unread attended attributes are generated not always automatically

Hello!

Even if I begin a new thread,
often the answers are not listed in the 'unread attended list'.

Erhard

"Erhard Glueck" <erhard _ glueck _ austria@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:CBA88AAB-B939-499C-B284-B68DD3831C5A@xxxxxx
Is that a View? Did you create it?
Otherwise we may have a translation difficulty
in understanding which standard view you are referring to.
Hide Read Messages perhaps? (Second one, just under
Show All Messages.)


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
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Hello Robert,
in the thread, I listed below, the following postings have no
attention-attributes.
synchronization for this group is 'headers only'

In this thread we are just discussing,
in your answering post the attention attribute was set as expected.

Because on my PC is installed a German version of WLM,
the translations of terms from me, perhaps are not always correct.

Have a good day Robert and greetings from Austria, Europe
Erhard

PS. belonging the 'no attention' attributes:
From: "Erhard Glueck" <erhard _ glueck _ austria@xxxxxx>
Subject: driver id details - where to read about?
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:15:27 +0200
Message-ID: <2DDAB183-9585-4DCB-A122-341120594A0B@xxxxxx>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.performance_maintenance
NNTP-Posting-Host: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl 127.0.0.1
Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
microsoft.public.windows.vista.performance_maintenance:71162



"Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:9CD2A3D7-F7B8-4331-85B0-69905E57B399@xxxxxx

Hello Robert,
here a further report belonging such events.

I posted:
‘microsoft.public.de.windows.vista.sonstiges:29424'
at '10 Jul 2008 12:20:11 +0200’
This entry had the Watched Conversation attribute set automatically.

But the answering post
‘microsoft.public.de.windows.vista.sonstiges:29425'
at '10 Jul 2008 13:01:02 +0200’
did not inherit this attribute.

So, only if I would look to the folder 'unread watched News', I never will
notify the answer.

Don't be worry about me, but I would like to have news reader software,
which point me to the answers of my posts reliably.

Erhard


"Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:9CD2A3D7-F7B8-4331-85B0-69905E57B399@xxxxxx

"Erhard Glueck" <erhard _ glueck _ austria@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:B11A9C52-F755-4FC4-B697-8CA8ED8BF55B@xxxxxx
Without any headers or timings it is easy to postulate an explanation
for that symptom. All that would be required is that the "reply"
not contain a References: header. Further, if it has a References
header it doesn't contain the Message-ID of the post which is marked
Watched. Etc.


I saw people making this complaint during the beta,
and especially during the Vista beta for WM
but never saw adequate diagnostics which required
a really specific explanation or more significantly
which would help construct a repro scenario.

However, additional speculations would need to consider
whether the headers for both the reply and the opening post
were being received by the same XOVER command.
And how the headers were being downloaded when
the problem symptom occurs. Etc.


FWIW I don't rely on that feature. However, every time
I have tested it, it worked properly for me.

Figure out a way to reproduce your problem symptom
reliably or at least with high probability and you will have
an incident worth reporting as a "bug"; otherwise it will just
be dismissed as anecdotal evidence and closed: "no repro".


Robert
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"Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:9327F459-4AE8-4DBF-8C6B-1151935F3796@xxxxxx Thank you Robert for so many lines!

The last issue belonging reproducibility is not on me,
because I have not a news server software etc.

I looked again to the attributes of the noted postings
and it catched my eyes, that the
'Subject' line is splitted in an other part of text.

You can find the full detail of attributes of the noted postings
at the web home of a friend of mine:
http://www.bergbaumuseum-gruenbach.a..._inherited.txt

Robert, be so nice and tell me which tool is for you,
to be able to detect late postings belonging "Watched Conversations".

Greetings after a nice weekend in Austria
Erhard

"Erhard Glueck" <erhard _ glueck _ austria@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:4E97B068-37B0-4770-A809-63C9DACA15C6@xxxxxx ....
Unfortunately it is, although you have no control over it
for your tests. So, to check for the cases I mentioned
you have to do things such as make sure that the OP
and its response are both ready to be sent in a response
to the same request. E.g. to do that you could have a
second news account which confirmed that the headers
for both posts would be downloaded in response to an
XOVER.


Must be some quirk of some formatter somewhere.
For example, the Communities site shows that it
can be displayed in one line

http://www.microsoft.com/communities...8-c0a89d2278fd

(Use Fullscreen mode e.g. press F11 and sufficient display
resolution to put the subject all in one line.)

Google Groups is showing it combined too

http://groups.google.com/group/micro...b?dmode=source

It's possible I suppose that the trailing = on the first line
of the Subject means it is an escaped space and that wraps
the text to the next line but I have no idea how that would
account for the leading space(s?) on the next line.

FWIW I think that is an interesting quirk but probably has
nothing to do with your problem symptom. ; )


Have you tried creating a duplicate of that account,
resubscribing to that newsgroup and then downloading
enough headers to make sure that thread is contained
in them? Then if your symptom occurred with it on that
account you would know that in fact, it might have something
to do with that thread's content. Etc.

Use the WLMail troubleshooting log to see whether
an XOVER would download the headers you are interested in.
Unfortunately, it won't show you the actual headers.
You just have to assume that the reason you got them
was in response to the request. Otherwise you would have
to resort to a full NNTP packet trace, such as provided by
netcap or Ethereal (or its successor, WireShark.)

In fact, if you are already running with the troubleshooting
log for News active, you might be able to go back in the
current log and see what the timing was for the arrival
of those two headers you are interested in. E.g. if your
OP clearly arrived before the header for the reply, that
would be one case--your post's header could be marked
Watched and then the reply's header received to inherit
that attribute but if they both arrived at the same time
that could be another less well-defined case: both posts
arrive in a response to the same request and hence both
have to be marked Watched at the same time. Reloading
the thread, whether in a second account or by resetting
the newsgroup would simulate that second case.


HTH

Robert
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"Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@xxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:59A2CC82-A93A-42E8-A9D2-139951CAA425@xxxxxx Robert,

now I can tell you that I was able to reproduce the symptom.

I used the group microsoft.public.test and posted as before.

Answering from an other account, also with the same text as Peter Schultz
I received the message but not with the 'Watched Conversation' attribute
set.

Before I switched the Log on, so somebody can study it in:
http://www.bergbaumuseum-gruenbach.a...2008_07_15.doc

Have a good day
Erhard