Hello,

I am also using WLM as my Newsgroup Reader.

I would like to save the posts in newsgroups that I subscribe to for at
least thirty days, but I cannot figure out how to do so.

Thanks in advance for your help.



Regards,
John E. Golden

John,

Surely the whole idea of USENET is that you don't save the data, the servers
do. That being said it is useful to have the headers available locally for
performance reasons (sort, search etc).

Most Newsgroups (I am tempted to say all) have a much longer retention
period than 30 days - e.g. I have over 20000 headers loaded for this
newsgroup. The oldest item is dated 20060412, its from Larry E where he
raises an issue about setting mail priorities - until just now I did not
have the body of Larry's post just the header, a double click etrieved the
body practically instantaneously - its plain text.

You control how far back you can see via the newsgroup properties sheets - a
little discussed feature of WLM.

Thus one might have different settings for different sorts of groups -
having a lot of headers for a group like this is useful because searches can
yield valuable information that otherwise may be overlooked, or have
disappeared down the drainpipe of what used to be corporate memory. Whereas
retaining a lot of history about the latest big brother series is probably
less useful, - unless you're a media studies wonk.

Retention is also a news server issue - my experience is that ISP news
servers are pretty much useless these days for the serious USENET junkie, in
fact IMO they should stop offering them, they give USENET a bad name - slow,
unreliable etc. I use one of the big 3 public USENET services, all have
long retention policies. They are sometimes more current than the
originators servers - e.g. I see things on my USENET providers server before
they are available via the MSDN or Technet website forums. And they are
fast, I get headers downloaded at about 500-800 per second - I do have high
speed DSL, that max's at about 22Mbps.

One of the regulars in this forum recently asked how it was that I was able
to respond to one of his posts from the middle of last year, thanking him
for the post as it got me out of a hole. The answer is herein. It is also
explains why I will ALWAYS prefer to use an NNTP client rather than a
cumbersome web interface a'la the MSDN forum interface - I don't use MS
Communities the only feature it appears to have is the ability to Vote on
other peoples postings - something I should never do, on principle

Hope this helps put newsgroups in perspective. One of the downsides of
combining SMTP and NNTP into a single client, is that folks imagine they are
nearly the same and can be managed the same. Whereas in fact they use very
different information storage paradigms, and need to be independently
managed - i.e. you wouldn't manage your cat as you would manage your horse.
The only thing they can usefully share in common is the message compose
window.

I think I may be coming to the conclusion that WLM might be a better NNTP
client than it is an SMTP client - which is a long way from where I started.

--
TUT

"John E. Golden" <johnisgolden@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:e4FRcGmsIHA.1872@xxxxxx

> Hello,
>
> I am also using WLM as my Newsgroup Reader.
>
> I would like to save the posts in newsgroups that I subscribe to for at
> least thirty days, but I cannot figure out how to do so.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Regards,
> John E. Golden
>

Tools- Options - Advanced - Maintenance
either uncheck [ ] "Purge newsgroup messages in the background",
or leave it checked, and
check [x] "Delete news messages [30] days after being downloaded"


--
Vista Home Premium 32 SP1
http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview


"John E. Golden" <johnisgolden@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:e4FRcGmsIHA.1872@xxxxxx

> Hello,
>
> I am also using WLM as my Newsgroup Reader.
>
> I would like to save the posts in newsgroups that I subscribe to for at
> least thirty days, but I cannot figure out how to do so.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Regards,
> John E. Golden

"Urbane.Tiger" <viking.warrior@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:E5ydnSFF5LnxP7jVnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@xxxxxx
....

> Most Newsgroups (I am tempted to say all) have a much longer
> retention period than 30 days - e.g. I have over 20000 headers
> loaded for this newsgroup. The oldest item is dated 20060412...

giganews certainly has that advantage over the msnews NNTP servers,
that have just crawled up over 5000 posts since their all-time low
of 3000 a couple of weeks ago.

> You control how far back you can see via the newsgroup properties
> sheets - a little discussed feature of WLM...

Which feature is that?

> One of the regulars in this forum recently asked how it was that I
> was able to respond to one of his posts from the middle of last
> year, thanking him for the post as it got me out of a hole. The
> answer is herein. It is also explains why I will ALWAYS prefer to
> use an NNTP client rather than a cumbersome web interface a'la the
> MSDN forum interface ...

I think you'll find that most if not all of the regular posters in
this group are using NNTP clients. That doesn't really have a
bearing on how far back you can read posts - that is controlled
solely by the NNTP server, surely?
--
Noel

> "John E. Golden" <johnisgolden@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:e4FRcGmsIHA.1872@xxxxxx

>> I am also using WLM as my Newsgroup Reader.
>>
>> I would like to save the posts in newsgroups that I subscribe to
>> for at least thirty days, but I cannot figure out how to do so.

which feature ? Right click newsgroup select Properties, the Synchronise
and Local File sheets have settings that are germane to that newsroup.

the news group server is certainly the "critical" factor, but so too is the
setting for how many headers a synch will fetch (default is 300, max is
1000), so to get the 21,675 headers for this NG that are available from
news.giganews.com one needs to do 22 synchs - hint have a get all headers
option.

I'd like to see some refinement in the Local File sheet options so that you
could delete stuff older than some elapsed time, e.g. for big brother groups
you might set that to 1 day, whereas for this group you might set to 3
years.

I have been flamed by at least one m.p.w.l.m regular for not posting via MS
Forum interface, his advice was of course treated with disdainful silence.

You still haven't told me what RTM means, I know to what RTFM refers, but
mine does have an @#$%!^& entry for RTM.
--
TUT
__________________________________

"Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OV05V2qsIHA.3804@xxxxxx

> "Urbane.Tiger" <viking.warrior@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:E5ydnSFF5LnxP7jVnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@xxxxxx
> ...

>> Most Newsgroups (I am tempted to say all) have a much longer retention
>> period than 30 days - e.g. I have over 20000 headers loaded for this
>> newsgroup. The oldest item is dated 20060412...

>
> giganews certainly has that advantage over the msnews NNTP servers, that
> have just crawled up over 5000 posts since their all-time low of 3000 a
> couple of weeks ago.
>

>> You control how far back you can see via the newsgroup properties
>> sheets - a little discussed feature of WLM...

>
> Which feature is that?
>

>> One of the regulars in this forum recently asked how it was that I was
>> able to respond to one of his posts from the middle of last year,
>> thanking him for the post as it got me out of a hole. The answer is
>> herein. It is also explains why I will ALWAYS prefer to use an NNTP
>> client rather than a cumbersome web interface a'la the MSDN forum
>> interface ...

>
> I think you'll find that most if not all of the regular posters in this
> group are using NNTP clients. That doesn't really have a bearing on how
> far back you can read posts - that is controlled solely by the NNTP
> server, surely?
> --
> Noel
>
>

>> "John E. Golden" <johnisgolden@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:e4FRcGmsIHA.1872@xxxxxx

>

>>> I am also using WLM as my Newsgroup Reader.
>>>
>>> I would like to save the posts in newsgroups that I subscribe to for at
>>> least thirty days, but I cannot figure out how to do so.

>
>
>
>

But that applies the same rule to ALL newsgroups - which certainly not what
I would prefer.



"Dave" <dave@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uRtGzsqsIHA.4492@xxxxxx

> Tools- Options - Advanced - Maintenance
> either uncheck [ ] "Purge newsgroup messages in the background",
> or leave it checked, and
> check [x] "Delete news messages [30] days after being downloaded"
>
>
> --
> Vista Home Premium 32 SP1
> http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
>
>
> "John E. Golden" <johnisgolden@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:e4FRcGmsIHA.1872@xxxxxx

>> Hello,
>>
>> I am also using WLM as my Newsgroup Reader.
>>
>> I would like to save the posts in newsgroups that I subscribe to for at
>> least thirty days, but I cannot figure out how to do so.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John E. Golden

>
>

If you uncheck Get xx headers, all headers will download in one download
session.
--
Ronald Sommer

"Urbane.Tiger" <viking.warrior@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:TI6dnZ40C75HN7rVnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@xxxxxx

> which feature ? Right click newsgroup select Properties, the Synchronise
> and Local File sheets have settings that are germane to that newsroup.
>
> the news group server is certainly the "critical" factor, but so too is
> the setting for how many headers a synch will fetch (default is 300, max
> is 1000), so to get the 21,675 headers for this NG that are available from
> news.giganews.com one needs to do 22 synchs - hint have a get all headers
> option.
>

Urbane.Tiger,

Yes, I agree with you.
WLM should defiantly strive for finer control over synchronization and
maintenance of newsgroups - and, as you pointed out, these setting should be
applied on a newsgroup-by-newsgroup basis, and not as one big blanket
policy.

Are you listening WLM developers? :-)

- Stan


"Urbane.Tiger" <viking.warrior@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:0rudncYCH-9TNrrVnZ2dnUVZ_hninZ2d@xxxxxx

> But that applies the same rule to ALL newsgroups - which certainly not
> what I would prefer.
>
>
>
> "Dave" <dave@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:uRtGzsqsIHA.4492@xxxxxx

>> Tools- Options - Advanced - Maintenance
>> either uncheck [ ] "Purge newsgroup messages in the background",
>> or leave it checked, and
>> check [x] "Delete news messages [30] days after being downloaded"
>>
>>
>> --
>> Vista Home Premium 32 SP1
>> http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
>>
>>
>> "John E. Golden" <johnisgolden@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:e4FRcGmsIHA.1872@xxxxxx

>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am also using WLM as my Newsgroup Reader.
>>>
>>> I would like to save the posts in newsgroups that I subscribe to for at
>>> least thirty days, but I cannot figure out how to do so.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John E. Golden

>>
>>

Gary answered that on 5/10/08 in response to your question in this thread:"
Re: Any way to backup message rules.

Use WLM's Find function(Edit/Find/Message), enter RTM in the 'message' field, click Find Now


--
...winston
ms-mvp mail


"Urbane.Tiger" <viking.warrior@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:TI6dnZ40C75HN7rVnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@xxxxxx

> You still haven't told me what RTM means, I know to what RTFM refers, but mine does have an @#$%!^& entry for RTM.

Each newsgroup has its' own synchronization setting now.
Right click, Synchronization settings
The complaint is that you have to right click each newsgroup to change the
setting and can't view the settings for all newsgroups at one time like OE.

I don't know of any newsgroup reader that allow different maintenance
settings for each newsgroup.
--
Ronald Sommer

"Stan Shankman" <stantheman@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:O9uR8W#sIHA.5268@xxxxxx

> Urbane.Tiger,
>
> Yes, I agree with you.
> WLM should defiantly strive for finer control over synchronization and
> maintenance of newsgroups - and, as you pointed out, these setting should
> be applied on a newsgroup-by-newsgroup basis, and not as one big blanket
> policy.
>
> Are you listening WLM developers? :-)
>
> - Stan
>
>
> "Urbane.Tiger" <viking.warrior@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:0rudncYCH-9TNrrVnZ2dnUVZ_hninZ2d@xxxxxx

>> But that applies the same rule to ALL newsgroups - which certainly not
>> what I would prefer.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dave" <dave@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:uRtGzsqsIHA.4492@xxxxxx

>>> Tools- Options - Advanced - Maintenance
>>> either uncheck [ ] "Purge newsgroup messages in the background",
>>> or leave it checked, and
>>> check [x] "Delete news messages [30] days after being downloaded"
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Vista Home Premium 32 SP1
>>> http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
>>>
>>>
>>> "John E. Golden" <johnisgolden@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:e4FRcGmsIHA.1872@xxxxxx
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I am also using WLM as my Newsgroup Reader.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to save the posts in newsgroups that I subscribe to for at
>>>> least thirty days, but I cannot figure out how to do so.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> John E. Golden
>>>
>>>