I have been searching without success for information on Microsoft's
intentions on deployment of the Windows Live Mail desktop application.
Is this going to be pushed in an update or service pack or left up to
individual users to deploy. I run a learning center for senior adults
and we would have to revise many of our courses if MS pushes
deployment so we want to be prepared.

Anyone know anything?

Thanks - Joel

Windows Live Mail requires a user to install the application. Windows Live application **updates***(e.g. two recent - Writer,
PhotoGallery have been deployed via Microsoft Update).

Knowing that, are you concerned that you'll miss an update to WLM or a stealth deployment as a replacement for something else in
use.

Thus which of the above are the focus of your preparation plan ?

Fyi..'Desktop' was dropped from the name quite some time ago(about a year).

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail


"joelhe" <joel43@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:6a56b485-7074-443e-bb8d-3ff2b38ae295@xxxxxx

> I have been searching without success for information on Microsoft's
> intentions on deployment of the Windows Live Mail desktop application.
> Is this going to be pushed in an update or service pack or left up to
> individual users to deploy. I run a learning center for senior adults
> and we would have to revise many of our courses if MS pushes
> deployment so we want to be prepared.
>
> Anyone know anything?
>
> Thanks - Joel
>

If you have never manually installed WLM on a PC, it will never be
pushed to you.

If you have installed WLM, then any updates will appear on Windows
Update. If you have enabled Auto-Updates, then the updates will be
installed when Microsoft marks them as High Priority as happens with
Internet Explorer, Outlook Express, etc. Without auto-updates enabled,
you need to manually check for updates.

If you are using some other mail client, Microsoft will not force a
change on you.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"joelhe" <joel43@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:6a56b485-7074-443e-bb8d-3ff2b38ae295@xxxxxx

> I have been searching without success for information on Microsoft's
> intentions on deployment of the Windows Live Mail desktop application.
> Is this going to be pushed in an update or service pack or left up to
> individual users to deploy. I run a learning center for senior adults
> and we would have to revise many of our courses if MS pushes
> deployment so we want to be prepared.
>
> Anyone know anything?
>
> Thanks - Joel
>

Thanks for your reply, Winston. My concern is for a stealth
deployment. We use Deep Freeze so that nothing can change on our
computers without our knowledge and updates are turned off (our tech
guys periodically unfreeze and update) but we always want to be in
sync with the software that our students are using so that if MS did
push Windows Live Mail on their PCs we would have to be prepared.

WLM seems to be a strange bird - a replacement for both OE and Windows
Mail - that users may or may not choose to use so I wonder, if MS
doesn't choose to push it, why did they bother with it in the first
place?

Joel

On May 15, 12:04 pm, "...winston" <winston...@xxxxxx> wrote:

> Windows Live Mail requires a user to install the application. Windows Live application **updates***(e.g. two recent - Writer,
> PhotoGallery have been deployed via Microsoft Update).
>
> Knowing that, are you concerned that you'll miss an update to WLM or a stealth deployment as a replacement for something else in
> use.
>
> Thus which of the above are the focus of your preparation plan ?
>
> Fyi..'Desktop' was dropped from the name quite some time ago(about a year).
>
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
> "joelhe" <joe...@xxxxxx> wrote in messagenews:6a56b485-7074-443e-bb8d-3ff2b38ae295@xxxxxx

> > I have been searching without success for information on Microsoft's
> > intentions on deployment of the Windows Live Mail desktop application.
> > Is this going to be pushed in an update or service pack or left up to
> > individual users to deploy. I run a learning center for senior adults
> > and we would have to revise many of our courses if MS pushes
> > deployment so we want to be prepared.

>

> > Anyone know anything?

>

> > Thanks - Joel

In his previous post, Winston notes two examples of MS pushed
applications so I ask, with all due respect, how do you know they
would never push WLM?

Joel

On May 15, 2:56 pm, "Michael Santovec" <michael_santo...@xxxxxx>
wrote:

> If you have never manually installed WLM on a PC, it will never be
> pushed to you.
>
> If you have installed WLM, then any updates will appear on Windows
> Update. If you have enabled Auto-Updates, then the updates will be
> installed when Microsoft marks them as High Priority as happens with
> Internet Explorer, Outlook Express, etc. Without auto-updates enabled,
> you need to manually check for updates.
>
> If you are using some other mail client, Microsoft will not force a
> change on you.
>
> --
>
> Mike -http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>
> "joelhe" <joe...@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>
> news:6a56b485-7074-443e-bb8d-3ff2b38ae295@xxxxxx
>

> > I have been searching without success for information on Microsoft's
> > intentions on deployment of the Windows Live Mail desktop application.
> > Is this going to be pushed in an update or service pack or left up to
> > individual users to deploy. I run a learning center for senior adults
> > and we would have to revise many of our courses if MS pushes
> > deployment so we want to be prepared.

>

> > Anyone know anything?

>

> > Thanks - Joel

They seem to have given up fixing the problems in Windows Mail, and
decided to offer a newer email/newsreader program instead. Outlook
Express won't run under Vista, so they needed at least one replacement
for it.

"joelhe" <joel43@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:b4d2a2bd-e95a-4268-b2e6-6f9fff3965b6@xxxxxx

> Thanks for your reply, Winston. My concern is for a stealth
> deployment. We use Deep Freeze so that nothing can change on our
> computers without our knowledge and updates are turned off (our tech
> guys periodically unfreeze and update) but we always want to be in
> sync with the software that our students are using so that if MS did
> push Windows Live Mail on their PCs we would have to be prepared.
>
> WLM seems to be a strange bird - a replacement for both OE and Windows
> Mail - that users may or may not choose to use so I wonder, if MS
> doesn't choose to push it, why did they bother with it in the first
> place?
>
> Joel
>
> On May 15, 12:04 pm, "...winston" <winston...@xxxxxx> wrote:

>> Windows Live Mail requires a user to install the application. Windows
>> Live application **updates***(e.g. two recent - Writer,
>> PhotoGallery have been deployed via Microsoft Update).
>>
>> Knowing that, are you concerned that you'll miss an update to WLM or a
>> stealth deployment as a replacement for something else in
>> use.
>>
>> Thus which of the above are the focus of your preparation plan ?
>>
>> Fyi..'Desktop' was dropped from the name quite some time ago(about a
>> year).
>>
>> --
>> ...winston
>> ms-mvp mail
>>
>> "joelhe" <joe...@xxxxxx> wrote in
>> messagenews:6a56b485-7074-443e-bb8d-3ff2b38ae295@xxxxxx

>> > I have been searching without success for information on Microsoft's
>> > intentions on deployment of the Windows Live Mail desktop application.
>> > Is this going to be pushed in an update or service pack or left up to
>> > individual users to deploy. I run a learning center for senior adults
>> > and we would have to revise many of our courses if MS pushes
>> > deployment so we want to be prepared.

>>

>> > Anyone know anything?

>>

>> > Thanks - Joel

>
>
>

Hello Joel,

A variety of reasons. Two often discussed reasons..

-OE was last included in IE6, it is not part of IE7, thus a product strictly tied to XP or earlier and a finite life-cycle for
availability and support. Both of those would indicate resources dedicated elsewhere in the product 'development/maintenance'
cycle. (Note: Life-cycles can be moving targets, though considering the last update for OE was years ago, some might say, even
with its wides-spread usage, its salad days are over and the crone stage is well upon it).
-Vista's Windows Mail(does not support http accounts - fee based(Hotmail, Msn Premium, Partner accounts, or free grandfathered
Hotmail accounts)

-Windows Live Mail handles all types(Pop3, imap, http). For the latter, http, and unlike Outlook Express it handles free Hotmail
accounts. Access via OE was discontinued for free(if not already grandfathered)in Sept 2004.

OE has a sizeable Windows client user base if not using Outlook or another third party client or their isp's web interface is
probably well accustomed to OE's and extremely comfortable with its performance since available 11 years ago(1997). I.e. the
Email client may be old, but with a long history of dependence and satisfaction.

Recently Msft annnounced(and rescinded about 3 weeks later) the discontinuance of using OE to access free or fee based Http
accounts via the WebDAV protocol in favor of the DeltaSync protocol. Windows Live Mail uses the DeltaSync protocol. No date for
how long WebDAV would last, but nothing implying it would remain indefinitely. The DeltaSync protocol for http accounts is more
efficient at managing larger capacity storage needs, and only downloads changed content since last access instead of re-downloading
headers for all online web folders.

At this time, WLM requires the user to install the application, thus a 'stealth' deployment would seem highly unlikely. Just as it
would also be unlikely that some of your students won't choose to use Windows Live Mail since it synchronizes with Windows Live
Messenger and Hotmail(both of which have a significant user base).


--
...winston
ms-mvp mail


"joelhe" <joel43@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:b4d2a2bd-e95a-4268-b2e6-6f9fff3965b6@xxxxxx

> Thanks for your reply, Winston. My concern is for a stealth
> deployment. We use Deep Freeze so that nothing can change on our
> computers without our knowledge and updates are turned off (our tech
> guys periodically unfreeze and update) but we always want to be in
> sync with the software that our students are using so that if MS did
> push Windows Live Mail on their PCs we would have to be prepared.
>
> WLM seems to be a strange bird - a replacement for both OE and Windows
> Mail - that users may or may not choose to use so I wonder, if MS
> doesn't choose to push it, why did they bother with it in the first
> place?
>
> Joel
>
> On May 15, 12:04 pm, "...winston" <winston...@xxxxxx> wrote:

>> Windows Live Mail requires a user to install the application. Windows Live application **updates***(e.g. two recent - Writer,
>> PhotoGallery have been deployed via Microsoft Update).
>>
>> Knowing that, are you concerned that you'll miss an update to WLM or a stealth deployment as a replacement for something else in
>> use.
>>
>> Thus which of the above are the focus of your preparation plan ?
>>
>> Fyi..'Desktop' was dropped from the name quite some time ago(about a year).
>>
>> --
>> ...winston
>> ms-mvp mail
>>
>> "joelhe" <joe...@xxxxxx> wrote in messagenews:6a56b485-7074-443e-bb8d-3ff2b38ae295@xxxxxx

>> > I have been searching without success for information on Microsoft's
>> > intentions on deployment of the Windows Live Mail desktop application.
>> > Is this going to be pushed in an update or service pack or left up to
>> > individual users to deploy. I run a learning center for senior adults
>> > and we would have to revise many of our courses if MS pushes
>> > deployment so we want to be prepared.

>>

>> > Anyone know anything?

>>

>> > Thanks - Joel

>
>
>

Joel,
It's important to note those Live Applications were not pushed, those were updates available via Microsoft Update(an option in
Windows Update) and only to an existing **user installed** Live Application.
- I.e. the updates are only available if one downloaded and installed the original application.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail


"joelhe" <joel43@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:340fc383-d4b4-4a8a-9c57-06518f3699b5@xxxxxx

> In his previous post, Winston notes two examples of MS pushed
> applications so I ask, with all due respect, how do you know they
> would never push WLM?
>
> Joel
>
> On May 15, 2:56 pm, "Michael Santovec" <michael_santo...@xxxxxx>
> wrote:

>> If you have never manually installed WLM on a PC, it will never be
>> pushed to you.
>>
>> If you have installed WLM, then any updates will appear on Windows
>> Update. If you have enabled Auto-Updates, then the updates will be
>> installed when Microsoft marks them as High Priority as happens with
>> Internet Explorer, Outlook Express, etc. Without auto-updates enabled,
>> you need to manually check for updates.
>>
>> If you are using some other mail client, Microsoft will not force a
>> change on you.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mike -http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
>>
>> "joelhe" <joe...@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>
>> news:6a56b485-7074-443e-bb8d-3ff2b38ae295@xxxxxx
>>

>> > I have been searching without success for information on Microsoft's
>> > intentions on deployment of the Windows Live Mail desktop application.
>> > Is this going to be pushed in an update or service pack or left up to
>> > individual users to deploy. I run a learning center for senior adults
>> > and we would have to revise many of our courses if MS pushes
>> > deployment so we want to be prepared.

>>

>> > Anyone know anything?

>>

>> > Thanks - Joel

>