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Old 06-09-2008   #1 (permalink)
tester
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Potentially Dangerous Search Pointer Bug

I have discovered a potentially dangerous bug which occurs when using the
search function.

As you know, when you key in a search term, WLMail begins searching
immediately and I have found displays the first message matching the search
almost instantaneously, but if it finds several, the search changes the
pointer from the initially found message to another, potentially incorrect
message.

In my case, I had two groups who were engaged in dialog on a topic which
shared the subject.

The message that initially displayed was to the message I wanted to forward,
so I clicked Forward and began selecting my group, and typing my message.

Unfortunatley, the pointer had moved to the other message, and the message I
forwarded contained information that caused me irreparable harm.

This is a serious bug and illustrates to me that this is not a commericially
acceptable product.

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Old 06-09-2008   #2 (permalink)
Ildhund
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Re: Potentially Dangerous Search Pointer Bug

The search function (I presume you're referring to the 'Find a
message' wordwheel) will find - eventually - all messages containing
the string you have keyed in. It has no way of knowing which is the
'correct' one in your opinion. Which of the messages it finds has
focus depends on so many variables that I haven't been able to pin
it down. But I don't think I would ever assume that the system had
found and marked precisely the message I was thinking of. How do you
imagine that the program should work out which message - of the many
containing your search string - it was that you wanted to forward?

I don't think you can blame the program because you failed to read
what you were about to send before you sent it.
--
Noel

"tester" <tester@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:2FF88546-1172-40CB-B34B-59B616394367@xxxxxx
Quote:

> I have discovered a potentially dangerous bug which occurs when
> using the
> search function.
>
> As you know, when you key in a search term, WLMail begins
> searching
> immediately and I have found displays the first message matching
> the search
> almost instantaneously, but if it finds several, the search
> changes the
> pointer from the initially found message to another, potentially
> incorrect
> message.
>
> In my case, I had two groups who were engaged in dialog on a topic
> which
> shared the subject.
>
> The message that initially displayed was to the message I wanted
> to forward,
> so I clicked Forward and began selecting my group, and typing my
> message.
>
> Unfortunatley, the pointer had moved to the other message, and the
> message I
> forwarded contained information that caused me irreparable harm.
>
> This is a serious bug and illustrates to me that this is not a
> commericially
> acceptable product.
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Old 06-09-2008   #3 (permalink)
tester
Guest


 

Re: Potentially Dangerous Search Pointer Bug

You are not understanding what I have reported.

If it finds at least one message, you are presented with the message found
before it has completed its search.

As it continues to find other messages, the potential exists that the
pointer moves and the message it origininally displayed is not in fact the
message "in focus" to use the term you have presented.

So you may in fact begin replying to a different message than you thought
you were, because the pointer moved without your selecting a different
message.

This is a bug, because you didn't do anything to have the system switch your
highlighted message to another, it did it by itself.

And it is potentially dangerous because.

You and I have bantered before and your passion for Microsoft is commendable
but not objective.

"Ildhund" wrote:
Quote:

> The search function (I presume you're referring to the 'Find a
> message' wordwheel) will find - eventually - all messages containing
> the string you have keyed in. It has no way of knowing which is the
> 'correct' one in your opinion. Which of the messages it finds has
> focus depends on so many variables that I haven't been able to pin
> it down. But I don't think I would ever assume that the system had
> found and marked precisely the message I was thinking of. How do you
> imagine that the program should work out which message - of the many
> containing your search string - it was that you wanted to forward?
>
> I don't think you can blame the program because you failed to read
> what you were about to send before you sent it.
> --
> Noel
>
> "tester" <tester@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:2FF88546-1172-40CB-B34B-59B616394367@xxxxxx
Quote:

> > I have discovered a potentially dangerous bug which occurs when
> > using the
> > search function.
> >
> > As you know, when you key in a search term, WLMail begins
> > searching
> > immediately and I have found displays the first message matching
> > the search
> > almost instantaneously, but if it finds several, the search
> > changes the
> > pointer from the initially found message to another, potentially
> > incorrect
> > message.
> >
> > In my case, I had two groups who were engaged in dialog on a topic
> > which
> > shared the subject.
> >
> > The message that initially displayed was to the message I wanted
> > to forward,
> > so I clicked Forward and began selecting my group, and typing my
> > message.
> >
> > Unfortunatley, the pointer had moved to the other message, and the
> > message I
> > forwarded contained information that caused me irreparable harm.
> >
> > This is a serious bug and illustrates to me that this is not a
> > commericially
> > acceptable product.
>
>
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Old 06-09-2008   #4 (permalink)
Earle Horton
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Re: Potentially Dangerous Search Pointer Bug


"tester" <tester@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:2FF88546-1172-40CB-B34B-59B616394367@xxxxxx
Quote:

>I have discovered a potentially dangerous bug which occurs when using the
> search function.
>
> As you know, when you key in a search term, WLMail begins searching
> immediately and I have found displays the first message matching the
> search
> almost instantaneously, but if it finds several, the search changes the
> pointer from the initially found message to another, potentially incorrect
> message.
>
> In my case, I had two groups who were engaged in dialog on a topic which
> shared the subject.
>
> The message that initially displayed was to the message I wanted to
> forward,
> so I clicked Forward and began selecting my group, and typing my message.
>
> Unfortunatley, the pointer had moved to the other message, and the message
> I
> forwarded contained information that caused me irreparable harm.
In fifty years no one will care. If you are clever enough you can
back-pedal and make it look like you intended to do that.

At any rate, when I am forwarding a message I usually open it first to make
sure it is the right one. When you're dealing with sensitive information of
whatever nature it pays to be careful. Rotf, lmao.
Quote:

>
> This is a serious bug and illustrates to me that this is not a
> commericially
> acceptable product.
Bingo!

Cheers,

Earle


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Old 06-09-2008   #5 (permalink)
tester
Guest


 

Re: Potentially Dangerous Search Pointer Bug

Wait, are yuou telling me life's not perfect.

STOP THE PRESSES, NEWS FLASH, MS HAS BUGS!!!!

WHy do you people waste your breath and our time with responses like these?

"Earle Horton" wrote:
Quote:

>
> "tester" <tester@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:2FF88546-1172-40CB-B34B-59B616394367@xxxxxx
Quote:

> >I have discovered a potentially dangerous bug which occurs when using the
> > search function.
> >
> > As you know, when you key in a search term, WLMail begins searching
> > immediately and I have found displays the first message matching the
> > search
> > almost instantaneously, but if it finds several, the search changes the
> > pointer from the initially found message to another, potentially incorrect
> > message.
> >
> > In my case, I had two groups who were engaged in dialog on a topic which
> > shared the subject.
> >
> > The message that initially displayed was to the message I wanted to
> > forward,
> > so I clicked Forward and began selecting my group, and typing my message.
> >
> > Unfortunatley, the pointer had moved to the other message, and the message
> > I
> > forwarded contained information that caused me irreparable harm.
>
> In fifty years no one will care. If you are clever enough you can
> back-pedal and make it look like you intended to do that.
>
> At any rate, when I am forwarding a message I usually open it first to make
> sure it is the right one. When you're dealing with sensitive information of
> whatever nature it pays to be careful. Rotf, lmao.
Quote:

> >
> > This is a serious bug and illustrates to me that this is not a
> > commericially
> > acceptable product.
>
> Bingo!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
>
>
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Old 06-10-2008   #6 (permalink)
Ildhund
Guest


 

Re: Potentially Dangerous Search Pointer Bug

There's no way of knowing in which order messages containing the
search term will be found in the index. It could be the most
recently indexed message first, or the first indexed message first,
or the message with the most matches first... those who wrote the
code would be able to tell us, but until they do, we're in the dark.
Which of the found messages (if any) then takes focus depends also
on so many factors as to be unpredictable, except that conducting
the same search from the same starting situation on the same set of
data should produce the same result. I can only say that attempting
to perform some action on search results while the search is
underway is asking for trouble. It's like putting the flaps up
before the aircraft's got up to take-off speed and then wondering
why it crashed at the end of the runway.

I carry no particular banner for Microsoft, but I do get peeved when
people ascribe a problem to mechanical failure when it's been caused
by pilot error.
--
Noel

"tester" <tester@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:A3CF97A4-2BE0-4707-9C1F-C135E1CE3337@xxxxxx
Quote:

> You are not understanding what I have reported.
>
> If it finds at least one message, you are presented with the
> message found
> before it has completed its search.
>
> As it continues to find other messages, the potential exists that
> the
> pointer moves and the message it origininally displayed is not in
> fact the
> message "in focus" to use the term you have presented.
>
> So you may in fact begin replying to a different message than you
> thought
> you were, because the pointer moved without your selecting a
> different
> message.
>
> This is a bug, because you didn't do anything to have the system
> switch your
> highlighted message to another, it did it by itself.
>
> And it is potentially dangerous because.
>
> You and I have bantered before and your passion for Microsoft is
> commendable
> but not objective.
>
> "Ildhund" wrote:
>
Quote:

>> The search function (I presume you're referring to the 'Find a
>> message' wordwheel) will find - eventually - all messages
>> containing
>> the string you have keyed in. It has no way of knowing which is
>> the
>> 'correct' one in your opinion. Which of the messages it finds has
>> focus depends on so many variables that I haven't been able to
>> pin
>> it down. But I don't think I would ever assume that the system
>> had
>> found and marked precisely the message I was thinking of. How do
>> you
>> imagine that the program should work out which message - of the
>> many
>> containing your search string - it was that you wanted to
>> forward?
>>
>> I don't think you can blame the program because you failed to
>> read
>> what you were about to send before you sent it.
>> --
>> Noel
>>
>> "tester" <tester@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:2FF88546-1172-40CB-B34B-59B616394367@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> > I have discovered a potentially dangerous bug which occurs when
>> > using the
>> > search function.
>> >
>> > As you know, when you key in a search term, WLMail begins
>> > searching
>> > immediately and I have found displays the first message
>> > matching
>> > the search
>> > almost instantaneously, but if it finds several, the search
>> > changes the
>> > pointer from the initially found message to another,
>> > potentially
>> > incorrect
>> > message.
>> >
>> > In my case, I had two groups who were engaged in dialog on a
>> > topic
>> > which
>> > shared the subject.
>> >
>> > The message that initially displayed was to the message I
>> > wanted
>> > to forward,
>> > so I clicked Forward and began selecting my group, and typing
>> > my
>> > message.
>> >
>> > Unfortunatley, the pointer had moved to the other message, and
>> > the
>> > message I
>> > forwarded contained information that caused me irreparable
>> > harm.
>> >
>> > This is a serious bug and illustrates to me that this is not a
>> > commericially
>> > acceptable product.
>>
>>
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Old 06-10-2008   #7 (permalink)
Michael Santovec
Guest


 

Re: Potentially Dangerous Search Pointer Bug

Trying to reproduce your issue, I'm guessing that as soon as you see the
message you want, you are selecting Actions, Forward As Attachment.

If you double clicked the found message to open in its own window and
then selected to forward as attachment, OR if you used Actions, Forward,
it should be obvious if you got the wrong message.

Prudence would dictate you use either of the latter courses. That way
you get to verify the contents of the message being forwarded.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"tester" <tester@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:A3CF97A4-2BE0-4707-9C1F-C135E1CE3337@xxxxxx
Quote:

> You are not understanding what I have reported.
>
> If it finds at least one message, you are presented with the message
> found
> before it has completed its search.
>
> As it continues to find other messages, the potential exists that the
> pointer moves and the message it origininally displayed is not in fact
> the
> message "in focus" to use the term you have presented.
>
> So you may in fact begin replying to a different message than you
> thought
> you were, because the pointer moved without your selecting a different
> message.
>
> This is a bug, because you didn't do anything to have the system
> switch your
> highlighted message to another, it did it by itself.
>
> And it is potentially dangerous because.
>
> You and I have bantered before and your passion for Microsoft is
> commendable
> but not objective.
>
> "Ildhund" wrote:
>
Quote:

>> The search function (I presume you're referring to the 'Find a
>> message' wordwheel) will find - eventually - all messages containing
>> the string you have keyed in. It has no way of knowing which is the
>> 'correct' one in your opinion. Which of the messages it finds has
>> focus depends on so many variables that I haven't been able to pin
>> it down. But I don't think I would ever assume that the system had
>> found and marked precisely the message I was thinking of. How do you
>> imagine that the program should work out which message - of the many
>> containing your search string - it was that you wanted to forward?
>>
>> I don't think you can blame the program because you failed to read
>> what you were about to send before you sent it.
>> --
>> Noel
>>
>> "tester" <tester@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:2FF88546-1172-40CB-B34B-59B616394367@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> > I have discovered a potentially dangerous bug which occurs when
>> > using the
>> > search function.
>> >
>> > As you know, when you key in a search term, WLMail begins
>> > searching
>> > immediately and I have found displays the first message matching
>> > the search
>> > almost instantaneously, but if it finds several, the search
>> > changes the
>> > pointer from the initially found message to another, potentially
>> > incorrect
>> > message.
>> >
>> > In my case, I had two groups who were engaged in dialog on a topic
>> > which
>> > shared the subject.
>> >
>> > The message that initially displayed was to the message I wanted
>> > to forward,
>> > so I clicked Forward and began selecting my group, and typing my
>> > message.
>> >
>> > Unfortunatley, the pointer had moved to the other message, and the
>> > message I
>> > forwarded contained information that caused me irreparable harm.
>> >
>> > This is a serious bug and illustrates to me that this is not a
>> > commericially
>> > acceptable product.
>>
>>
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Old 06-10-2008   #8 (permalink)
Earle Horton
Guest


 

Re: Potentially Dangerous Search Pointer Bug

This is obviously, but obviously a beta product. If you really did yourself
"irreparable harm" in the way you say, well then you put your own foot in
it. Let others learn from your mistakes. I was laughing at you.

Cheers,

Earle

"tester" <tester@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:0F897C08-E06F-4FEC-9721-11A89BE99592@xxxxxx
Quote:

> Wait, are yuou telling me life's not perfect.
>
> STOP THE PRESSES, NEWS FLASH, MS HAS BUGS!!!!
>
> WHy do you people waste your breath and our time with responses like
> these?
>
> "Earle Horton" wrote:
>
Quote:

>>
>> "tester" <tester@xxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:2FF88546-1172-40CB-B34B-59B616394367@xxxxxx
Quote:

>> >I have discovered a potentially dangerous bug which occurs when using
>> >the
>> > search function.
>> >
>> > As you know, when you key in a search term, WLMail begins searching
>> > immediately and I have found displays the first message matching the
>> > search
>> > almost instantaneously, but if it finds several, the search changes the
>> > pointer from the initially found message to another, potentially
>> > incorrect
>> > message.
>> >
>> > In my case, I had two groups who were engaged in dialog on a topic
>> > which
>> > shared the subject.
>> >
>> > The message that initially displayed was to the message I wanted to
>> > forward,
>> > so I clicked Forward and began selecting my group, and typing my
>> > message.
>> >
>> > Unfortunatley, the pointer had moved to the other message, and the
>> > message
>> > I
>> > forwarded contained information that caused me irreparable harm.
>>
>> In fifty years no one will care. If you are clever enough you can
>> back-pedal and make it look like you intended to do that.
>>
>> At any rate, when I am forwarding a message I usually open it first to
>> make
>> sure it is the right one. When you're dealing with sensitive information
>> of
>> whatever nature it pays to be careful. Rotf, lmao.
Quote:

>> >
>> > This is a serious bug and illustrates to me that this is not a
>> > commericially
>> > acceptable product.
>>
>> Bingo!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Earle
>>
>>
>>

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Old 06-14-2008   #9 (permalink)
N. Miller
Guest


 

Re: Potentially Dangerous Search Pointer Bug

On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 07:42:01 -0700, tester wrote:
Quote:

> This is a serious bug and illustrates to me that this is not a commericially
> acceptable product.
How much, exactly, did you pay for this product?

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
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