, 6 May 2008 05:09:00 -0700, BusyBee wrote:
I am not sure that I understand your question. Windows Live Mail shows all
of the accounts in the account tree pane. It will only show POP3 email if
there is email on the POP3 server. If you are using the IMAP account for
offline storage of the POP3 email, there can be an issue: Once you move
email from the POP3 account folder, on any one computer, to the IMAP account
folder, it will no longer be available in the POP3 account folder. Move does
that. Technically, you could use "copy" instead of "move". And bring the
email from the IMAP folder to the POP3 account folder on each computer.

But all of that is just a manual "work around". The IMAP account has no
concept of which POP3 account received any of that email; it is just data
being stored online.

You can't synchronize POP3 accounts as you do IMAP accounts. If manually
manipulating the messages isn't doing what you need, then you can only fall
back on the "Leave message on the server" technique for the POP3 accounts.
Configure WLM to leave a copy of the email on the server on each computer.
Then it will be downloaded when accessed from any other computer.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

Norman,
I am very sorry if I am not clear enough:
- WLM being a client installed on many machines, if I want to read 'all' my
mail (coming from 6 different accounts) on some machine, I cannot just sign
in with my Live ID... The WLM on machine 'f' will not have been configured to
automatically 'add' my other 5 accounts. I will need to do that manually,
which is not the idea at all...
- is there a solution to this issue ?
I hope you understand. Thanks for your patience,
Henry



"N. Miller" wrote:

Henry, I think you're expecting too much. If you sign in with a Live
ID which is also a Hotmail-type e-mail address, this will enable
your contacts to be synchronized between WLMail and Hotmail and give
access to some other features which you can read about in Help (put
'sign in' into the search box). Your Live ID contains no information
about what accounts you may have set up in WLMail on another
machine. You will have to set up the accounts manually in each
instance of WLMail. You could make this easier by using Tools >
Accounts > Export, which will save your account details to an .iaf
file (one per account), which you can then copy to the other
machines and Import at the same place. If your POP accounts are
configured to leave a copy of messages on the server, then you will
see the same messages on each machine.

Is this what you're trying to achieve?
--
Noel

"BusyBee" <BusyBee@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:E45A4B63-25B5-4C84-9CF3-256643D5D681@xxxxxx

No, that can't be done.
As a workaround, you might investigate whether one of your mail
providers allows you to aggregate POP mail from the other accounts.
That way you need to check only one account via webmail when away
from your main computer.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)


"BusyBee" <BusyBee@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:E45A4B63-25B5-4C84-9CF3-256643D5D681@xxxxxx

If you are really all that mobile, you might want to get a small laptop
that you can carry around, or an Internet-enabled PDA.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)


"BusyBee" <BusyBee@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:E45A4B63-25B5-4C84-9CF3-256643D5D681@xxxxxx

On Tue, 6 May 2008 09:10:00 -0700, BusyBee wrote:
First, forget the Windows Live ID sign in. That has absolutely nothing to do
with fetching email; in fact, it is entirely possible to run Windows Live
Mail without a Windows Live ID.
Ah. I think I get it, now. The trouble is, 90% of the end users out there
have no clue how email works. They sort of understand SMTP, POP3, IMAP, and
HTTPMail; but most only want things to "just work", and don't really care,
or need, to know, in detail, "how things work". Alas, email is a complex,
store-and-forward system of message transfer which is nowhere near as simple
as popping a piece of bread into a toaster, and waiting for the toasted
bread to pop up.

Email delivery begins at the sender's message submission SMTP servers (First
Approximation; I won't go into the gory details of how the email gets from
the User Agent, or mail application, to the SMTP server). From there it is
delivered to domain gateway (MX) SMTP servers. And, from there, it is
delivered to the user's mailboxes. If you have six different email accounts,
your email is collecting in six different mailboxes. Windows Live Mail can
only fetch email from mailboxes that it knows about. If it only knows your
Windows Live Hotmail mailbox, that is the only place from which it will
fetch email.

So the real question is: How do we get email from six disparate mailboxes
into one central mailbox?

One way is to configure one of the six email accounts to execute a POP3
fetch from the other accounts (this will only work with POP3 accounts;
because of the nature of IMAP and HTTPMail accounts, which are designed to
read email as it resides on the servers, this doesn't work with those
accounts. Sorry, sometimes you do need to know the details of how email
works.) Because of the nature of Windows Live Hotmail accounts (HTTPMail) I
will assume that you would want to use that account for the aggregation of
the email from the POP3 accounts. I can't test this with a free Windows Live
Hotmail account; POP3 fetch from other accounts is a Hotmail Plus feature.
Which means I don't have a clue as to whether you can configure a scheduled,
automated fetch, which doesn't require manual intervention. Because you
would need an automated fetch in order for your email from your POP3
accounts to automatically be transferred to your Windows Live Hotmail
account. You also have to understand: Your POP3 login name and password must
be given over to Windows Live for this to work. There are possible security
and privacy concerns with this option.

The other way is to configure each of the POP3 accounts to forward all
incoming email to the Windows Live Hotmail account. This has the advantage
of not having to give up sensitive login information to a third party; but
it requires that the POP3 account can be configured to automatically forward
email to another account. This is not, always, an option.

Either method will result in email being aggregated to the Windows Live
Hotmail account, so you would only have to log in to that one account on the
other computers.

I am sorry if that is still too complex and confusing. The simple answer is,
it can't be done easily. You either read the complex description, and try to
grasp it, or you give it up as an impossible undertaking.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

Norman,
Thank you so much for your very clear explanation of the possible options,
which I understand.
The 'strategic' question now is to decide whether it is a good idea or not
to concentrate all my mails towards an msn account...! (because that is the
solution you are proposing).

- As being fond of using Rules to classify incoming messages, and knowing
this won't work with an msn account on WLM, how do people organize themselves
with IMAP accounts ?

Subscription to a Pro version to get enough space allocation, and eventually
ask msn to collect mail from my POP servers.... I may do it if all the issues
are solved.

- From what you know, is it finally a solid solution to concentrate all my
mails to a MSN acct ?

My criteria are:
- my msgs are viewable on-line (with the help of any WLM client), and are
not saved elsewhere
- when off-line, I don't see my mails
- my computer remains clean of my mails (if I read a mail on the IMAP
server, or a mail attachment, does this mail necessarily end up to my hard
disk ?)
- I minimize band width use
- I don't need to back-up my mails (if this is taken care of on the server
side)

Thanks,
Henry


"N. Miller" wrote: