What's going on now?

05-18-2008

People I e-mail all the time are now getting rejected saying that the
message "Failed permanently" Anyone else? They're Hotmail accounts.

05-18-2008

On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:01:55 -0500, ©LarryEº wrote:

	Quote:
	> People I e-mail all the time are now getting rejected saying that the > message "Failed permanently" Anyone else? They're Hotmail accounts.

Could you please be a little more vague? Seriously, are you trying to say
that your correspondents, who have Hotmail accounts, are sending email to
your (presumably) non-Hotmail account, and they are bouncing? Or is it that
you are sending from your Hotmail account to your correspondents, and
getting bounces?

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

05-18-2008

Yes, I could have been more vague but I just didn't want to confuse the heck
out of even more people. LOL

Mail FROM POP3 ISP account to correspondents who have HOTMAIL accounts who I
regularly e-mail and e-mailed yesterday. I know what you are going to say,
it's a Hotmail problem, not a WLMail problem. Sorry to have bothered with
this trivial question here instead of going to the source of the problem.

I'll go kneel in the corner on beans now.
--
©LarryEº

"N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1sk2z4c1yiva6.dlg@xxxxxx

Quote:

> On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:01:55 -0500, ©LarryEº wrote:
>

	Quote:
	>> People I e-mail all the time are now getting rejected saying that the >> message "Failed permanently" Anyone else? They're Hotmail accounts.

>
> Could you please be a little more vague? Seriously, are you trying to say
> that your correspondents, who have Hotmail accounts, are sending email to
> your (presumably) non-Hotmail account, and they are bouncing? Or is it
> that
> you are sending from your Hotmail account to your correspondents, and
> getting bounces?
>
> --
> Norman
> ~Oh Lord, why have you come
> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

05-18-2008

On Sun, 18 May 2008 10:50:25 -0500, ©LarryEº wrote:

	Quote:
	> Yes, I could have been more vague but I just didn't want to confuse the heck > out of even more people. LOL > > Mail FROM POP3 ISP account to correspondents who have HOTMAIL accounts who I > regularly e-mail and e-mailed yesterday. I know what you are going to say, > it's a Hotmail problem, not a WLMail problem. Sorry to have bothered with > this trivial question here instead of going to the source of the problem.

Actually, because you are not a Hotmail customer, they probably won't listen
to you; they never listen to their customers, as it is. OTOH, your POP3
account provider might be able to get somewhere. Or not; depends upon
whether they are a major player (such as AT&T, or Comcast), or a bit
smaller. So you could contact your own provider's postmaster about the
problem. Hotmail has been known to ignore, or brush off smaller mail hosts,
though; so, if your postmaster tells you he doesn't want to Tango, or Rumba
with Hotmail, you will probably have to advise your correspondents to
consider switching to Gmail (and to tell Hotmail why they are doing so, if
they do). Hotmail generates revenue by eyes on the ads; if they start
bleeding customers, their ad space loses value to the marketers.

	Quote:
	> I'll go kneel in the corner on beans now.

Just don't be sacrificing any virgins; they are in short supply these days.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

05-18-2008

Well, I'm with Comcast, so if it does continue, maybe I'll have to contact
them and find out why I'm having the problem.

And no virgins were harmed in the creation of this message.
--
©LarryEº

"N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:utn4fmwkkti5.dlg@xxxxxx

Quote:

> On Sun, 18 May 2008 10:50:25 -0500, ©LarryEº wrote:
>

	Quote:
	>> Yes, I could have been more vague but I just didn't want to confuse the >> heck >> out of even more people. LOL >> >> Mail FROM POP3 ISP account to correspondents who have HOTMAIL accounts >> who I >> regularly e-mail and e-mailed yesterday. I know what you are going to >> say, >> it's a Hotmail problem, not a WLMail problem. Sorry to have bothered >> with >> this trivial question here instead of going to the source of the problem.

>
> Actually, because you are not a Hotmail customer, they probably won't
> listen
> to you; they never listen to their customers, as it is. OTOH, your POP3
> account provider might be able to get somewhere. Or not; depends upon
> whether they are a major player (such as AT&T, or Comcast), or a bit
> smaller. So you could contact your own provider's postmaster about the
> problem. Hotmail has been known to ignore, or brush off smaller mail
> hosts,
> though; so, if your postmaster tells you he doesn't want to Tango, or
> Rumba
> with Hotmail, you will probably have to advise your correspondents to
> consider switching to Gmail (and to tell Hotmail why they are doing so, if
> they do). Hotmail generates revenue by eyes on the ads; if they start
> bleeding customers, their ad space loses value to the marketers.
>

	Quote:
	>> I'll go kneel in the corner on beans now.

>
> Just don't be sacrificing any virgins; they are in short supply these
> days.
>
> --
> Norman
> ~Oh Lord, why have you come
> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

05-18-2008

Hotmail has blacklisted you, or all of "@comcast.net" as a source of spam.
Getting blacklisted is easy. Getting unlisted is the tricky part. This is
a Hotmail problem. They won't pay any attention to you as a Comcast
customer if you complain. Comcast may be able to do something if you call
them. I wouldn't be holding my breath.

Saludos cordiales,

Earle

"©LarryEº" <me@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:8C717123-1A82-487F-960B-193D5961B1A3@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Well, I'm with Comcast, so if it does continue, maybe I'll have to contact
> them and find out why I'm having the problem.
>
> And no virgins were harmed in the creation of this message.
> --
> ©LarryEº
>
> "N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:utn4fmwkkti5.dlg@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 10:50:25 -0500, ©LarryEº wrote:
>>

	Quote:
	>>> Yes, I could have been more vague but I just didn't want to confuse the >>> heck >>> out of even more people. LOL >>> >>> Mail FROM POP3 ISP account to correspondents who have HOTMAIL accounts >>> who I >>> regularly e-mail and e-mailed yesterday. I know what you are going to >>> say, >>> it's a Hotmail problem, not a WLMail problem. Sorry to have bothered >>> with >>> this trivial question here instead of going to the source of the >>> problem.

>>
>> Actually, because you are not a Hotmail customer, they probably won't
>> listen
>> to you; they never listen to their customers, as it is. OTOH, your POP3
>> account provider might be able to get somewhere. Or not; depends upon
>> whether they are a major player (such as AT&T, or Comcast), or a bit
>> smaller. So you could contact your own provider's postmaster about the
>> problem. Hotmail has been known to ignore, or brush off smaller mail
>> hosts,
>> though; so, if your postmaster tells you he doesn't want to Tango, or
>> Rumba
>> with Hotmail, you will probably have to advise your correspondents to
>> consider switching to Gmail (and to tell Hotmail why they are doing so,
>> if
>> they do). Hotmail generates revenue by eyes on the ads; if they start
>> bleeding customers, their ad space loses value to the marketers.
>>

	Quote:
	>>> I'll go kneel in the corner on beans now.

>>
>> Just don't be sacrificing any virgins; they are in short supply these
>> days.
>>
>> --
>> Norman
>> ~Oh Lord, why have you come
>> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

>

05-19-2008

On Sun, 18 May 2008 17:59:56 -0500, ©LarryEº wrote:

	Quote:
	> Well, I'm with Comcast, so if it does continue, maybe I'll have to > contact them and find out why I'm having the problem.

When you do contact Comcast, ask them about this:

http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z189750...0157b1c318624z

That is a SpamCop.net "tracker". The entire message is linked, there. I got
that message to a Hotmail account I have; and I reported it to Hotmail as
spam. If you examine the parse, and the headers, you will see that it was
sent through a Comcast mailhost named,
'QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net' You will also see that a mailhost
named, 'OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast' claims to have
received it from a European dyamic IP host, '234.143.87-79.rev.gaoland.net'.
I'd like to know how a Comcast mailhost was induced to relay for a
'gaoland.net' IP address.

Enough such Hotmail user reports (I clicked on the "Junk" button in Windows
Live Mail) and Hotmail would block the Comcast mailhost called,
'QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net'. This is an issue of Comcast
mailhosts sending spam. Comcast needs to fix it.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

05-19-2008

Larry,
I don't have Comcast, if not already remedied, I've read quite a few messages from folks on Comcast rejecting Hotmail messages.
--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"©LarryEº" <me@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:8C717123-1A82-487F-960B-193D5961B1A3@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Well, I'm with Comcast, so if it does continue, maybe I'll have to contact them and find out why I'm having the problem.
>
> And no virgins were harmed in the creation of this message.
> --
> ©LarryEº
>
> "N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:utn4fmwkkti5.dlg@xxxxxx

Quote:

	Quote:
	>>> Yes, I could have been more vague but I just didn't want to confuse the heck >>> out of even more people. LOL >>> >>> Mail FROM POP3 ISP account to correspondents who have HOTMAIL accounts who I >>> regularly e-mail and e-mailed yesterday. I know what you are going to say, >>> it's a Hotmail problem, not a WLMail problem. Sorry to have bothered with >>> this trivial question here instead of going to the source of the problem.

>>
>> Actually, because you are not a Hotmail customer, they probably won't listen
>> to you; they never listen to their customers, as it is. OTOH, your POP3
>> account provider might be able to get somewhere. Or not; depends upon
>> whether they are a major player (such as AT&T, or Comcast), or a bit
>> smaller. So you could contact your own provider's postmaster about the
>> problem. Hotmail has been known to ignore, or brush off smaller mail hosts,
>> though; so, if your postmaster tells you he doesn't want to Tango, or Rumba
>> with Hotmail, you will probably have to advise your correspondents to
>> consider switching to Gmail (and to tell Hotmail why they are doing so, if
>> they do). Hotmail generates revenue by eyes on the ads; if they start
>> bleeding customers, their ad space loses value to the marketers.
>>

	Quote:
	>>> I'll go kneel in the corner on beans now.

>>
>> Just don't be sacrificing any virgins; they are in short supply these days.
>>
>> --
>> Norman
>> ~Oh Lord, why have you come
>> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

>

05-19-2008

"N. Miller" wrote:

Quote:

	Quote:
	> > Well, I'm with Comcast, so if it does continue, maybe I'll have to > > contact them and find out why I'm having the problem.

>
> When you do contact Comcast, ask them about this:
>
> http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z189750...0157b1c318624z
>
> That is a SpamCop.net "tracker". The entire message is linked, there. I got
> that message to a Hotmail account I have; and I reported it to Hotmail as
> spam. If you examine the parse, and the headers, you will see that it was
> sent through a Comcast mailhost named,
> 'QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net' You will also see that a mailhost
> named, 'OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast' claims to have
> received it from a European dyamic IP host, '234.143.87-79.rev.gaoland.net'.
> I'd like to know how a Comcast mailhost was induced to relay for a
> 'gaoland.net' IP address.
>
> Enough such Hotmail user reports (I clicked on the "Junk" button in Windows
> Live Mail) and Hotmail would block the Comcast mailhost called,
> 'QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net'. This is an issue of Comcast
> mailhosts sending spam. Comcast needs to fix it.
>
> --
> Norman
> ~Oh Lord, why have you come
> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
>

05-19-2008

Reporting-MTA: dns; QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]
Received-From-MTA: dns; OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.12]
Arrival-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 05:43:14 +0000
I am having the same Exact problem. Here is the error code that I am getting?

Final-recipient: rfc822; zarilla00@xxxxxx
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 SC-004 Mail rejected by Windows Live Hotmail for
policy reasons. A block has been placed against your IP address because we
have received complaints concerning mail coming from that IP address. If you
are not an email/network admin please contact your E-mail/Internet Service
Provider for help. Email/network admins, we recommend enrolling in our Junk
E-Mail Reporting Program (JMRP), a free program intended to help senders
remove unwanted recipients from their e-mail list: http://postmaster.live.com
Last-attempt-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 05:43:14 +0000

I have both a Comcast and a Hotmail account. Everything that I send out of
my comcast account to a hotmail account is now being blocked.

Zarilla

"...winston" wrote:

Quote:

> Larry,
> I don't have Comcast, if not already remedied, I've read quite a few messages from folks on Comcast rejecting Hotmail messages.
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
>
> "LarryE" <me@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:8C717123-1A82-487F-960B-193D5961B1A3@xxxxxx

Quote:

> > Well, I'm with Comcast, so if it does continue, maybe I'll have to contact them and find out why I'm having the problem.
> >
> > And no virgins were harmed in the creation of this message.
> > --
> > LarryE
> >
> > "N. Miller" <anonymous@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:utn4fmwkkti5.dlg@xxxxxx

	Quote:
	> >> On Sun, 18 May 2008 10:50:25 -0500, LarryE wrote: > >> > >>> Yes, I could have been more vague but I just didn't want to confuse the heck > >>> out of even more people. LOL > >>> > >>> Mail FROM POP3 ISP account to correspondents who have HOTMAIL accounts who I > >>> regularly e-mail and e-mailed yesterday. I know what you are going to say, > >>> it's a Hotmail problem, not a WLMail problem. Sorry to have bothered with > >>> this trivial question here instead of going to the source of the problem. > >> > >> Actually, because you are not a Hotmail customer, they probably won't listen > >> to you; they never listen to their customers, as it is. OTOH, your POP3 > >> account provider might be able to get somewhere. Or not; depends upon > >> whether they are a major player (such as AT&T, or Comcast), or a bit > >> smaller. So you could contact your own provider's postmaster about the > >> problem. Hotmail has been known to ignore, or brush off smaller mail hosts, > >> though; so, if your postmaster tells you he doesn't want to Tango, or Rumba > >> with Hotmail, you will probably have to advise your correspondents to > >> consider switching to Gmail (and to tell Hotmail why they are doing so, if > >> they do). Hotmail generates revenue by eyes on the ads; if they start > >> bleeding customers, their ad space loses value to the marketers. > >> > >>> I'll go kneel in the corner on beans now. > >> > >> Just don't be sacrificing any virgins; they are in short supply these days. > >> > >> -- > >> Norman > >> ~Oh Lord, why have you come > >> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

> >

>

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