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Old 05-24-2008   #1 (permalink)
John Graser
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Program update?

Anyone have an idea of when we can expect a general program update for WLM?
It seems like it's taking forever for even a bug-fix update.

Old 05-25-2008   #2 (permalink)
Peter.R
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Re: Program update?

We have been told by Microsoft (news:7399B681-1040-4EA1-B484-71CDEF863477@xxxxxx) that they are working toward a new version of Windows Live Mail with calendar functionality for release in late summer/early fall of USA.

--
Cheers,
Peter.R
(Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 with Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606)
"There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
---------------

"John Graser" <johngraser@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:CC6C8D03-31B9-4282-B0D9-D29FC0CA85A5@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Anyone have an idea of when we can expect a general program update for WLM?
> It seems like it's taking forever for even a bug-fix update.
Old 05-25-2008   #3 (permalink)
Jack Gostl
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Re: Program update?

I do hope there is a fix coming sooner. Some of these bugs, particularly the
peformance issues, are driving me crazy.


"Peter.R" <Peter.R@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:379775C9-A282-4545-B232-71BEBD5D8C76@xxxxxx
Quote:

> We have been told by Microsoft
> (news:7399B681-1040-4EA1-B484-71CDEF863477@xxxxxx) that they are
> working toward a new version of Windows Live Mail with calendar
> functionality for release in late summer/early fall of USA.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Peter.R
> (Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 with Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606)
> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in
> your philosophy." - Shakespeare
> ---------------
>
> "John Graser" <johngraser@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:CC6C8D03-31B9-4282-B0D9-D29FC0CA85A5@xxxxxx
>
Quote:

>> Anyone have an idea of when we can expect a general program update for
>> WLM?
>> It seems like it's taking forever for even a bug-fix update.
Old 05-25-2008   #4 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen
Guest


 

Re: Program update?

Based on reading everything posted here in the past 15 months,
I'd say your sluggishness issue is peculiar to your setup, since
very few others have reported that symptom. So, it's not likely
to be a bug. Or even if it is, it may be so rare that the developers
probably can't duplicate it.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP


"Jack Gostl" <nomail@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OYODmalvIHA.5096@xxxxxx
Quote:

>I do hope there is a fix coming sooner. Some of these bugs, particularly the
> peformance issues, are driving me crazy.
>
>
> "Peter.R" <Peter.R@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:379775C9-A282-4545-B232-71BEBD5D8C76@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> We have been told by Microsoft
>> (news:7399B681-1040-4EA1-B484-71CDEF863477@xxxxxx) that they are
>> working toward a new version of Windows Live Mail with calendar
>> functionality for release in late summer/early fall of USA.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Peter.R
>> (Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 with Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606)
>> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in
>> your philosophy." - Shakespeare
>> ---------------
>>
>> "John Graser" <johngraser@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:CC6C8D03-31B9-4282-B0D9-D29FC0CA85A5@xxxxxx
>>
Quote:

>>> Anyone have an idea of when we can expect a general program update for
>>> WLM?
>>> It seems like it's taking forever for even a bug-fix update.
>
Old 05-25-2008   #5 (permalink)
Jack Gostl
Guest


 

Re: Program update?

Its certainly possible, but the question is what isi it? I'm trying to think
of what it is that I'm doing that might be unique.

I have 15 accounts, of which three are imap and 5 are hotmail.

I've used hotmail for my main account for three years, with alog of traffic,
so my sent mail folder on hotmail is huge. Over 30,000 messages.

I have 200+ folders in one of the hotmail accounts and one of the imap
accounts. Another imap accounts has about 80 folders.

I'm particularly suspicous of the sent mail folde with 30K+ messages in it,
and I'm tempted to move it somewhere else, but the whole point of using
hotmail (or imap) was to have those messages available any time I logged in.
Some very big messages (entire documents).

So I'm open to suggestion because this is driving me crazy. Long slow
startup times. The program regularly slipping into a black hole for minutes
at a time. I can't try things TOO arbitrarily, my business lives and dies on
my email.

Quote:

> Based on reading everything posted here in the past 15 months,
> I'd say your sluggishness issue is peculiar to your setup, since
> very few others have reported that symptom. So, it's not likely
> to be a bug. Or even if it is, it may be so rare that the developers
> probably can't duplicate it.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP
>
>
> "Jack Gostl" <nomail@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:OYODmalvIHA.5096@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>I do hope there is a fix coming sooner. Some of these bugs, particularly
>>the
>> peformance issues, are driving me crazy.
>>
>>
>> "Peter.R" <Peter.R@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:379775C9-A282-4545-B232-71BEBD5D8C76@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>> We have been told by Microsoft
>>> (news:7399B681-1040-4EA1-B484-71CDEF863477@xxxxxx) that they are
>>> working toward a new version of Windows Live Mail with calendar
>>> functionality for release in late summer/early fall of USA.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Peter.R
>>> (Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 with Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606)
>>> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of
>>> in
>>> your philosophy." - Shakespeare
>>> ---------------
>>>
>>> "John Graser" <johngraser@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:CC6C8D03-31B9-4282-B0D9-D29FC0CA85A5@xxxxxx
>>>
>>>> Anyone have an idea of when we can expect a general program update for
>>>> WLM?
>>>> It seems like it's taking forever for even a bug-fix update.
>>
Old 05-26-2008   #6 (permalink)
...winston
Guest


 

Re: Program update?

Jack,
I don't have a solution for your slowness though 30K messages and 200+ sync folders might be factor, but, I am curious why a
business would retain dependency on Hotmail (right to be modified or changed at anytime) even with the ability of anytime access
rather than use of OL with the Outlook Connector(archiving the seldom used content).
--
...winston
ms-mvp mail


"Jack Gostl" <nomail@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eZD97SqvIHA.548@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Its certainly possible, but the question is what isi it? I'm trying to think of what it is that I'm doing that might be unique.
>
> I have 15 accounts, of which three are imap and 5 are hotmail.
>
> I've used hotmail for my main account for three years, with alog of traffic, so my sent mail folder on hotmail is huge. Over
> 30,000 messages.
>
> I have 200+ folders in one of the hotmail accounts and one of the imap accounts. Another imap accounts has about 80 folders.
>
> I'm particularly suspicous of the sent mail folde with 30K+ messages in it, and I'm tempted to move it somewhere else, but the
> whole point of using hotmail (or imap) was to have those messages available any time I logged in. Some very big messages (entire
> documents).
>
> So I'm open to suggestion because this is driving me crazy. Long slow startup times. The program regularly slipping into a black
> hole for minutes at a time. I can't try things TOO arbitrarily, my business lives and dies on my email.
>
>
Quote:

>> Based on reading everything posted here in the past 15 months,
>> I'd say your sluggishness issue is peculiar to your setup, since
>> very few others have reported that symptom. So, it's not likely
>> to be a bug. Or even if it is, it may be so rare that the developers
>> probably can't duplicate it.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP
>>
>>
>> "Jack Gostl" <nomail@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OYODmalvIHA.5096@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>>I do hope there is a fix coming sooner. Some of these bugs, particularly the
>>> peformance issues, are driving me crazy.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Peter.R" <Peter.R@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:379775C9-A282-4545-B232-71BEBD5D8C76@xxxxxx
>>>> We have been told by Microsoft
>>>> (news:7399B681-1040-4EA1-B484-71CDEF863477@xxxxxx) that they are
>>>> working toward a new version of Windows Live Mail with calendar
>>>> functionality for release in late summer/early fall of USA.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Peter.R
>>>> (Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 with Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606)
>>>> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in
>>>> your philosophy." - Shakespeare
>>>> ---------------
>>>>
>>>> "John Graser" <johngraser@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:CC6C8D03-31B9-4282-B0D9-D29FC0CA85A5@xxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone have an idea of when we can expect a general program update for
>>>>> WLM?
>>>>> It seems like it's taking forever for even a bug-fix update.
>>>
Old 05-26-2008   #7 (permalink)
Jack Gostl
Guest


 

Re: Program update?

This is (was) a startup. Three years ago we needed to minimize expenses, and
hotmail
was a good choice. I worked out of two or three locaitons, and with hotmail,
I was able to get to my folders from any location. Today we have our own
mail server, so the groundrules are different.

As for Outlloik, I don't much care for it. Too many features that we don't
need.

But again, I remind you that Outlook Express doesn't have this sluggishness
problem. There must be something that WLM does that OE doesn't. If I could
understand what that is, I could possibly deal with it.


"...winston" <winstonmvp@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:#lraWfvvIHA.3680@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Jack,
> I don't have a solution for your slowness though 30K messages and 200+
> sync folders might be factor, but, I am curious why a business would
> retain dependency on Hotmail (right to be modified or changed at anytime)
> even with the ability of anytime access rather than use of OL with the
> Outlook Connector(archiving the seldom used content).
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
>
> "Jack Gostl" <nomail@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:eZD97SqvIHA.548@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> Its certainly possible, but the question is what isi it? I'm trying to
>> think of what it is that I'm doing that might be unique.
>>
>> I have 15 accounts, of which three are imap and 5 are hotmail.
>>
>> I've used hotmail for my main account for three years, with alog of
>> traffic, so my sent mail folder on hotmail is huge. Over 30,000 messages.
>>
>> I have 200+ folders in one of the hotmail accounts and one of the imap
>> accounts. Another imap accounts has about 80 folders.
>>
>> I'm particularly suspicous of the sent mail folde with 30K+ messages in
>> it, and I'm tempted to move it somewhere else, but the whole point of
>> using hotmail (or imap) was to have those messages available any time I
>> logged in. Some very big messages (entire documents).
>>
>> So I'm open to suggestion because this is driving me crazy. Long slow
>> startup times. The program regularly slipping into a black hole for
>> minutes at a time. I can't try things TOO arbitrarily, my business lives
>> and dies on my email.
>>
>>
Quote:

>>> Based on reading everything posted here in the past 15 months,
>>> I'd say your sluggishness issue is peculiar to your setup, since
>>> very few others have reported that symptom. So, it's not likely
>>> to be a bug. Or even if it is, it may be so rare that the developers
>>> probably can't duplicate it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jack Gostl" <nomail@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:OYODmalvIHA.5096@xxxxxx
>>>>I do hope there is a fix coming sooner. Some of these bugs, particularly
>>>>the
>>>> peformance issues, are driving me crazy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Peter.R" <Peter.R@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>> news:379775C9-A282-4545-B232-71BEBD5D8C76@xxxxxx
>>>>> We have been told by Microsoft
>>>>> (news:7399B681-1040-4EA1-B484-71CDEF863477@xxxxxx) that they
>>>>> are
>>>>> working toward a new version of Windows Live Mail with calendar
>>>>> functionality for release in late summer/early fall of USA.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Peter.R
>>>>> (Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 with Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606)
>>>>> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt
>>>>> of in
>>>>> your philosophy." - Shakespeare
>>>>> ---------------
>>>>>
>>>>> "John Graser" <johngraser@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>> news:CC6C8D03-31B9-4282-B0D9-D29FC0CA85A5@xxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone have an idea of when we can expect a general program update
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> WLM?
>>>>>> It seems like it's taking forever for even a bug-fix update.
>>>>
>
Old 05-26-2008   #8 (permalink)
...winston
Guest


 

Re: Program update?

Jack,
Thanks for the information.
Iirc, WLM syncs a Hotmail account much differently than OE.

OL does have quite a few features that many never user or even aware of.

If I may ask, a few ?'s
- does this occur if you disable signing in for WLM ?
- are there a large quantity of messages in the storage folders ?


--
...winston
ms-mvp mail


"Jack Gostl" <nomail@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#sVxy0vvIHA.3484@xxxxxx
Quote:

> This is (was) a startup. Three years ago we needed to minimize expenses, and hotmail
> was a good choice. I worked out of two or three locaitons, and with hotmail,
> I was able to get to my folders from any location. Today we have our own
> mail server, so the groundrules are different.
>
> As for Outlloik, I don't much care for it. Too many features that we don't need.
>
> But again, I remind you that Outlook Express doesn't have this sluggishness
> problem. There must be something that WLM does that OE doesn't. If I could
> understand what that is, I could possibly deal with it.
>
>
> "...winston" <winstonmvp@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:#lraWfvvIHA.3680@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> Jack,
>> I don't have a solution for your slowness though 30K messages and 200+ sync folders might be factor, but, I am curious why a
>> business would retain dependency on Hotmail (right to be modified or changed at anytime) even with the ability of anytime access
>> rather than use of OL with the Outlook Connector(archiving the seldom used content).
>> --
>> ...winston
>> ms-mvp mail
>>
>>
>> "Jack Gostl" <nomail@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eZD97SqvIHA.548@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>> Its certainly possible, but the question is what isi it? I'm trying to think of what it is that I'm doing that might be unique.
>>>
>>> I have 15 accounts, of which three are imap and 5 are hotmail.
>>>
>>> I've used hotmail for my main account for three years, with alog of traffic, so my sent mail folder on hotmail is huge. Over
>>> 30,000 messages.
>>>
>>> I have 200+ folders in one of the hotmail accounts and one of the imap accounts. Another imap accounts has about 80 folders.
>>>
>>> I'm particularly suspicous of the sent mail folde with 30K+ messages in it, and I'm tempted to move it somewhere else, but the
>>> whole point of using hotmail (or imap) was to have those messages available any time I logged in. Some very big messages
>>> (entire documents).
>>>
>>> So I'm open to suggestion because this is driving me crazy. Long slow startup times. The program regularly slipping into a
>>> black hole for minutes at a time. I can't try things TOO arbitrarily, my business lives and dies on my email.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Based on reading everything posted here in the past 15 months,
>>>> I'd say your sluggishness issue is peculiar to your setup, since
>>>> very few others have reported that symptom. So, it's not likely
>>>> to be a bug. Or even if it is, it may be so rare that the developers
>>>> probably can't duplicate it.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jack Gostl" <nomail@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OYODmalvIHA.5096@xxxxxx
>>>>>I do hope there is a fix coming sooner. Some of these bugs, particularly the
>>>>> peformance issues, are driving me crazy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Peter.R" <Peter.R@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>> news:379775C9-A282-4545-B232-71BEBD5D8C76@xxxxxx
>>>>>> We have been told by Microsoft
>>>>>> (news:7399B681-1040-4EA1-B484-71CDEF863477@xxxxxx) that they are
>>>>>> working toward a new version of Windows Live Mail with calendar
>>>>>> functionality for release in late summer/early fall of USA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Peter.R
>>>>>> (Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 with Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606)
>>>>>> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in
>>>>>> your philosophy." - Shakespeare
>>>>>> ---------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "John Graser" <johngraser@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:CC6C8D03-31B9-4282-B0D9-D29FC0CA85A5@xxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone have an idea of when we can expect a general program update for
>>>>>>> WLM?
>>>>>>> It seems like it's taking forever for even a bug-fix update.
>>>>>
>>
Old 05-26-2008   #9 (permalink)
Jack Gostl
Guest


 

Re: Program update?

> Thanks for the information.
Quote:

> Iirc, WLM syncs a Hotmail account much differently than OE.
>
> OL does have quite a few features that many never user or even aware of.
>
> If I may ask, a few ?'s
> - does this occur if you disable signing in for WLM ?
I believe it is disabled. I've been down this road before. If you refresh my
memory as to where this is set I'll go check.
Quote:

> - are there a large quantity of messages in the storage folders ?
Oh yes. Think of it this way, if I have 30,000+ in my sendmail folder, it is
quite likely that more than half were responses. I've moved quite a few
folders from the hotmail accounts to my corporate imap account, so the
number still in hotmail accounts is probably way down, but 5,000+ in hotmail
alone wouldn't surprise me, and at LEAST twice that in non-hotmail folders.

I'd bet that these numbers are conservative.
Quote:

>
> "Jack Gostl" <nomail@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:#sVxy0vvIHA.3484@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> This is (was) a startup. Three years ago we needed to minimize expenses,
>> and hotmail
>> was a good choice. I worked out of two or three locaitons, and with
>> hotmail,
>> I was able to get to my folders from any location. Today we have our own
>> mail server, so the groundrules are different.
>>
>> As for Outlloik, I don't much care for it. Too many features that we
>> don't need.
>>
>> But again, I remind you that Outlook Express doesn't have this
>> sluggishness
>> problem. There must be something that WLM does that OE doesn't. If I
>> could
>> understand what that is, I could possibly deal with it.
>>
>>
>> "...winston" <winstonmvp@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:#lraWfvvIHA.3680@xxxxxx
Quote:

>>> Jack,
>>> I don't have a solution for your slowness though 30K messages and 200+
>>> sync folders might be factor, but, I am curious why a business would
>>> retain dependency on Hotmail (right to be modified or changed at
>>> anytime) even with the ability of anytime access rather than use of OL
>>> with the Outlook Connector(archiving the seldom used content).
>>> --
>>> ...winston
>>> ms-mvp mail
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jack Gostl" <nomail@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:eZD97SqvIHA.548@xxxxxx
>>>> Its certainly possible, but the question is what isi it? I'm trying to
>>>> think of what it is that I'm doing that might be unique.
>>>>
>>>> I have 15 accounts, of which three are imap and 5 are hotmail.
>>>>
>>>> I've used hotmail for my main account for three years, with alog of
>>>> traffic, so my sent mail folder on hotmail is huge. Over 30,000
>>>> messages.
>>>>
>>>> I have 200+ folders in one of the hotmail accounts and one of the imap
>>>> accounts. Another imap accounts has about 80 folders.
>>>>
>>>> I'm particularly suspicous of the sent mail folde with 30K+ messages in
>>>> it, and I'm tempted to move it somewhere else, but the whole point of
>>>> using hotmail (or imap) was to have those messages available any time I
>>>> logged in. Some very big messages (entire documents).
>>>>
>>>> So I'm open to suggestion because this is driving me crazy. Long slow
>>>> startup times. The program regularly slipping into a black hole for
>>>> minutes at a time. I can't try things TOO arbitrarily, my business
>>>> lives and dies on my email.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Based on reading everything posted here in the past 15 months,
>>>>> I'd say your sluggishness issue is peculiar to your setup, since
>>>>> very few others have reported that symptom. So, it's not likely
>>>>> to be a bug. Or even if it is, it may be so rare that the developers
>>>>> probably can't duplicate it.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jack Gostl" <nomail@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OYODmalvIHA.5096@xxxxxx
>>>>>>I do hope there is a fix coming sooner. Some of these bugs,
>>>>>>particularly the
>>>>>> peformance issues, are driving me crazy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Peter.R" <Peter.R@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:379775C9-A282-4545-B232-71BEBD5D8C76@xxxxxx
>>>>>>> We have been told by Microsoft
>>>>>>> (news:7399B681-1040-4EA1-B484-71CDEF863477@xxxxxx) that they
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> working toward a new version of Windows Live Mail with calendar
>>>>>>> functionality for release in late summer/early fall of USA.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Peter.R
>>>>>>> (Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 with Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606)
>>>>>>> "There are more things in Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt
>>>>>>> of in
>>>>>>> your philosophy." - Shakespeare
>>>>>>> ---------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "John Graser" <johngraser@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:CC6C8D03-31B9-4282-B0D9-D29FC0CA85A5@xxxxxx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone have an idea of when we can expect a general program update
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> WLM?
>>>>>>>> It seems like it's taking forever for even a bug-fix update.
>>>>>>
>>>
>
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