RFC - News header retention & performance

I like to have all the headers for all the news groups I read retained on my
disk, in synch with what the news servers has - not a lot of point in
keeping headers for which the server has no body, but not entirely pointless
either at least you have the subject and message author idents..

Options->Read->News->Get is unchecked, that causes all the headers to be
read.

I think the headers are in Mail.MSMessageStore, - mine is 570K, is that big?

If so then that may be why I find switching between mail & news so
infuriatingly sluggish.


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TUT

My Mail.MSMessageStore runs about 40 MB.

It appears to hold, among other things, the headers for all mail and
news messages as well as the list of newsgroups on the news servers that
you use.

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Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"Urbane.Tiger" <viking.warrior@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Urbane.Tiger" <viking.warrior@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Your Message-ID shows that you are using a different server
than most. What is its retention period for this newsgroup?

More importantly, even if the server doesn't keep the messages,
if it never changes the beginning message number
in the NNTP 211 reply to group requests, WLMail will have
no reason to delete any. In that case you might want to do
a periodic Reset to know for sure that you aren't keeping old
headers unnecessarily.

Use the troubleshooting log for News to check on exactly
what your server is telling WLMail and then see if what
it is doing is consistent with that.


Good luck

Robert Aldwinckle
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"Urbane.Tiger" <viking.warrior@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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What happens if you press Ctrl-H before switching
to the bigger one? Or use some other view which
would limit what might have to be presented?


?


Unless you have a group of messages with that date
chances are that it is just misdated. Use the Xref: header
to find the Message number to know exactly what slot
that message occupies on your server. Unfortunately the best
that WLMail like OE can do in terms of ordering messages
by Message number is to turn off threading and sort by date.
The problem is that the date is what a poster provided,
so if it originated from a computer with an incorrect date
that's where you get it. So, if you check the Xref headers
of the next few messages you may find that their numbers
are quite different from your "oldest" one (assuming it is
an anomalously old date.)

OTOH it looks as if your server probably has much longer
retention than msnews so your WLMail probably does
have a corresponding lot more messages to keep track of...


Did you check to see if WLMail is getting told when
messages have been purged? If it's not, all that those
messages would represent is either when you started
reading that newsgroup or the last time that the server
did cause WLMail to purge some messages. ; )


HTH

Robert
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RA {
What happens if you press Ctrl-H before switching to the bigger one?
}

Ctrl+H not in my lexicon of short cuts - what's it do, did not seem to do
anything

RA {
Or use some other view which would limit what might have to be presented?
}

I have a one line per message list, no preview pane.

TUT{
I wonder why they didn't put the black & white lists in here ..
RA {
?
}
}
that was an aside relating to another thread - need x-thread posting:-)
}
}

RA {
So, if you check the Xref headers of the next few messages you may find that
their numbers are quite different from your "oldest" one (assuming it is an
anomalous old date.)
}

The oldest post this NG is what appears to be a complete thread (OP +
replies and replies to replies - all on topic), OP Xref is
number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop:3

Your post this thread Xref
number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com
microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop:25382

GigaNews->m.p.w.l.m.d News group contains 24141 messages, so about 1200 (5%)
absent msgs

My guess is that this NG never been purged at GN.

Looking at the m.p.wxp.basics group its not so clear, purging has happened
but the rules are not obvious.

Apart finding out what CTRL+H does, I am not sure that I can learn a lot
more on this, I know better what's happening and what changes I could make
and their likely impact. Don't think I can do much hardware wise, the mail
store disk is striped & mirrored, I've got 4G of RAM, I guess I could put
the mail store on chunky SSD.

Thanks to all who had their say, watch coming off
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TUT
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"Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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Shame on you Robert - there is no such thing an "old unnecessary header"
they are of immense value providing they are searchable, I find answers to
questions I had not even thought of asking;-)

Who was it who said "he who ignores history is doomed to repeat it",
Fukiyama said - history is dead - well we know how wrong he was.

I think giganews keeps text groups forever and binary groups for 200 days
(they just increased the latter)

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TUT

If you're going through hell, keep going! -- Winston Churchill
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"Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Urbane Tiger" <viking.warrior@xxxxxx> wrote in message
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There certainly is. If you have headers in your cache
which have expired on the server you will just be wasting
your time trying to use them, not to mention all the time spent
using an excessively large index in just normal processing
by the newsreader.

Also, people may not want to dedicate so much of their hard drives
to saving really old messages even if they could be cached.

And, particularly when the same messages are expected to be
archived by Google Groups, you can get quicker more useful
searches done with it than even with WS 4.0, although that
admittedly is far more useful than the Ctrl-Shift-F find
(since that old tool is limited to doing exact string searching
in both the Subject and Message fields, for example).


Robert
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Hi Robert
gDay Robert,

I can't Google on Aussie trains, can you Google on your trains. I can't use
my GSM phone on Aussie trains beyond city/town limits. Our GSM telco's
service road corridors, not rail corridors - elitist metro-parochialism
strikes yet another blow for plutocracy.

Re orphan headers in cache, with Giganews that's not going to happen, text
newsgroups are forever. What are Google's retention policies.

I just added 1TB to my raid array so disk space on my desktop is not an
issue.

Google searching faster than WS 4.0, well that would not be hard, WS 4.0
doesn't work, not here anyway. I had the devils own job getting rid of it,
the uninstaller went missing, but its gone now - no search is better than
wrong search.

I wonder Google Desktop Search integrates with Google Groups Search - I
should find out.
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TUT

"Understanding means seeing that the same thing said different ways is the
same thing." - Ludwig Wittgenstein

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