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Old 05-06-2008   #1 (permalink)
Michael Santovec


 
 

Edit Find Messages

I noticed that when in newsgroups, If I select Edit, Find, Messages it
will let me select a newsgroup or Storage Folder for searching. But the
folders in my POP3 accounts are inaccessible.

Is there a way to search the POP3 folders without leaving the newsgroup?

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm





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Old 05-06-2008   #2 (permalink)
Ildhund


 
 

Re: Edit Find Messages

Select the All e-mail Quick view first.
--
Noel

"Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:e3RThn7rIHA.4788@xxxxxx
Quote:

> I noticed that when in newsgroups, If I select Edit, Find,
> Messages it will let me select a newsgroup or Storage Folder for
> searching. But the folders in my POP3 accounts are inaccessible.
>
> Is there a way to search the POP3 folders without leaving the
> newsgroup?
>
> --
>
> Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>
>
>
>
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Old 05-06-2008   #3 (permalink)
Ildhund


 
 

Re: Edit Find Messages

Sorry, I just re-read your post and noticed you were talking about
Edit > Find, not Find a message. So, the answer is yes - select the
All e-mail Quick view and use Find a message (Ctrl-E).
--
Noel

"Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:e3RThn7rIHA.4788@xxxxxx
Quote:

> I noticed that when in newsgroups, If I select Edit, Find,
> Messages it will let me select a newsgroup or Storage Folder for
> searching. But the folders in my POP3 accounts are inaccessible.
>
> Is there a way to search the POP3 folders without leaving the
> newsgroup?
>
> --
>
> Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>
>
>
>
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Old 05-06-2008   #4 (permalink)
Robert Aldwinckle


 
 

Re: Edit Find Messages

"Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:e3RThn7rIHA.4788@xxxxxx
Quote:

> I noticed that when in newsgroups, If I select Edit, Find, Messages it
> will let me select a newsgroup or Storage Folder for searching. But the
> folders in my POP3 accounts are inaccessible.
>

Another one of WLMail's incompatibilities/usability
annoyances?

Perhaps related to the new "mode" tabs?
E.g. I can't use Go to Folder (Ctrl-y) to switch to Mail
from Newsroups (or vice versa) without using them either.

Quote:

> Is there a way to search the POP3 folders without leaving the newsgroup?
I guess you're trying to use the old OE standby of having
a Find window always open for your Inbox while you work
in newsgroups?

(FWIW I don't have E-mail configured with WLMail.)

Now the only difference will be that you won't be able
to open the Find window for the Inbox while you are in
the Newsgroups mode. You will only be able to do that
while you are in the Mail mode. Then (question) will
the Find window that you started in the other mode
still be usable when you switch to a different mode?...

It appears that it might. E.g. usually I have a Find window
open for my Drafts (which shares modes). To test this idea
I just switched to Mail mode and opened my Find window.
When I switched back to Newsgroups mode that Find window
was evidently still in Mail mode (e.g. no newsgroups visible
in its Browse... list).

But now this makes more essential than it ever was in OE
that we have a way of specifically identifying our Find windows.
E.g. something more definite than Find Message for a title
would make switching between them *much* easier... ; }

(Serendipity.) Well what do you know? ; ) There is a point
to those mode tabs after all... Switching between them
seems to preserve your context in the other mode.
So if your question means: "Is there a way to start a Find
window for one mode without losing your context in another
mode?" I guess the answer is: yes. ; ) Maybe that Find
window won't seem quite so handy any more either? <eg>


Nevertheless, I do not understand why they have exposed
so much implementation in their UI. It just causes
extra confusion and reduced usability IMO.


Robert
---


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Old 05-06-2008   #5 (permalink)
Michael Santovec


 
 

Re: Edit Find Messages

I don't see how quick views helps.

I'll explain what I'm attempting to do so maybe it will be clearer.

Sometimes when I'm reading through a newsgroup I need to refer to an
e-mail in order to answer a news post it. I don't want to leave the
newsgroup or in any way disturb the currently listed messages in the
newsgroup or my position in the newsgroup.

What I used to do in OE was do Edit, Find, Message and get a dialog
which would let me select any mail or news folder (I usually know what
folder I want to look in) and then enter some search criteria (From, To,
Subject, Body, etc.).

If I attempt to do that in WLM while I'm in a newsgroup, the look in
option does not let me select any of the POP3 mail folders (I don't have
any IMAP or HTTP accounts). It does let me select the storage folders,
which often have what I want. But not the POP3 Inbox or Sent Items
which may be where I want to look. And quick views don't seem to show
in the Find dialog either.

Robert suggested opening the Find dialog while in mail mode. That seems
to work. But since it's not something I use every day, I'd probably
forget to open the dialog before I really need it. And I don't really
like having more dialogs open that I really need.

Unless I can come up with something better, I might just abandon the
POP3 folders and keep everything in the storage folders. With messages
rules I can easily download all incoming mail to a storage folder Inbox.
With Sent Items I'd probably have to move them manually. But I don't
send a lot of mail, so that shouldn't be much of a problem.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:#nkRja8rIHA.5872@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Sorry, I just re-read your post and noticed you were talking about
> Edit > Find, not Find a message. So, the answer is yes - select the
> All e-mail Quick view and use Find a message (Ctrl-E).
> --
> Noel
>
> "Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:e3RThn7rIHA.4788@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> I noticed that when in newsgroups, If I select Edit, Find, Messages
>> it will let me select a newsgroup or Storage Folder for searching.
>> But the folders in my POP3 accounts are inaccessible.
>>
>> Is there a way to search the POP3 folders without leaving the
>> newsgroup?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Old 05-06-2008   #6 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen


 
 

Re: Edit Find Messages

My solution is to use Windows Mail for newsgroups only, and
use WLM for mail. I keep both programs open all the time.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail)


"Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uH8D%23d%23rIHA.524@xxxxxx
Quote:

>I don't see how quick views helps.
>
> I'll explain what I'm attempting to do so maybe it will be clearer.
>
> Sometimes when I'm reading through a newsgroup I need to refer to an e-mail in order to answer a news post it. I don't want to
> leave the newsgroup or in any way disturb the currently listed messages in the newsgroup or my position in the newsgroup.
>
> What I used to do in OE was do Edit, Find, Message and get a dialog which would let me select any mail or news folder (I usually
> know what folder I want to look in) and then enter some search criteria (From, To, Subject, Body, etc.).
>
> If I attempt to do that in WLM while I'm in a newsgroup, the look in option does not let me select any of the POP3 mail folders
> (I don't have any IMAP or HTTP accounts). It does let me select the storage folders, which often have what I want. But not the
> POP3 Inbox or Sent Items which may be where I want to look. And quick views don't seem to show in the Find dialog either.
>
> Robert suggested opening the Find dialog while in mail mode. That seems to work. But since it's not something I use every day,
> I'd probably forget to open the dialog before I really need it. And I don't really like having more dialogs open that I really
> need.
>
> Unless I can come up with something better, I might just abandon the POP3 folders and keep everything in the storage folders.
> With messages rules I can easily download all incoming mail to a storage folder Inbox. With Sent Items I'd probably have to move
> them manually. But I don't send a lot of mail, so that shouldn't be much of a problem.
>
> --
>
> Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>
>
>
> "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#nkRja8rIHA.5872@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> Sorry, I just re-read your post and noticed you were talking about Edit > Find, not Find a message. So, the answer is yes -
>> select the All e-mail Quick view and use Find a message (Ctrl-E).
>> --
>> Noel
>>
>> "Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:e3RThn7rIHA.4788@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>> I noticed that when in newsgroups, If I select Edit, Find, Messages it will let me select a newsgroup or Storage Folder for
>>> searching. But the folders in my POP3 accounts are inaccessible.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to search the POP3 folders without leaving the newsgroup?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

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Old 05-07-2008   #7 (permalink)
Ildhund


 
 

Re: Edit Find Messages

"Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uH8D#d#rIHA.524@xxxxxx
Quote:

> I don't see how quick views helps.
>
> Sometimes when I'm reading through a newsgroup I need to refer to
> an e-mail in order to answer a news post it. I don't want to
> leave the newsgroup or in any way disturb the currently listed
> messages in the newsgroup or my position in the newsgroup.
OK, so my suggestion doesn't help you exactly ("I don't want to
leave the newsgroup"). However, this is the way it works for me:
(1) A newsgroup posting is selected and I view it in the Reading
pane
(2) I hit 'Reply Group' and a Compose window opens. While composing,
I need to refer to an email.
(3) I select the All e-mail Quick view and use Find a message to
locate the one I'm looking for. Copy if necessary.
(4) Reselect the newsgroup. I am returned to where I was before in
the Message list, with focus.
(5) Alt-Tab to bring the Compose window to the front and carry on
composing.

One drawback with this is that the All e-mail Quick view can be slow
if you have a lot of messages and insufficient memory. Performance
seems to improve, though; it is as if it's only the first time in a
session that it's slow, as if a database has to be built and then
stays built - with additions as mail is sent and received -
throughout the session.
--
Noel

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Old 05-07-2008   #8 (permalink)
Michael Santovec


 
 

Re: Edit Find Messages

Thanks for your suggestions. I'll work out something.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:O0Z$XbCsIHA.4228@xxxxxx
Quote:

> "Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:uH8D#d#rIHA.524@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> I don't see how quick views helps.
>>
>> Sometimes when I'm reading through a newsgroup I need to refer to an
>> e-mail in order to answer a news post it. I don't want to leave the
>> newsgroup or in any way disturb the currently listed messages in the
>> newsgroup or my position in the newsgroup.
>
> OK, so my suggestion doesn't help you exactly ("I don't want to leave
> the newsgroup"). However, this is the way it works for me:
> (1) A newsgroup posting is selected and I view it in the Reading pane
> (2) I hit 'Reply Group' and a Compose window opens. While composing, I
> need to refer to an email.
> (3) I select the All e-mail Quick view and use Find a message to
> locate the one I'm looking for. Copy if necessary.
> (4) Reselect the newsgroup. I am returned to where I was before in the
> Message list, with focus.
> (5) Alt-Tab to bring the Compose window to the front and carry on
> composing.
>
> One drawback with this is that the All e-mail Quick view can be slow
> if you have a lot of messages and insufficient memory. Performance
> seems to improve, though; it is as if it's only the first time in a
> session that it's slow, as if a database has to be built and then
> stays built - with additions as mail is sent and received - throughout
> the session.
> --
> Noel

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