Class Action

All free accounts of the the form(Live.com, Hotmail.com, Msn.com) can be accessed in WLM using the DeltaSync Server.

Only free Grandfathered Hotmail accounts(Msn.com or Hotmail.com) can access the servers using the WebDav protocol in OE or OL03/07
or the Outlook Connector(OLC). Grandfathering of an existing account using OE or OL occurred in Oct 2004. New accounts after
that date did not qualify for grandfathering or OE and OL access(though they were capable of using the OLC).
- Http Servers used for Accessing the WebDAV protocol:
MSN.COM http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata
HOTMAIL.COM http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp

Subscription based Hotmail Plus accounts(Live.com, Hotmail.com, Msn.com) today can access:
- Pop3 Server using OE, OL, WLM, WM, or other capable third party client
- DeltaSync server using WLM, (OLC, later, if an when WebDav is deprecated)
- The applicable Http server(see above)using OE or OL or the OLC


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"Brian Murphy" <brianm_94@xxxxxx> wrote in message news1BC10DF-F1B4-4CF1-A0A2-2EFA7E8C030F@xxxxxx

> I tired of all this and moved my email accounts to Google and now use I've moved my business mail onto our corporate server, but I'd like to keep
my private mail (as well as certain sensitive emails) off that server. I
tried google, and I have found their IMAP unreliable, at least with WML.
Maybe I should do some more testing with OE.

Jack,

Is WLM the only thing you've changed since your PC developed the consistency
of chopped liver.

Can you verify that you've not changed or added anything else - especially
any malware protection shields.

My experience is that such things are much more likely to render ones PC
into something resembling blancmange or reinforced concrete than any mail
client.

Apart that have you considered the possibility of a malware infection
itself. It happened to me, one of the symptoms was that WLM started to
exhibit OE like behaviour's, it was bizarre.

re suing MS - it may make you feel better, but MS's life expectancy is
probably longer than your's, so you wont win.

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TUT
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"Jack Gostl" <nomail@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:F18395C9-FB23-4F69-A569-F26346E4DFAB@xxxxxx

> Is WLM the only thing you've changed since your PC developed the The problem started within minutes of installing WLM. I think that's pretty
good verification.

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You all miss the point. The likeley hood of my winning more than $10 is
vanishingly small. But the uproar we can create is not. We have a legitimate
gripe. The fact that its a $10 gripe is a problem unless a large number of
people complain.

On Mon, 12 May 2008 07:05:48 -0400, Jack Gostl wrote:
It is a reasonably good verification that the state of your computer, when
you installed WLM, wasn't sufficiently stable to allow a successful
installation of WLM.

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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

"Jack Gostl" <nomail@xxxxxx> bottom posted in
news:#Tk1jACtIHA.2208@xxxxxx Given the number of different possible ways to access your Hotmail account
pointed out here, I am not sure that the loss of Outlook Express and it's
HTTP protocol constitutes breach of contract. Either WLM or Outlook could
be seen as an improvement, fulfilling whatever implied contractual promise
you are planning to assert and providing more functionality besides. I have
had catastrophic system failures from installing tested commercial software
such as a version of Microsoft Office on the operating system it was
designed to run on, indicating as Norman says something wrong in the base
system installation. I have had to reinstall Windows from scratch and I
wouldn't hold Microsoft liable, although conceivably they could have
designed the operating system and all applications to be 100% bug free, "
Zero Tolerance" for bugs, yeah!

Given that the Outlook Express HTTP protocol has been given a reprieve, well
I don't think your claim is ripe either. I don't believe that you have
legitimate gripe as yet. Maybe revisit the legal avenue when the HTTP
protocol is cut off for good. For now, why don't you use the feedback link?

This is not a place to gripe. This is a volunteer forum, with volunteers
who want to help.

Cheers,

Earle

>> The problem started within minutes of installing WLM. I think that's Smooth operation without a bump for months. Install WLM, everything goes
screwy. Yes, clearly my PC was unstable.

On Mon, 12 May 2008 21:00:42 -0400, Jack Gostl wrote:
I have not seen any of the problems you describe. Your problems with WLM are
*not* ubiquitous. You may have not disabled your AV while you installed, or
may have had some security program with a registry lock. There are any
number of issues which may have interfered with the install. Of course, you
could just continue to believe in your 'post hoc, ergo propter hoc' fantasy,
if you wish. But the Earth is not flat, and it does move.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

>> BTW - one thing is for sure about WLM. Since I started posting here, my I am pleased to say that filing the complaint online was easy, and the
response came with electrifying speed. I urge anyone who likes OE + hotmail,
and doesn't want to be forced onto WLM to go to the above website and take
similar action.