Vista - Windows Live mail does not allow me to login to HTTP mail service that worked in Outlook Express..

06-20-2008

Hello,
I just installed Windows Live Mail on my system, and I successfully ran the
outlook express conversion. I have 2 accounts that access an HTTP email
server (not hotmail), that work with outlook express, but with Live Mail it
prompts me for my password over and over and eventually I just have to hit
cancel.

Is there some setting that I can adjust to get this to work, or is it a lost
cause?

Thanks
Lance

06-20-2008

Which servers are they? Lycos is the only server I know about that
may fall into that category. OE uses WebDAV, WLM uses DeltaSync
for HTTP access.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP

"Lance Wynn" <Lance_Wynn@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:E5F5E7AF-16B6-47B8-AE05-89BA9E39DD34@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Hello,
> I just installed Windows Live Mail on my system, and I successfully ran the
> outlook express conversion. I have 2 accounts that access an HTTP email
> server (not hotmail), that work with outlook express, but with Live Mail it
> prompts me for my password over and over and eventually I just have to hit
> cancel.
>
> Is there some setting that I can adjust to get this to work, or is it a lost
> cause?
>
> Thanks
> Lance

06-20-2008

It's a corporate mail server, not a public one.

The mail server is running mailenable (www.mailenable.com) I use the http to
connect from behind a firewall that doesn't allow pop3, or smtp. With
outlook express, this worked fine, and it still does. however with the live
mail, it continually prompts for the password. I don't necessarily care to
use live mail, but I also have a hotmail account that I need to access, and
I hear that the http support is going the way of the dodo for hotmail soon.

Lance

"Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:OnZtFqv0IHA.5564@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Which servers are they? Lycos is the only server I know about that
> may fall into that category. OE uses WebDAV, WLM uses DeltaSync
> for HTTP access.
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP
>

Stapler · 06-20-2008

Lance -
Microsoft has withdrawn their plan to end Outlook Express access to Hotmail, which was scheduled to go into effect June 30th. (Following is their email notification to that effect, dated 16-Jun-08)

Quote:

Dear Microsoft Outlook Express customer,

You may have received an e-mail from us letting you know that Microsoft is planning to retire the DAV protocol that Outlook Express uses to access Windows Live Hotmail. In response to customer feedback requesting more time to evaluate alternative solutions, we have decided to postpone retiring DAV and we are investigating other alternatives for accessing Windows Live Hotmail via Outlook Express.

This means that if you use Outlook Express to access your Windows Live Hotmail account, you will continue to be able to do so beyond the previously announced June 30 transition deadline. We will be sure to update you once we have additional plans to share and early enough in advance to help ensure a smooth transition in the future.

Additionally, Outlook Express customers that use Windows Vista or Windows XP are always welcome to download and use our next generation free email client, Windows Live Mail, providing the familiarity of Outlook Express and much more. You can download the new client at http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview.

We appreciate your feedback, and encourage you to continue to provide it.
Sincerely,
Windows Live Mail Team

Rgds,
stapler

Quote: Originally Posted by Lance Wynn

..........and I hear that the http support is going the way of the dodo for hotmail soon.

Lance

06-20-2008

Thanks for that, but I wonder how long it will last..
I didn't see in the email that it is going to be supported indefinitely. Is
Mail Live still in beta? If so, is this a bug that can be addressed?

Lance

06-20-2008

Reading the notes at www.mailenable.com, they specifically mention
Outlook Express and Outlook 2002. It sounds like they hacked the
Microsoft WebDAV protocol.

WLM does NOT support WebDAV, it supports DeltaSynch. Although OE and
WLM both have HTTP protocols for Hotmail, they are different protocols.
So unless www.mailenable.com updates their software to support
DeltaSynch, you won't be able to WLM with their HTTP support.

Currently, Hotmail supports both WebDAV and DeltaSynch. At some point
they will drop support for WebDAV. That had been announced for June
30th, but Microsoft has back peddled and delayed that indefinitely. But
I expect the issue will rear up again.

Hotmail changes for DAV
http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5745.entry
http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5359.entry

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm

"Lance Wynn" <Lance_Wynn@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:Oi7Zh2v0IHA.3680@xxxxxx

Quote:

> It's a corporate mail server, not a public one.
>
> The mail server is running mailenable (www.mailenable.com) I use the
> http to connect from behind a firewall that doesn't allow pop3, or
> smtp. With outlook express, this worked fine, and it still does.
> however with the live mail, it continually prompts for the password.
> I don't necessarily care to use live mail, but I also have a hotmail
> account that I need to access, and I hear that the http support is
> going the way of the dodo for hotmail soon.
>
> Lance
>
>
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:OnZtFqv0IHA.5564@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Which servers are they? Lycos is the only server I know about that
>> may fall into that category. OE uses WebDAV, WLM uses DeltaSync
>> for HTTP access.
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP
>>

>
>

Stapler · 06-20-2008

Lance - I believe Windows Live Mail (WLM) is still in Beta, at least as far as Vista is concerned.

From my short experience with WLM running on Vista, there are a number of technical problems, not to mention many human interface frustrations. On a scale of 1-10, I would personally rate WLM a 2. (One "excellent" feature I see in WLM is, it immediately sends all of Microsoft's own promotional adv emails to my "Junk Mail" folder.

)

I suspect MS decision to continue allowing OE access to Hotmail is more related to a loss of advertising revenue from OE users, who are switching in mass from Hotmail to other email providers such as Gmail or Yahoo (the latter using OE with YPOPs! for POP3 access.)

I suspect they'll keep OE going until Vista's replacement is released late next year. Microsoft apparently doesn't have enought personnel to fix all their software problems, such as those encountered recently with SP3 for XP, which is causing a lot of problems following it's installation.

Rgds
stapler

Quote: Originally Posted by Lance Wynn

Thanks for that, but I wonder how long it will last..
I didn't see in the email that it is going to be supported indefinitely. Is
Mail Live still in beta? If so, is this a bug that can be addressed?

Lance

06-21-2008

Well..kind of..specific to WLM not necessarily the op's issue..

A new Hotmail account created in WLM will setup the DeltaSync server.
An imported account may import with the WebDAV servers and function without issue(I've two that I left using WebDAV in
WLM...functional today for the RTM version and the last 2 betas).
A manually created account can be setup to use the WebDAV server.

e.g.
And Msn.com account can use this server in WLM with full functionality and synchronization
http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata

A Hotmail.com account can use
http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp
or in some cases this server.
http://oe.hotmail.com/secure/hmdata
For the latter and also applicable to WLM, see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/252840

The DeltaSync protocol, the preferred server does seem to be faster in accomplishing send and receipt but use is not necessarily
absolute.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:u9S6Owx0IHA.5728@xxxxxx

Quote:

>
> WLM does NOT support WebDAV, it supports DeltaSynch. Although OE and WLM both have HTTP protocols for Hotmail, they are
> different protocols.

06-21-2008

Windows Live Mail has been in production since November 2007.

What you have encountered isn't a bug and not likely to ever be "fixed"
in WLM.

See my other reply to your previous post.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm

"Lance Wynn" <Lance_Wynn@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:ON6ndmx0IHA.4084@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Thanks for that, but I wonder how long it will last..
> I didn't see in the email that it is going to be supported
> indefinitely. Is Mail Live still in beta? If so, is this a bug that
> can be addressed?
>
> Lance
>
>

06-23-2008

"Lance Wynn" wrote:

Quote:

> Hello,
> I just installed Windows Live Mail on my system, and I successfully ran the
> outlook express conversion. I have 2 accounts that access an HTTP email
> server (not hotmail), that work with outlook express, but with Live Mail it
> prompts me for my password over and over and eventually I just have to hit
> cancel.
>
> Is there some setting that I can adjust to get this to work, or is it a lost
> cause?
>
> Thanks
> Lance
> comunication
> EU MAICON CAMILO DUTRA RECONHECO A CARTA.
> MY MAICON C. DUTRA
> BY MAICON C. DUTRA

Quote:

> OBRIGADO

06-20-2008	#1 (permalink)
Lance Wynn n/a posts	Windows Live mail does not allow me to login to HTTP mail service that worked in Outlook Express.. Hello, I just installed Windows Live Mail on my system, and I successfully ran the outlook express conversion. I have 2 accounts that access an HTTP email server (not hotmail), that work with outlook express, but with Live Mail it prompts me for my password over and over and eventually I just have to hit cancel. Is there some setting that I can adjust to get this to work, or is it a lost cause? Thanks Lance
My System Specs

06-20-2008	#2 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen n/a posts	Re: Windows Live mail does not allow me to login to HTTP mail service that worked in Outlook Express.. Which servers are they? Lycos is the only server I know about that may fall into that category. OE uses WebDAV, WLM uses DeltaSync for HTTP access. -- Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP "Lance Wynn" <Lance_Wynn@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:E5F5E7AF-16B6-47B8-AE05-89BA9E39DD34@xxxxxx Quote: > Hello, > I just installed Windows Live Mail on my system, and I successfully ran the > outlook express conversion. I have 2 accounts that access an HTTP email > server (not hotmail), that work with outlook express, but with Live Mail it > prompts me for my password over and over and eventually I just have to hit > cancel. > > Is there some setting that I can adjust to get this to work, or is it a lost > cause? > > Thanks > Lance
My System Specs

06-20-2008	#3 (permalink)
Lance Wynn n/a posts	Re: Windows Live mail does not allow me to login to HTTP mail service that worked in Outlook Express.. It's a corporate mail server, not a public one. The mail server is running mailenable (www.mailenable.com) I use the http to connect from behind a firewall that doesn't allow pop3, or smtp. With outlook express, this worked fine, and it still does. however with the live mail, it continually prompts for the password. I don't necessarily care to use live mail, but I also have a hotmail account that I need to access, and I hear that the http support is going the way of the dodo for hotmail soon. Lance "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:OnZtFqv0IHA.5564@xxxxxx Quote: > Which servers are they? Lycos is the only server I know about that > may fall into that category. OE uses WebDAV, WLM uses DeltaSync > for HTTP access. > -- > Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP >
My System Specs

06-20-2008	#4 (permalink)
Stapler Vista Home Premium 32bit 2 posts	Re: Windows Live mail does not allow me to login to HTTP mail service that worked in Lance - Microsoft has withdrawn their plan to end Outlook Express access to Hotmail, which was scheduled to go into effect June 30th. (Following is their email notification to that effect, dated 16-Jun-08) Quote: Dear Microsoft Outlook Express customer, You may have received an e-mail from us letting you know that Microsoft is planning to retire the DAV protocol that Outlook Express uses to access Windows Live Hotmail. In response to customer feedback requesting more time to evaluate alternative solutions, we have decided to postpone retiring DAV and we are investigating other alternatives for accessing Windows Live Hotmail via Outlook Express. This means that if you use Outlook Express to access your Windows Live Hotmail account, you will continue to be able to do so beyond the previously announced June 30 transition deadline. We will be sure to update you once we have additional plans to share and early enough in advance to help ensure a smooth transition in the future. Additionally, Outlook Express customers that use Windows Vista or Windows XP are always welcome to download and use our next generation free email client, Windows Live Mail, providing the familiarity of Outlook Express and much more. You can download the new client at http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview. We appreciate your feedback, and encourage you to continue to provide it. Sincerely, Windows Live Mail Team Rgds, stapler Quote: Originally Posted by Lance Wynn ..........and I hear that the http support is going the way of the dodo for hotmail soon. Lance
My System Specs

06-20-2008	#5 (permalink)
Lance Wynn n/a posts	Re: Windows Live mail does not allow me to login to HTTP mail service that worked in Outlook Express.. Thanks for that, but I wonder how long it will last.. I didn't see in the email that it is going to be supported indefinitely. Is Mail Live still in beta? If so, is this a bug that can be addressed? Lance
My System Specs

06-20-2008	#6 (permalink)
Michael Santovec n/a posts	Re: Windows Live mail does not allow me to login to HTTP mail service that worked in Outlook Express.. Reading the notes at www.mailenable.com, they specifically mention Outlook Express and Outlook 2002. It sounds like they hacked the Microsoft WebDAV protocol. WLM does NOT support WebDAV, it supports DeltaSynch. Although OE and WLM both have HTTP protocols for Hotmail, they are different protocols. So unless www.mailenable.com updates their software to support DeltaSynch, you won't be able to WLM with their HTTP support. Currently, Hotmail supports both WebDAV and DeltaSynch. At some point they will drop support for WebDAV. That had been announced for June 30th, but Microsoft has back peddled and delayed that indefinitely. But I expect the issue will rear up again. Hotmail changes for DAV http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5745.entry http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/...708!5359.entry -- Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm "Lance Wynn" <Lance_Wynn@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:Oi7Zh2v0IHA.3680@xxxxxx Quote: > It's a corporate mail server, not a public one. > > The mail server is running mailenable (www.mailenable.com) I use the > http to connect from behind a firewall that doesn't allow pop3, or > smtp. With outlook express, this worked fine, and it still does. > however with the live mail, it continually prompts for the password. > I don't necessarily care to use live mail, but I also have a hotmail > account that I need to access, and I hear that the http support is > going the way of the dodo for hotmail soon. > > Lance > > > > "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:OnZtFqv0IHA.5564@xxxxxx Quote: >> Which servers are they? Lycos is the only server I know about that >> may fall into that category. OE uses WebDAV, WLM uses DeltaSync >> for HTTP access. >> -- >> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP >> > >
My System Specs

06-20-2008	#7 (permalink)
Stapler Vista Home Premium 32bit 2 posts	Re: Windows Live mail does not allow me to login to HTTP mail service that worked in Lance - I believe Windows Live Mail (WLM) is still in Beta, at least as far as Vista is concerned. From my short experience with WLM running on Vista, there are a number of technical problems, not to mention many human interface frustrations. On a scale of 1-10, I would personally rate WLM a 2. (One "excellent" feature I see in WLM is, it immediately sends all of Microsoft's own promotional adv emails to my "Junk Mail" folder. ) I suspect MS decision to continue allowing OE access to Hotmail is more related to a loss of advertising revenue from OE users, who are switching in mass from Hotmail to other email providers such as Gmail or Yahoo (the latter using OE with YPOPs! for POP3 access.) I suspect they'll keep OE going until Vista's replacement is released late next year. Microsoft apparently doesn't have enought personnel to fix all their software problems, such as those encountered recently with SP3 for XP, which is causing a lot of problems following it's installation. Rgds stapler Quote: Originally Posted by Lance Wynn Thanks for that, but I wonder how long it will last.. I didn't see in the email that it is going to be supported indefinitely. Is Mail Live still in beta? If so, is this a bug that can be addressed? Lance
My System Specs

06-21-2008	#8 (permalink)
...winston n/a posts	Re: Windows Live mail does not allow me to login to HTTP mail service that worked in Outlook Express.. Well..kind of..specific to WLM not necessarily the op's issue.. A new Hotmail account created in WLM will setup the DeltaSync server. An imported account may import with the WebDAV servers and function without issue(I've two that I left using WebDAV in WLM...functional today for the RTM version and the last 2 betas). A manually created account can be setup to use the WebDAV server. e.g. And Msn.com account can use this server in WLM with full functionality and synchronization http://oe.msn.msnmail.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/hmdata A Hotmail.com account can use http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp or in some cases this server. http://oe.hotmail.com/secure/hmdata For the latter and also applicable to WLM, see http://support.microsoft.com/kb/252840 The DeltaSync protocol, the preferred server does seem to be faster in accomplishing send and receipt but use is not necessarily absolute. -- ...winston ms-mvp mail "Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:u9S6Owx0IHA.5728@xxxxxx Quote: > > WLM does NOT support WebDAV, it supports DeltaSynch. Although OE and WLM both have HTTP protocols for Hotmail, they are > different protocols.
My System Specs

06-21-2008	#9 (permalink)
Michael Santovec n/a posts	Re: Windows Live mail does not allow me to login to HTTP mail service that worked in Outlook Express.. Windows Live Mail has been in production since November 2007. What you have encountered isn't a bug and not likely to ever be "fixed" in WLM. See my other reply to your previous post. -- Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm "Lance Wynn" <Lance_Wynn@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:ON6ndmx0IHA.4084@xxxxxx Quote: > Thanks for that, but I wonder how long it will last.. > I didn't see in the email that it is going to be supported > indefinitely. Is Mail Live still in beta? If so, is this a bug that > can be addressed? > > Lance > >
My System Specs

06-23-2008	#10 (permalink)
cmunication n/a posts	RE: Windows Live mail does not allow me to login to HTTP mail service "Lance Wynn" wrote: Quote: > Hello, > I just installed Windows Live Mail on my system, and I successfully ran the > outlook express conversion. I have 2 accounts that access an HTTP email > server (not hotmail), that work with outlook express, but with Live Mail it > prompts me for my password over and over and eventually I just have to hit > cancel. > > Is there some setting that I can adjust to get this to work, or is it a lost > cause? > > Thanks > Lance > comunication > EU MAICON CAMILO DUTRA RECONHECO A CARTA. > MY MAICON C. DUTRA > BY MAICON C. DUTRA Quote: > OBRIGADO
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