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Why Windows Live Mail??

  1. #1


    James Ivey Guest

    Why Windows Live Mail??

    Long-time Outlook Express user.

    Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail or
    Windows Mail??

    James



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  3. #2


    Michael Santovec Guest

    Re: Why Windows Live Mail??

    Microsoft wants you do use Windows Live Mail (WLM).

    Like Outlook Express, Microsoft has dropped development of the Vista
    Window Mail (WM) other than security fixes and possibly some minor
    updates.

    WLM is the only free mail client that Microsoft is moving forward with.

    As for some other differences, WLM supports HTTP and WM does not.

    On the other hand, if you are big into stationery, WM has better support
    than WLM.

    --

    Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



    "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    news:OiUnt7KAJHA.1180@xxxxxx

    > Long-time Outlook Express user.
    >
    > Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail
    > or Windows Mail??
    >
    > James
    >

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  4. #3


    R. C. White Guest

    Re: Why Windows Live Mail??

    Hi, James.

    There are those who prefer Windows Mail - which is installed whether you
    want it or not. It's a built-in part of Vista, just as Outlook Express is
    built into WinXP. OE won't run on Vista; WM won't run on WinXP.

    But many of us, including myself, prefer Windows Live Mail, which is a free
    download from http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview

    Installing WLM appears to uninstall WM, but not really. It just deletes the
    WM icon and shortcut. You can still navigate to C:\Program Files\Windows
    Mail\WinMail.exe and run it; you also can recreate the icon and shortcut if
    you choose.

    WLM will run side-by-side with either OE or WM. Many of us chose to run
    both for a few weeks to see which we like best, being sure to leave both set
    to "Leave messages on the server" (the default) for at least a few days to
    be sure that both databases get updated.

    As with any new app, there will be a learning curve, but you can read all
    about that on these two newsgroups where you've cross-posted.

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX
    rc@xxxxxx
    Microsoft Windows MVP
    (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)


    "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    news:OiUnt7KAJHA.1180@xxxxxx

    > Long-time Outlook Express user.
    >
    > Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail or
    > Windows Mail??
    >
    > James

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  5. #4


    James Ivey Guest

    Re: Why Windows Live Mail??

    Thanks Michael. Appreciate your reply.

    What do you mean by "supports HTTP"? What does that do for me?

    Not big into stationery, but I do use it on occasion and have created a few
    for those occasions. Does WLM support stationery at all?

    James


    "Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    news:eZVQ5LLAJHA.3964@xxxxxx

    > Microsoft wants you do use Windows Live Mail (WLM).
    >
    > Like Outlook Express, Microsoft has dropped development of the Vista
    > Window Mail (WM) other than security fixes and possibly some minor
    > updates.
    >
    > WLM is the only free mail client that Microsoft is moving forward with.
    >
    > As for some other differences, WLM supports HTTP and WM does not.
    >
    > On the other hand, if you are big into stationery, WM has better support
    > than WLM.
    >
    > --
    >
    > Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
    >
    >
    >
    > "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    > news:OiUnt7KAJHA.1180@xxxxxx

    >> Long-time Outlook Express user.
    >>
    >> Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail or
    >> Windows Mail??
    >>
    >> James
    >>
    >


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  6. #5


    James Ivey Guest

    Re: Why Windows Live Mail??

    Thanks R. C. Appreciate your reply.

    Is WLM web-based? Or does it actually store the email on your harddrive?

    Can you tell me if either one supports newsgroups, like OE?

    James


    "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    news:%23tbzaSLAJHA.2056@xxxxxx

    > Hi, James.
    >
    > There are those who prefer Windows Mail - which is installed whether you
    > want it or not. It's a built-in part of Vista, just as Outlook Express is
    > built into WinXP. OE won't run on Vista; WM won't run on WinXP.
    >
    > But many of us, including myself, prefer Windows Live Mail, which is a
    > free download from http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
    >
    > Installing WLM appears to uninstall WM, but not really. It just deletes
    > the WM icon and shortcut. You can still navigate to C:\Program
    > Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe and run it; you also can recreate the icon
    > and shortcut if you choose.
    >
    > WLM will run side-by-side with either OE or WM. Many of us chose to run
    > both for a few weeks to see which we like best, being sure to leave both
    > set to "Leave messages on the server" (the default) for at least a few
    > days to be sure that both databases get updated.
    >
    > As with any new app, there will be a learning curve, but you can read all
    > about that on these two newsgroups where you've cross-posted.
    >
    > RC
    > --
    > R. C. White, CPA
    > San Marcos, TX
    > rc@xxxxxx
    > Microsoft Windows MVP
    > (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
    >
    >
    > "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    > news:OiUnt7KAJHA.1180@xxxxxx

    >> Long-time Outlook Express user.
    >>
    >> Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail or
    >> Windows Mail??
    >>
    >> James
    >


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  7. #6


    mac Guest

    Re: Why Windows Live Mail??


    "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    news:ubk4ThMAJHA.4064@xxxxxx

    > Thanks R. C. Appreciate your reply.
    >
    > Is WLM web-based? Or does it actually store the email on your harddrive?
    >
    > Can you tell me if either one supports newsgroups, like OE?
    >
    They both support newsgroups.

    Too many 'bells & whistles' in WLM for me.


    --
    Regards Steve.
    MS-MVP. MAIL. [DTS] UK.
    http://www.getsafeonline.org/



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  8. #7


    Gary VanderMolen Guest

    Re: Why Windows Live Mail??

    HTTP is a generic description for the email protocol used by webmail
    services such as Hotmail and its siblings (MSN and Live.com email).
    WLM (but not WM) allows you to set up Hotmail accounts in it.

    --
    Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


    "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uCH0VeMAJHA.1184@xxxxxx

    > Thanks Michael. Appreciate your reply.
    >
    > What do you mean by "supports HTTP"? What does that do for me?
    >
    > Not big into stationery, but I do use it on occasion and have created a few
    > for those occasions. Does WLM support stationery at all?
    >
    > James
    >
    >
    > "Michael Santovec" <michael_santovec@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    > news:eZVQ5LLAJHA.3964@xxxxxx

    >> Microsoft wants you do use Windows Live Mail (WLM).
    >>
    >> Like Outlook Express, Microsoft has dropped development of the Vista
    >> Window Mail (WM) other than security fixes and possibly some minor
    >> updates.
    >>
    >> WLM is the only free mail client that Microsoft is moving forward with.
    >>
    >> As for some other differences, WLM supports HTTP and WM does not.
    >>
    >> On the other hand, if you are big into stationery, WM has better support
    >> than WLM.
    >>
    >> --
    >>
    >> Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    >> news:OiUnt7KAJHA.1180@xxxxxx

    >>> Long-time Outlook Express user.
    >>>
    >>> Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail or
    >>> Windows Mail??
    >>>
    >>> James
    >>>
    >>
    >
    >

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  9. #8


    Gary VanderMolen Guest

    Re: Why Windows Live Mail??

    No, WLM is not web-based. It is a stand-alone desktop email
    client like Windows Mail. Yes, it supports newsgroups, just
    like OE and WM.

    --
    Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


    "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:ubk4ThMAJHA.4064@xxxxxx

    > Thanks R. C. Appreciate your reply.
    >
    > Is WLM web-based? Or does it actually store the email on your harddrive?
    >
    > Can you tell me if either one supports newsgroups, like OE?
    >
    > James
    >
    >
    > "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    > news:%23tbzaSLAJHA.2056@xxxxxx

    >> Hi, James.
    >>
    >> There are those who prefer Windows Mail - which is installed whether you
    >> want it or not. It's a built-in part of Vista, just as Outlook Express is
    >> built into WinXP. OE won't run on Vista; WM won't run on WinXP.
    >>
    >> But many of us, including myself, prefer Windows Live Mail, which is a
    >> free download from http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
    >>
    >> Installing WLM appears to uninstall WM, but not really. It just deletes
    >> the WM icon and shortcut. You can still navigate to C:\Program
    >> Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe and run it; you also can recreate the icon
    >> and shortcut if you choose.
    >>
    >> WLM will run side-by-side with either OE or WM. Many of us chose to run
    >> both for a few weeks to see which we like best, being sure to leave both
    >> set to "Leave messages on the server" (the default) for at least a few
    >> days to be sure that both databases get updated.
    >>
    >> As with any new app, there will be a learning curve, but you can read all
    >> about that on these two newsgroups where you've cross-posted.
    >>
    >> RC
    >> --
    >> R. C. White, CPA
    >> San Marcos, TX
    >> rc@xxxxxx
    >> Microsoft Windows MVP
    >> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
    >>
    >>
    >> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    >> news:OiUnt7KAJHA.1180@xxxxxx

    >>> Long-time Outlook Express user.
    >>>
    >>> Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail or
    >>> Windows Mail??
    >>>
    >>> James
    >>
    >
    >

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  10. #9


    R. C. White Guest

    Re: Why Windows Live Mail??

    Hi, James.

    While there are some differences (I did mention a learning curve, right?),
    overall, my daily use of WLM is very much like my use of several versions of
    OE over the past decade. The Tools | Options screens will look very
    familiar; the View menu still offers to Group by conversation; you can still
    create Message Rules, and so forth. The Storage Folder structure does take
    some getting used to, and so do Quick views. Newsgroup support is not
    exactly like OE, but it will look very familiar.

    A major difference from OE to WLM is in the storage of the messages on our
    hard drive. OE created a few "folders" with names like Family.dbx and
    stored many messages in each .dbx file. WLM stores each message as an
    individual file: an .eml file for each email and a .nws file for each
    newsgroup message. With OE, a thousand 1 KB messages from your Mom might
    add up to a single 1 MB Mom.dbx file. WLM will create 1,000 .eml files;
    because NTFS knows some storage tricks for small files, they might take much
    less than 1 MB. But the important point is that a single bad byte in a .dbx
    file might cost you the whole 1,000 messages; a bad byte in an .eml file
    would cost you only that one message. (As Paul Harvey says, "Don't ask me
    for details. I've already told you more than I know." But other experts
    here can explain it to both of us if necessary.)

    I've never used an HTTP (Hypertext Transfer Protocol) or IMAP mail account,
    so I can't tell you anything about those. I've had several POP3 accounts
    over the years and now monitor 3 daily.

    Try both WM and WLM for a week or two and see which YOU like better.

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX
    rc@xxxxxx
    Microsoft Windows MVP
    (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

    "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    news:ubk4ThMAJHA.4064@xxxxxx

    > Thanks R. C. Appreciate your reply.
    >
    > Is WLM web-based? Or does it actually store the email on your harddrive?
    >
    > Can you tell me if either one supports newsgroups, like OE?
    >
    > James
    >
    >
    > "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    > news:%23tbzaSLAJHA.2056@xxxxxx

    >> Hi, James.
    >>
    >> There are those who prefer Windows Mail - which is installed whether you
    >> want it or not. It's a built-in part of Vista, just as Outlook Express
    >> is built into WinXP. OE won't run on Vista; WM won't run on WinXP.
    >>
    >> But many of us, including myself, prefer Windows Live Mail, which is a
    >> free download from http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
    >>
    >> Installing WLM appears to uninstall WM, but not really. It just deletes
    >> the WM icon and shortcut. You can still navigate to C:\Program
    >> Files\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe and run it; you also can recreate the icon
    >> and shortcut if you choose.
    >>
    >> WLM will run side-by-side with either OE or WM. Many of us chose to run
    >> both for a few weeks to see which we like best, being sure to leave both
    >> set to "Leave messages on the server" (the default) for at least a few
    >> days to be sure that both databases get updated.
    >>
    >> As with any new app, there will be a learning curve, but you can read all
    >> about that on these two newsgroups where you've cross-posted.
    >>
    >> RC
    >>
    >>
    >> "James Ivey" <nope@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    >> news:OiUnt7KAJHA.1180@xxxxxx

    >>> Long-time Outlook Express user.
    >>>
    >>> Got a new Vista laptop on the way. Do I want to use Windows Live Mail
    >>> or Windows Mail??
    >>>
    >>> James

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  11. #10


    D. Spencer Hines Guest

    Re: Why Windows Live Mail??

    Good Post...

    Very Candid.

    Thanks.

    DSH

    "R. C. White" <rc@xxxxxx> wrote in message
    news:Ow$RLdNAJHA.3404@xxxxxx

    > Hi, James.
    >
    > While there are some differences (I did mention a learning curve, right?),
    > overall, my daily use of WLM is very much like my use of several versions
    > of OE over the past decade. The Tools | Options screens will look very
    > familiar; the View menu still offers to Group by conversation; you can
    > still create Message Rules, and so forth. The Storage Folder structure
    > does take some getting used to, and so do Quick views. Newsgroup support
    > is not exactly like OE, but it will look very familiar.
    >
    > A major difference from OE to WLM is in the storage of the messages on our
    > hard drive. OE created a few "folders" with names like Family.dbx and
    > stored many messages in each .dbx file. WLM stores each message as an
    > individual file: an .eml file for each email and a .nws file for each
    > newsgroup message. With OE, a thousand 1 KB messages from your Mom might
    > add up to a single 1 MB Mom.dbx file. WLM will create 1,000 .eml files;
    > because NTFS knows some storage tricks for small files, they might take
    > much less than 1 MB. But the important point is that a single bad byte in
    > a .dbx file might cost you the whole 1,000 messages; a bad byte in an .eml
    > file would cost you only that one message. (As Paul Harvey says, "Don't
    > ask me for details. I've already told you more than I know." But other
    > experts here can explain it to both of us if necessary.)
    >
    > I've never used an HTTP (Hypertext Transfer Protocol) or IMAP mail
    > account, so I can't tell you anything about those. I've had several POP3
    > accounts over the years and now monitor 3 daily.
    >
    > Try both WM and WLM for a week or two and see which YOU like better.
    >
    > RC
    > --
    > R. C. White, CPA
    > San Marcos, TX
    > rc@xxxxxx
    > Microsoft Windows MVP
    > (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)


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