WDS 4 not indexing WLM

OK, I've looked at the various discussions of this and I still can't get it to work. In particular I've checked the store folder, checked eml and nws and verified the indexing service is running. I've rebuilt the WDS index and still no joy.

A while back I tried WDS 3 and had no joy either. To be honest, even if I get it working by further fiddling around the experience shouldn't be like this. It should "just work." To be fair, it does in fact do this for Outlook, as I've tried it at work. WLM has been out quite a while now so I would expect a new version of WDS to work out of the box with it.

I do have Copernic Desktop Search on the system which I think is still the best of the desktop search products. Unfortunately, it does not support WLM, hence why I'm trying WDS. However, it won't be on my PC for much longer at this rate.

I'm normally a huge fan of Microsoft's but they do seem to be losing their touch recently.

My PC is Win XP SP2.

Kevin

"NewWorldMan" <kevin@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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On this one I agree. Far too much the look of WIP...

BTW even though Desktop is part of this newsgroup's name
and even though WLMail is the only app in XP that uses WDS
this newsgroup may not be the best forum for discussing this.

E.g. try the MSDN Windows Desktop Search Help forum
but first make sure that the WS 4.0 Taskbar Search at least
can find things in the WLMail Message Store. Then notice
that the WLMail "word wheel" (aka Ctrl-e Search bar) at least
allows you to find things using multiple strings (with implied
Boolean AND operators) but that can only produce hits from
the bodies of messages when the wsearch service is actually
running and has indexed those messages.

FWIW I think that this poster has (except for an obvious typo [1])
accurately but not objectively characterized exactly what WLMail
does with WS 4.0 but YMMV:

http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/Sho...08127&SiteID=1

(MSDN Search Community Forums for
"live mail"
)


<quote>
all but the most basic of search functionality is supported
in the Live Mail interface, and the pertinent fields, such as sender
and date do not display in the WDS interface for WLMail.
</quote>


[1] FWIW I read that as "NONE but the most basic..." <eg>


Me too! ; )


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
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"NewWorldMan" <kevin@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:6F9F846E-E502-4BA8-8C7B-13F9372B53A5@xxxxxx You don't seem to have had any response to this, so here goes.
Something seems, for some users, to prevent WDS and WS4 (to give it
its official abbreviation) from indexing the Store folder in its
default location. The Local settings folder is hidden by default,
but unhiding it (Properties > General tab) does not seem to help.
There are two ways round this:
(a) Move the Store folder to somewhere you know is indexable, like
Documents\My Mail, using the Change function at [Tools >] Options >
Advanced > Maintenance > Store folder.
(b) The other one is a bit wackier, but it works for me: share the
Store folder, (right-click on the folder in Explorer and select
Sharing and security; give the share a name like Mail and adjust the
permissions as appropriate) and then add it to the WDS/WS index by
UNC (right-click on the tray icon, select Windows [Desktop] Search
options > Advanced > Add UNC location. You should enter
\\<computername>\mail in the box and click Add.)

If you want to be able to search more of the shadier bits of
Application Data (log files, for example), you could share folders
higher up the tree - I've shared my whole Documents and Settings
folder for just this reason, but I'm the only user with permission
to use the share.
--
Noel

Then you may have seen my posts on this much vexed issue. I can now report that I have got it going reasonably OK. I am using WDS4 Release (I can't find an about box for it) and WLMail 12.0.1606. I have about 300,00 documents indexed, of which about 40,000 are eml's or 'nws's (most would be nws headers). I have done nothing tricky to get it going, but nor am I saying saying it worked out of the box, here is a synopsis.

My Mail Store is located in a non standard location - D:\Application Data\Mail
My WDS Database (Indexes) is located in a non standard location - D:\Application Data\Document Search

I installed WDS4 Release over WDS4 Beta about 2 weeks ago. The install corrupted the existing database and a lost the Included Locations & File Type Filter Settings. I had to go into Safe Mode to delete the corrupted database, the corruption took the form of removing most, but not all of the files. I reset the Included Locations & File Type Settings back to the way I wanted them, basically I index everything (locations that have temporary data or backups are excluded) in every which way possible.

It took about 2 hours to rebuild the indices (both drives are mirrored and striped) before it reached about 260,000 files and went idle. At that time it would only find file name matches not file content matches. It now it finds both file name and content matches, the file count is over 290,000, I have not added 30,000 files in the intervening period - I'm sure it missed some on that first pass. I am equally certain that the indexing is performed in multiple passes over time.

The search treacle box in WLMail functionally works in that it finds the mails I would expect to find with a given search term. But I detest the search as you type feature, it feels as though I'm typing into molasses or silicon sealant - I'm told its a word wheel. IMO the wheel's gone in a rut and the whips come off the handle.

I have yet to install my filters for indexing the contents of ADS's - I don't want to break it. yet.

Re alternatives, if you want integration into MS mail products there aren't any as far as I know. My experience is that the alternatives are just as problematic as WDS. Google chews up resources if you create a a lot of files quickly (eg unpack an iso), Copernic takes too long to detect presence of new files (sometimes days), I have not tried Yahoo. IMO the stand out product is AimAtFile, it uses the XP indexing service which I seems to detect file changes faster than any of the others. AimAtFile lacks the convenience of the others (or at least it did last time I looked), and its payware, not much about $30. I've thought of running WDS just for WLMail Searches and AimAtFile for the heavy duty searches, but I'd want it to do compressed and alternate streams if I have to pay.

Hardware - Gigabyte 965P-S2 rev 3.3 with E6600, 4GRAM, 2 * 250G RAID 0 + RAID 1
Software - XP/Home SP3
--
TUT

WLMail (was WLM Deskop),
Windows Live Hotmail (WLH) (was Windows Live Mail)
Windows Live Messenger (WLM) (not to be confused with Windows Messenger (vanilla))
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"NewWorldMan" <kevin@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:6F9F846E-E502-4BA8-8C7B-13F9372B53A5@xxxxxx
OK, I've looked at the various discussions of this and I still can't get it to work. In particular I've checked the store folder, checked eml and nws and verified the indexing service is running. I've rebuilt the WDS index and still no joy.

A while back I tried WDS 3 and had no joy either. To be honest, even if I get it working by further fiddling around the experience shouldn't be like this. It should "just work." To be fair, it does in fact do this for Outlook, as I've tried it at work. WLM has been out quite a while now so I would expect a new version of WDS to work out of the box with it.

I do have Copernic Desktop Search on the system which I think is still the best of the desktop search products. Unfortunately, it does not support WLM, hence why I'm trying WDS. However, it won't be on my PC for much longer at this rate.

I'm normally a huge fan of Microsoft's but they do seem to be losing their touch recently.

My PC is Win XP SP2.

Kevin

kevin

could you avoid posting in HTML, it may be OK in WLMail but 95% of Usenet
are in the OldWorld and don't use HTML capable news readers

Also when I reply I have to first realise that your post is in HTML and then
remember to change the format of my reply to Text

And if I type D:\ a bloody smiley sticks its oar in.
--
TUT

WLMail (was WLM Deskop),
Windows Live Hotmail (WLH) (was Windows Live Mail)
Windows Live Messenger (WLM) (not to be confused with Windows Messenger
(vanilla)
__________________________________________



"NewWorldMan" <kevin@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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OK, I've looked at the various discussions of this and I still can't get it
to work. In particular I've checked the store folder, checked eml and nws
and verified the indexing service is running. I've rebuilt the WDS index and
still no joy.

A while back I tried WDS 3 and had no joy either. To be honest, even if I
get it working by further fiddling around the experience shouldn't be like
this. It should "just work." To be fair, it does in fact do this for
Outlook, as I've tried it at work. WLM has been out quite a while now so I
would expect a new version of WDS to work out of the box with it.

I do have Copernic Desktop Search on the system which I think is still the
best of the desktop search products. Unfortunately, it does not support WLM,
hence why I'm trying WDS. However, it won't be on my PC for much longer at
this rate.

I'm normally a huge fan of Microsoft's but they do seem to be losing their
touch recently.

My PC is Win XP SP2.

Kevin

I've found Copernic to be good enough. Not noticed the days to detect new files. Just a pity that it doesn't support WLM.

I tried Google and as well as taking ages, e.g., over a day to index it grinds my PC to halt. Actually I tried it on two machines a few months ago. At work it was OK (apart from the slow index). At home it was unusable.

I did have the same problem with Copernic at version 1.5. But from 1.7 onwards it's been fine.

Anyway, re: WDS 4 I had in the meantime given up and uninstalled it. As it happens I have most of my mail synched with GMail. So I can just search that if I'm desperate to find mail content.

Kevin
"Urbane.Tiger" <viking.warrior@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:38CdnTDpvJIbc83VnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@xxxxxx
Re alternatives, if you want integration into MS mail products there aren't any as far as I know. My experience is that the alternatives are just as problematic as WDS.

Google chews up resources if you create a a lot of files quickly (eg unpack an iso), Copernic takes too long to detect presence of new files (sometimes days), I have not tried Yahoo. WLMail (was WLM Deskop),
Windows Live Hotmail (WLH) (was Windows Live Mail)
Windows Live Messenger (WLM) (not to be confused with Windows Messenger (vanilla))
__________________________________________


"NewWorldMan" <kevin@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:6F9F846E-E502-4BA8-8C7B-13F9372B53A5@xxxxxx
OK, I've looked at the various discussions of this and I still can't get it to work. In particular I've checked the store folder, checked eml and nws and verified the indexing service is running. I've rebuilt the WDS index and still no joy.

A while back I tried WDS 3 and had no joy either. To be honest, even if I get it working by further fiddling around the experience shouldn't be like this. It should "just work." To be fair, it does in fact do this for Outlook, as I've tried it at work. WLM has been out quite a while now so I would expect a new version of WDS to work out of the box with it.

I do have Copernic Desktop Search on the system which I think is still the best of the desktop search products. Unfortunately, it does not support WLM, hence why I'm trying WDS. However, it won't be on my PC for much longer at this rate.

I'm normally a huge fan of Microsoft's but they do seem to be losing their touch recently.

My PC is Win XP SP2.

Kevin

I've given up on WDS now. Maybe I'll try it again in a few months. As most
of my mail is synched with GMail I'll just rely on searching that for the
time being.

"Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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