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06-15-2008
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| | Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups. [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup: microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop] You managed to post to WinXP General (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) newsgroup via the Microsoft newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using Windows Live Mail as your News Client, and I assume you were connected via your new ADSL ISP when you posted. This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when accessing newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which your ISP may or may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g., news.MyNewISP.com)? Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver? => news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password required) Other free newsgroups: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ & http://www.newzbot.com/ -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ Ibex wrote: Quote: > My OS is WinXP Pro SP3. > I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up > connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider (ISP) > who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed. > > Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable downloading/sending > messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing) the > Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all. > > The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the > problem, > in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested > replacing > the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a 'Linksys > WAG200G' router but the problem still persists. > > So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not find > anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then connected my > computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access of > Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went without > any problems. > > Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up > connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection and as > with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and > retrieving/sending messages. > (This messages is send using my dial-up connection). > > I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my > existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access to > Newsgroups. > > I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but > they > don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups > connect > to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port 119 and > the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing. > > I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all > this > is either not read or just not understood and appreciated. > > Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and advise > if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am wrong > and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere else > and/or should be communicated (technically) differently. > And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide > evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the > settings > of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to fix > the > problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract without > incurring any penalties. > Any advice is greatly appreciated. > TIA. |
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06-15-2008
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| | Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups. Hi PA Bear. "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@xxxxxx Quote: > [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup: > microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop] > > You managed to post to WinXP General (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) > newsgroup via the Microsoft newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using > Windows Live Mail as your News Client, and I assume you were connected via > your new ADSL ISP when you posted. messages is send using my dial-up connection)." Quote: > > This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when accessing > newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which your ISP may or > may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g., news.MyNewISP.com)? msnews.microsoft.com news.aioe.org and privatenews.microsoft.com The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail. The above are *not* provided by the ISP. Quote: > > Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver? => > news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password required) connection from a different ISP. Quote: provides ADSL connection. However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection. Quote: > > > Ibex wrote: Quote: >> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3. >> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up >> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider (ISP) >> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed. >> >> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable >> downloading/sending >> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing) >> the >> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all. >> >> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the >> problem, >> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested >> replacing >> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a 'Linksys >> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists. >> >> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not >> find >> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then connected my >> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access of >> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went >> without >> any problems. >> >> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up >> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection and as >> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and >> retrieving/sending messages. >> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection). >> >> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my >> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access to >> Newsgroups. >> >> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but >> they >> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups >> connect >> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port 119 and >> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing. >> >> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all >> this >> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated. >> >> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and >> advise >> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am >> wrong >> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere >> else >> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently. >> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide >> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the >> settings >> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to fix >> the >> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract without >> incurring any penalties. >> Any advice is greatly appreciated. >> TIA. |
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06-15-2008
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| | Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups. If you have the Telnet client installed in your copy of Windows, go to a Command Prompt and try telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119 Do you get a banner reply from the NNTP server? If not, your ISP may be blocking port 119, which is very unusual. -- Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP "Ibex" <capraibex@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:A65D9485-E892-4899-AD0C-4C57EE08DB3E@xxxxxx Quote: > Hi PA Bear. > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@xxxxxx Quote: >> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup: >> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop] >> >> You managed to post to WinXP General (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) >> newsgroup via the Microsoft newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using >> Windows Live Mail as your News Client, and I assume you were connected via >> your new ADSL ISP when you posted. > No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post "(This > messages is send using my dial-up connection)." Quote: >> >> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when accessing >> newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which your ISP may or >> may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g., news.MyNewISP.com)? > The names of News Server are: > msnews.microsoft.com > news.aioe.org > and > privatenews.microsoft.com > The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail. > The above are *not* provided by the ISP. Quote: >> >> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver? => >> news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password required) > Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my dial-up > connection from a different ISP. Quote: > I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP who > provides ADSL connection. > However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a > *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection. Quote: >> >> >> Ibex wrote: Quote: >>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3. >>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up >>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider (ISP) >>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed. >>> >>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable >>> downloading/sending >>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing) >>> the >>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all. >>> >>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the >>> problem, >>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested >>> replacing >>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a 'Linksys >>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists. >>> >>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not >>> find >>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then connected my >>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access of >>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went >>> without >>> any problems. >>> >>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up >>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection and as >>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and >>> retrieving/sending messages. >>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection). >>> >>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my >>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access to >>> Newsgroups. >>> >>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but >>> they >>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups >>> connect >>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port 119 and >>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing. >>> >>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all >>> this >>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated. >>> >>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and >>> advise >>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am >>> wrong >>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere >>> else >>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently. >>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide >>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the >>> settings >>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to fix >>> the >>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract without >>> incurring any penalties. >>> Any advice is greatly appreciated. >>> TIA. |
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06-15-2008
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| | Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups. Here is the response I got: " 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed " I tried accessing Newsgroups again using Microsoft Live Mail and 40tude but without success  "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OHNc7i0zIHA.3496@xxxxxx Quote: > If you have the Telnet client installed in your copy of Windows, > go to a Command Prompt and try > > telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119 > > Do you get a banner reply from the NNTP server? > If not, your ISP may be blocking port 119, which is very unusual. > -- > Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP > > > "Ibex" <capraibex@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:A65D9485-E892-4899-AD0C-4C57EE08DB3E@xxxxxx Quote: >> Hi PA Bear. >> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@xxxxxx Quote: >>> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup: >>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop] >>> >>> You managed to post to WinXP General >>> (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) newsgroup via the Microsoft >>> newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using Windows Live Mail as your >>> News Client, and I assume you were connected via your new ADSL ISP when >>> you posted. >> No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post "(This >> messages is send using my dial-up connection)." Quote: >>> >>> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when accessing >>> newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which your ISP may >>> or may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g., news.MyNewISP.com)? >> The names of News Server are: >> msnews.microsoft.com >> news.aioe.org >> and >> privatenews.microsoft.com >> The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail. >> The above are *not* provided by the ISP. Quote: >>> >>> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver? => >>> news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password required) >> Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my >> dial-up connection from a different ISP. Quote: >> I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP who >> provides ADSL connection. >> However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a >> *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection. Quote: >>> >>> >>> Ibex wrote: >>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3. >>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up >>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider >>>> (ISP) >>>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed. >>>> >>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable >>>> downloading/sending >>>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing) >>>> the >>>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all. >>>> >>>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the >>>> problem, >>>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested >>>> replacing >>>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a 'Linksys >>>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists. >>>> >>>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not >>>> find >>>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then connected >>>> my >>>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access of >>>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went >>>> without >>>> any problems. >>>> >>>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up >>>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection and >>>> as >>>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and >>>> retrieving/sending messages. >>>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection). >>>> >>>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my >>>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access >>>> to >>>> Newsgroups. >>>> >>>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but >>>> they >>>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups >>>> connect >>>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port 119 >>>> and >>>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing. >>>> >>>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all >>>> this >>>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated. >>>> >>>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and >>>> advise >>>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am >>>> wrong >>>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere >>>> else >>>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently. >>>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide >>>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the >>>> settings >>>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to >>>> fix the >>>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract without >>>> incurring any penalties. >>>> Any advice is greatly appreciated. >>>> TIA. >>> |
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06-15-2008
| #5 (permalink) |
| | Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups. Here is what I got: " 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed " I tried accessing NNTP based Newsgroups again using the ADSL connection provided by my ISP but without success. This message was sent by dial-up connection using a different ISP. Any other suggestion as how to lick this problem? Rgds, "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OHNc7i0zIHA.3496@xxxxxx Quote: > If you have the Telnet client installed in your copy of Windows, > go to a Command Prompt and try > > telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119 > > Do you get a banner reply from the NNTP server? > If not, your ISP may be blocking port 119, which is very unusual. > -- > Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP > > > "Ibex" <capraibex@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:A65D9485-E892-4899-AD0C-4C57EE08DB3E@xxxxxx Quote: >> Hi PA Bear. >> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@xxxxxx Quote: >>> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup: >>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop] >>> >>> You managed to post to WinXP General >>> (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) newsgroup via the Microsoft >>> newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using Windows Live Mail as your >>> News Client, and I assume you were connected via your new ADSL ISP when >>> you posted. >> No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post "(This >> messages is send using my dial-up connection)." Quote: >>> >>> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when accessing >>> newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which your ISP may >>> or may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g., news.MyNewISP.com)? >> The names of News Server are: >> msnews.microsoft.com >> news.aioe.org >> and >> privatenews.microsoft.com >> The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail. >> The above are *not* provided by the ISP. Quote: >>> >>> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver? => >>> news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password required) >> Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my >> dial-up connection from a different ISP. Quote: >> I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP who >> provides ADSL connection. >> However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a >> *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection. Quote: >>> >>> >>> Ibex wrote: >>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3. >>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up >>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider >>>> (ISP) >>>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed. >>>> >>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable >>>> downloading/sending >>>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing) >>>> the >>>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all. >>>> >>>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the >>>> problem, >>>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested >>>> replacing >>>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a 'Linksys >>>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists. >>>> >>>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not >>>> find >>>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then connected >>>> my >>>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access of >>>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went >>>> without >>>> any problems. >>>> >>>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up >>>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection and >>>> as >>>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and >>>> retrieving/sending messages. >>>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection). >>>> >>>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my >>>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access >>>> to >>>> Newsgroups. >>>> >>>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but >>>> they >>>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups >>>> connect >>>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port 119 >>>> and >>>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing. >>>> >>>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all >>>> this >>>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated. >>>> >>>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and >>>> advise >>>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am >>>> wrong >>>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere >>>> else >>>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently. >>>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide >>>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the >>>> settings >>>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to >>>> fix the >>>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract without >>>> incurring any penalties. >>>> Any advice is greatly appreciated. >>>> TIA. >>> |
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06-15-2008
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| | Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups. If you're getting any errors messages when you try to access the newsgroups via your new ADSL ISP, post the errors in their entirety, please. -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ Ibex wrote: Quote: > Here is what I got: > > " 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed " > > I tried accessing NNTP based Newsgroups again using the ADSL connection > provided by my ISP but without success. This message was sent by dial-up > connection using a different ISP. > Any other suggestion as how to lick this problem? > Rgds, > > "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:OHNc7i0zIHA.3496@xxxxxx Quote: >> If you have the Telnet client installed in your copy of Windows, >> go to a Command Prompt and try >> >> telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119 >> >> Do you get a banner reply from the NNTP server? >> If not, your ISP may be blocking port 119, which is very unusual. >> -- >> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP >> >> >> "Ibex" <capraibex@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:A65D9485-E892-4899-AD0C-4C57EE08DB3E@xxxxxx Quote: >>> Hi PA Bear. >>> >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@xxxxxx >>>> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup: >>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop] >>>> >>>> You managed to post to WinXP General >>>> (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) newsgroup via the Microsoft >>>> newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using Windows Live Mail as your >>>> News Client, and I assume you were connected via your new ADSL ISP when >>>> you posted. >>> >>> No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post "(This >>> messages is send using my dial-up connection)." >>>> >>>> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when >>>> accessing >>>> newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which your ISP may >>>> or may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g., news.MyNewISP.com)? >>> >>> The names of News Server are: >>> msnews.microsoft.com >>> news.aioe.org >>> and >>> privatenews.microsoft.com >>> The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail. >>> The above are *not* provided by the ISP. >>>> >>>> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver? => >>>> news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password required) >>> >>> Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my >>> dial-up connection from a different ISP. >>>> >>>> Other free newsgroups: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ & >>>> http://www.newzbot.com/ >>> >>> I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP who >>> provides ADSL connection. >>> However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a >>> *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection. >>>> >>>> >>>> Ibex wrote: >>>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3. >>>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up >>>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider >>>>> (ISP) >>>>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed. >>>>> >>>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable >>>>> downloading/sending >>>>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing) >>>>> the >>>>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all. >>>>> >>>>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the >>>>> problem, >>>>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested >>>>> replacing >>>>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a 'Linksys >>>>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists. >>>>> >>>>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not >>>>> find >>>>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then connected >>>>> my >>>>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access of >>>>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went >>>>> without >>>>> any problems. >>>>> >>>>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up >>>>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection and >>>>> as >>>>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and >>>>> retrieving/sending messages. >>>>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection). >>>>> >>>>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my >>>>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access >>>>> to >>>>> Newsgroups. >>>>> >>>>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but >>>>> they >>>>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups >>>>> connect >>>>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port 119 >>>>> and >>>>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing. >>>>> >>>>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all >>>>> this >>>>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and >>>>> advise >>>>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am >>>>> wrong >>>>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere >>>>> else >>>>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently. >>>>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide >>>>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the >>>>> settings >>>>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to >>>>> fix the >>>>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract >>>>> without >>>>> incurring any penalties. >>>>> Any advice is greatly appreciated. >>>>> TIA. |
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| | Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups. Interesting. At least we now know that port 119 is not blocked. I don't have any other suggestions at this point. -- Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP "Ibex" <capraibex@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:835D8B71-643A-42D8-8D72-6BBE885524BD@xxxxxx Quote: > Here is what I got: > > " 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed " > > I tried accessing NNTP based Newsgroups again using the ADSL connection > provided by my ISP but without success. This message was sent by dial-up > connection using a different ISP. > Any other suggestion as how to lick this problem? > Rgds, > > "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:OHNc7i0zIHA.3496@xxxxxx Quote: >> If you have the Telnet client installed in your copy of Windows, >> go to a Command Prompt and try >> >> telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119 >> >> Do you get a banner reply from the NNTP server? >> If not, your ISP may be blocking port 119, which is very unusual. >> -- >> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP >> >> >> "Ibex" <capraibex@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:A65D9485-E892-4899-AD0C-4C57EE08DB3E@xxxxxx Quote: >>> Hi PA Bear. >>> >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@xxxxxx >>>> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup: >>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop] >>>> >>>> You managed to post to WinXP General >>>> (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) newsgroup via the Microsoft >>>> newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using Windows Live Mail as your >>>> News Client, and I assume you were connected via your new ADSL ISP when >>>> you posted. >>> >>> No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post "(This >>> messages is send using my dial-up connection)." >>>> >>>> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when accessing >>>> newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which your ISP may >>>> or may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g., news.MyNewISP.com)? >>> >>> The names of News Server are: >>> msnews.microsoft.com >>> news.aioe.org >>> and >>> privatenews.microsoft.com >>> The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail. >>> The above are *not* provided by the ISP. >>>> >>>> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver? => >>>> news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password required) >>> >>> Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my >>> dial-up connection from a different ISP. >>>> >>>> Other free newsgroups: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ & >>>> http://www.newzbot.com/ >>> >>> I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP who >>> provides ADSL connection. >>> However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a >>> *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection. >>>> >>>> >>>> Ibex wrote: >>>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3. >>>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a dial-up >>>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider >>>>> (ISP) >>>>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed. >>>>> >>>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable >>>>> downloading/sending >>>>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing (browsing) >>>>> the >>>>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all. >>>>> >>>>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the >>>>> problem, >>>>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested >>>>> replacing >>>>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a 'Linksys >>>>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists. >>>>> >>>>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not >>>>> find >>>>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then connected >>>>> my >>>>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access of >>>>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went >>>>> without >>>>> any problems. >>>>> >>>>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up >>>>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection and >>>>> as >>>>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and >>>>> retrieving/sending messages. >>>>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection). >>>>> >>>>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my >>>>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access >>>>> to >>>>> Newsgroups. >>>>> >>>>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices but >>>>> they >>>>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups >>>>> connect >>>>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port 119 >>>>> and >>>>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing. >>>>> >>>>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that all >>>>> this >>>>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and >>>>> advise >>>>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am >>>>> wrong >>>>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere >>>>> else >>>>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently. >>>>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide >>>>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the >>>>> settings >>>>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to >>>>> fix the >>>>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract without >>>>> incurring any penalties. >>>>> Any advice is greatly appreciated. >>>>> TIA. >>>> |
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| | Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups. PA Bear, Error Messages - Windows Live Mail: (1) Your NNPT (Network News Transfer Protocol) server has not responded in 60 seconds. Would you like to wait another 60 seconds for the server to respond? Account: msnews.microsoft.com Server: msnews.microsoft.com Ibex note: When clicking on to YES the same message will pop - up about 60 seconds later... (2) Windows Live Mail cannot connect to the Internet, possibly because an antivirus or firewall program won't allow it. Make sure any antivirus or firewall programs on your computer allow Windows Live Mail (wlmail.exe) to access the Internet. Configuration: Account: msnews.microsoft.com Server: msnews.microsoft.com Protocol: NNTP Port: 119 Ibex note: KAV 7 was configured to allow to allow WLM to the Internet as is my Linksys router and wlmail.exe is in the exception list of my Windows Firewall. Also, I just uninstalled KAV7 and replaced it with NOD32. Error Messages 40tude Dialog Newsreader: (1) The application C:\Program Files\40tude Dialog.exe cannot establish connection with server 207.46.248.16 Please check your Internet connection settings. If you have a firewall installed, check that the application avp.exe is allowed internet access. Ibex note: http://whois.domaintools.com/207.46.248.16 (2) Network Error (tcp_error) A communication error occurred: "Operation timed out" The Web Server may be down, too busy, or experiencing other problems preventing it from responding to requests. You may wish to try again at a later time. For assistance, contact your network support team. (3) Read Timeout [msnews.microsoft.com] [Finished] Socket Error # 10057; Socket is nor connected. [msnews.microsoft.com] [Finished] Ibex note: I can access *all* Newsgroups without *any* problems when switching to another ISP using dial-up connection. This makes me believe that: a) The error messages may be meaningless and b) My ISP who is providing me with the ADSL connection may be blocking NNTP services. If so, what would be the best way to prove that they are blocking NNTP services? Rgds, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:Od7SiE1zIHA.3968@xxxxxx Quote: > If you're getting any errors messages when you try to access the > newsgroups via your new ADSL ISP, post the errors in their entirety, > please. > -- > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 > AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net > DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ > > Ibex wrote: Quote: >> Here is what I got: >> >> " 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed " >> >> I tried accessing NNTP based Newsgroups again using the ADSL connection >> provided by my ISP but without success. This message was sent by dial-up >> connection using a different ISP. >> Any other suggestion as how to lick this problem? >> Rgds, >> >> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:OHNc7i0zIHA.3496@xxxxxx Quote: >>> If you have the Telnet client installed in your copy of Windows, >>> go to a Command Prompt and try >>> >>> telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119 >>> >>> Do you get a banner reply from the NNTP server? >>> If not, your ISP may be blocking port 119, which is very unusual. >>> -- >>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP >>> >>> >>> "Ibex" <capraibex@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> news:A65D9485-E892-4899-AD0C-4C57EE08DB3E@xxxxxx >>>> Hi PA Bear. >>>> >>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>>> news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@xxxxxx >>>>> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup: >>>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop] >>>>> >>>>> You managed to post to WinXP General >>>>> (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) newsgroup via the Microsoft >>>>> newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using Windows Live Mail as your >>>>> News Client, and I assume you were connected via your new ADSL ISP >>>>> when >>>>> you posted. >>>> >>>> No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post "(This >>>> messages is send using my dial-up connection)." >>>>> >>>>> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when >>>>> accessing >>>>> newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which your ISP >>>>> may >>>>> or may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g., news.MyNewISP.com)? >>>> >>>> The names of News Server are: >>>> msnews.microsoft.com >>>> news.aioe.org >>>> and >>>> privatenews.microsoft.com >>>> The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail. >>>> The above are *not* provided by the ISP. >>>>> >>>>> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver? => >>>>> news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password >>>>> required) >>>> >>>> Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my >>>> dial-up connection from a different ISP. >>>>> >>>>> Other free newsgroups: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ & >>>>> http://www.newzbot.com/ >>>> >>>> I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP who >>>> provides ADSL connection. >>>> However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a >>>> *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ibex wrote: >>>>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3. >>>>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a >>>>>> dial-up >>>>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider >>>>>> (ISP) >>>>>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable >>>>>> downloading/sending >>>>>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing >>>>>> (browsing) >>>>>> the >>>>>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the >>>>>> problem, >>>>>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested >>>>>> replacing >>>>>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a >>>>>> 'Linksys >>>>>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not >>>>>> find >>>>>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then >>>>>> connected >>>>>> my >>>>>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access >>>>>> of >>>>>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went >>>>>> without >>>>>> any problems. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up >>>>>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection >>>>>> and >>>>>> as >>>>>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and >>>>>> retrieving/sending messages. >>>>>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection). >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my >>>>>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access >>>>>> to >>>>>> Newsgroups. >>>>>> >>>>>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices >>>>>> but >>>>>> they >>>>>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups >>>>>> connect >>>>>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port 119 >>>>>> and >>>>>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing. >>>>>> >>>>>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that >>>>>> all >>>>>> this >>>>>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and >>>>>> advise >>>>>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am >>>>>> wrong >>>>>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere >>>>>> else >>>>>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently. >>>>>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide >>>>>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the >>>>>> settings >>>>>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to >>>>>> fix the >>>>>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract >>>>>> without >>>>>> incurring any penalties. >>>>>> Any advice is greatly appreciated. >>>>>> TIA. |
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| | Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups. Gary, FYI, I tried this as well: (1) telnet news.grc.com 119 Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. C:\Documents and Settings\XXXX XXXXXXXX>telnet news.grc.com 119 Connecting To news.grc.com...Could not open connection to the host, on port 119: Connect failed (2) telnet news.aioe.org 119 200 aioe.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.4.4 (20080128 snapshot) ready (posting ok). Connection to host lost. (3) telnet privatenews.microsoft.com 119 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed Rgds, "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:ut0MJ$0zIHA.2292@xxxxxx Quote: > Interesting. At least we now know that port 119 is not blocked. > I don't have any other suggestions at this point. > -- > Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP > > > "Ibex" <capraibex@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:835D8B71-643A-42D8-8D72-6BBE885524BD@xxxxxx Quote: >> Here is what I got: >> >> " 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed " >> >> I tried accessing NNTP based Newsgroups again using the ADSL connection >> provided by my ISP but without success. This message was sent by dial-up >> connection using a different ISP. >> Any other suggestion as how to lick this problem? >> Rgds, >> >> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:OHNc7i0zIHA.3496@xxxxxx Quote: >>> If you have the Telnet client installed in your copy of Windows, >>> go to a Command Prompt and try >>> >>> telnet msnews.microsoft.com 119 >>> >>> Do you get a banner reply from the NNTP server? >>> If not, your ISP may be blocking port 119, which is very unusual. >>> -- >>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP >>> >>> >>> "Ibex" <capraibex@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>> news:A65D9485-E892-4899-AD0C-4C57EE08DB3E@xxxxxx >>>> Hi PA Bear. >>>> >>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@xxxxxx> wrote in message >>>> news:eCCI#tyzIHA.3680@xxxxxx >>>>> [Crossposted to Windows Live Mail newsgroup: >>>>> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop] >>>>> >>>>> You managed to post to WinXP General >>>>> (microsoft.public.windowsxp.general) newsgroup via the Microsoft >>>>> newsserver (news.msnews.microsoft.com) using Windows Live Mail as your >>>>> News Client, and I assume you were connected via your new ADSL ISP >>>>> when you posted. >>>> >>>> No, your assumption is incorrect. As stated in my original post "(This >>>> messages is send using my dial-up connection)." >>>>> >>>>> This leads me to suspect that you're only having problems when >>>>> accessing newsgroups via the newsserver your new ISP provides (which >>>>> your ISP may or may not own). What newsserver is it (e.g., >>>>> news.MyNewISP.com)? >>>> >>>> The names of News Server are: >>>> msnews.microsoft.com >>>> news.aioe.org >>>> and >>>> privatenews.microsoft.com >>>> The name of News Reader is Windows Live Mail. >>>> The above are *not* provided by the ISP. >>>>> >>>>> Can you successfully access newsgroups on the following newsserver? => >>>>> news://news.mozilla.org/ (just click on the link; no password >>>>> required) >>>> >>>> Yes, I tried and could do this successfully. But only when using my >>>> dial-up connection from a different ISP. >>>>> >>>>> Other free newsgroups: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ & >>>>> http://www.newzbot.com/ >>>> >>>> I am unable to access *any* NNTP based Newsgroups when using my ISP who >>>> provides ADSL connection. >>>> However, I am able to access *all* NNTP based Newsgroups when using a >>>> *different* ISP who provides dial-up connection. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ibex wrote: >>>>>> My OS is WinXP Pro SP3. >>>>>> I reside in a less developed part of SEAsia. I used to be on a >>>>>> dial-up >>>>>> connection but about 9 months ago changed Internet Service Provider >>>>>> (ISP) >>>>>> who is providing me now with an ADSL connection of variable speed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since about 3 weeks or so, all of a sudden I am unable >>>>>> downloading/sending >>>>>> messages from various NNPT based Newsgroups. But accessing >>>>>> (browsing) the >>>>>> Internet and e-mail facilities is not a problem at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> The ISP technicians came to my place 3 times but could not find the >>>>>> problem, >>>>>> in fact they knew little about Newsgroups. They finally suggested >>>>>> replacing >>>>>> the router which was provided by the ISP. Well, I purchased a >>>>>> 'Linksys >>>>>> WAG200G' router but the problem still persists. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, I took my computer to a repair shop but the technicians could not >>>>>> find >>>>>> anything wrong with my computer either. The technicians then >>>>>> connected my >>>>>> computer to a *different* ISP and everything went fine - The access >>>>>> of >>>>>> Newsgroups and downloading/retrieving and sending of messages went >>>>>> without >>>>>> any problems. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then I recalled that I still have some hours left on my old dial-up >>>>>> connection from my previous ISP. I re-established this connection >>>>>> and as >>>>>> with the different ISP connection, I am able accessing Newsgroups and >>>>>> retrieving/sending messages. >>>>>> (This messages is send using my dial-up connection). >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not a technical person but based on the above I suspect that my >>>>>> existing ISP has for inexplicable reasons decided to block the access >>>>>> to >>>>>> Newsgroups. >>>>>> >>>>>> I talked to the ISP customer services people at their head offices >>>>>> but they >>>>>> don't appear to understand the problem. I explained that Newsgroups >>>>>> connect >>>>>> to a Network News Transfer Protocol (NNPT) using exclusively port 119 >>>>>> and >>>>>> the ISP is most likely blocking this from executing. >>>>>> >>>>>> I even provided pertinent links and information, but it seems that >>>>>> all this >>>>>> is either not read or just not understood and appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since I am not a techie, could somebody please help me out here and >>>>>> advise >>>>>> if my technical reason is sound or need to be refined. Or, if I am >>>>>> wrong >>>>>> and the reason for not being able accessing newsgroups lies somewhere >>>>>> else >>>>>> and/or should be communicated (technically) differently. >>>>>> And, is it possible to perform some kind of test in order to provide >>>>>> evidence that the fault lies with the ISP and is not related to the >>>>>> settings >>>>>> of my operating system. I then could hopefully get the ISP either to >>>>>> fix the >>>>>> problem or get them to release me from my subscription contract >>>>>> without >>>>>> incurring any penalties. >>>>>> Any advice is greatly appreciated. >>>>>> TIA. >>>>> |
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| | Re: Accessibility using NNPT based Newsgroups. "Ibex" <capraibex@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:BF747E6F-F5D5-4FF0-8F40-78A3F39AA4DB@xxxxxx Quote: > Here is the response I got: > > " 200 NNTP Service 6.0.3790.1830 Version: 6.0.3790.1830 Posting Allowed " > > I tried accessing Newsgroups again using Microsoft Live Mail and 40tude but > without success Does 40tude have any better diagnostics than either OE or WLMail? Alternatively you could use netcap and Ethereal to see exactly what is going on. In any case, a better simulation of what happens before you see any logging by the Microsoft products would be to issue a LIST command. Perhaps the amount of output that generates is more than your new ISP will allow? In order to avoid that being done normally you could _uncheck_ (in Options, General tab): Notify me if there are any new newsgroups HTH Robert Aldwinckle --- |
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