Vista - Re: Folder Pane Changes Do Not Stick

09-01-2008

This issue is off-topic for the Windows Mail newsgroup.
I am cross-posting to the WLM newsgroup where someone
will respond:
microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

"Rich" <rgsrx@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:3x0vk.20373$_s1.5551@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Greetings,
> I recently installed Windows Live Mail & am trying to it in transition from
> OE. I use filters in OE & Windows Live Mail transferred them to "Storage
> Folder" which appear at the end of folders visible in the folder pane on the
> left. Quick view & the four separate e-mail accounts appear first & are
> meaningless to me as 90% of my e-mail is filtered to these folders. When I
> discovered I could move "Storage Folders" up until they appear first this
> solved my problem....until I opened Live Mail the next time or switched back
> from Newsgroups to find "Storage Folders" back at the bottom of the
> hierarchy. Am I missing something? What is the point of rearranging the
> folders in the viewing pane for each new session of e-mail viewing?
> My related question regards Quick view. Why is the ability to uncheck the
> option to view all unread mail grayed out? Quick view would be the only way
> I can view any mail that is not handled by my message filters through the
> option to view all inboxes. I would like to transition away from OE because
> it is no longer being updated & I like the fact that Live Mail stores
> messages as separate *.eml files & not one large unreadable *.dbx file.
> Ideally I would like the view pane on the left to display one global inbox
> for my four different e-mail accounts & then my user-created filter folders
> regardless of the source e-mail server (like OE). I really don't care which
> mail server/account the e-mail came in through, although I would not mind
> having them listed at the very bottom of the folders listed in the view
> pane.
> I searched the internet for a Live Mail site that dealt with tips & tweaks
> that address my issues but could not find one. So if my issues are too
> specific to be addressed in this forum, a direction to a link on the
> internet on customizing Live Mail would be appreciated.
> I am really trying to fight through my initial knee-jerk reaction to Live
> Mail: a bit kludgey & not easily customizable interface with possible
> program glitches (grayed out customizing option? Why?). I truly want to
> adjust & make it work.
> Sorry for my life story.
> Thanks,
> Rich
>

09-02-2008

Rich, you're quite right - the fact that Storage folders can't be
re-located from the foot of the Folder pane is an irritation that's
always been there, but might be corrected in the next version.
I operate in much the same way as you, except that I use folders
created under the topmost POP account to store messages in (see
screenshot). There's no functional difference and it's much more
convenient. The remaining accounts live in collapsed form below
those user-created folders and are largely ignored. Every so often,
I go through them and move Sent items to the appropriate folder.

The current version does not allow for much in the way of
customization, but again this may change with the next one. As
regards the program glitches and other peculiarities, winston's site
at
http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/
covers many of them. And you'll usually get sensible responses to
queries in this group.
--
Noel

"Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uKBojCKDJHA.4436@xxxxxx

Quote:

> This issue is off-topic for the Windows Mail newsgroup. I am
> cross-posting to the WLM newsgroup where someone will respond:
> microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

Quote:

> "Rich" <rgsrx@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:3x0vk.20373$_s1.5551@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Greetings,
>> I recently installed Windows Live Mail & am trying to it in
>> transition from OE. I use filters in OE & Windows Live Mail
>> transferred them to "Storage Folder" which appear at the end of
>> folders visible in the folder pane on the left. Quick view & the
>> four separate e-mail accounts appear first & are meaningless to
>> me as 90% of my e-mail is filtered to these folders. When I
>> discovered I could move "Storage Folders" up until they appear
>> first this solved my problem....until I opened Live Mail the next
>> time or switched back from Newsgroups to find "Storage Folders"
>> back at the bottom of the hierarchy. Am I missing something? What
>> is the point of arranging the folders in the viewing pane for
>> each new session of e-mail viewing? My related question regards
>> Quick view. Why is the ability to uncheck the option to view all
>> unread mail grayed out? Quick view would be the only way I can
>> view any mail that is not handled by my message filters through
>> the option to view all inboxes. I would like to transition away
>> from OE because it is no longer being updated & I like the fact
>> that Live Mail stores messages as separate *.eml files & not one
>> large unreadable *.dbx file.
>> Ideally I would like the view pane on the left to display one
>> global inbox for my four different e-mail accounts & then my
>> user-created filter folders regardless of the source e-mail
>> server (like OE). I really don't care which mail server/account
>> the e-mail came in through, although I would not mind having them
>> listed at the very bottom of the folders listed in the view pane.
>> I searched the internet for a Live Mail site that dealt with tips
>> & tweaks that address my issues but could not find one. So if my
>> issues are too specific to be addressed in this forum, a
>> direction to a link on the internet on customizing Live Mail
>> would be appreciated. I am really trying to fight through my
>> initial knee-jerk reaction to Live Mail: a bit kludgey & not
>> easily customizable interface with possible program glitches
>> (grayed out customizing option? Why?). I truly want to adjust &
>> make it work.

09-02-2008

"Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:%23$FF51MDJHA.2480@xxxxxx

Quote:

> Rich, you're quite right - the fact that Storage folders can't be
> re-located from the foot of the Folder pane is an irritation that's
> always been there, but might be corrected in the next version.
> I operate in much the same way as you, except that I use folders
> created under the topmost POP account to store messages in (see
> screenshot). There's no functional difference and it's much more
> convenient. The remaining accounts live in collapsed form below
> those user-created folders and are largely ignored. Every so often,
> I go through them and move Sent items to the appropriate folder.
>
> The current version does not allow for much in the way of
> customization, but again this may change with the next one. As
> regards the program glitches and other peculiarities, winston's site
> at
> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/
> covers many of them. And you'll usually get sensible responses to
> queries in this group.
> --
> Noel

Thanks for replying & the link. In your screenshot the folder labeled
"Archive" is actually one of your e-mail servers with the filter folders
created under that? That's clever, I hadn't thought of that since Live Mail
automatically imported my filter folders as Storage folders. If I manually
recreate the folders under my topmost server will the message rule send it
to that folder (with the same name) even though it is not under Storage
folders? I'll give it a try.
Thanks for the tips.
Rich

09-03-2008

Archive, if I recall the pic and example, was for a separate email account(if the same as you've noted as email server).
Do you wish to use a rule to move messages to subfolders in an email account used as an archive from the Storage Folders or other
location or new delivered messages. For the latter, rules work on Pop3 accounts.

To add to Noel's suggestion. Many isp's provide the ability to create a secondary pop3 account that can be used separately as that
Archive folder(with or without use for email). Additionally, nothing prevents one from creating a dummy email account named
'Archive' with an invalid pop3/smtp server and disabling that account for a send/receipt.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"Rich" <rgsrx@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uQI7X#UDJHA.232@xxxxxx

Quote:

>
> "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:%23$FF51MDJHA.2480@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Rich, you're quite right - the fact that Storage folders can't be
>> re-located from the foot of the Folder pane is an irritation that's
>> always been there, but might be corrected in the next version.
>> I operate in much the same way as you, except that I use folders
>> created under the topmost POP account to store messages in (see
>> screenshot). There's no functional difference and it's much more
>> convenient. The remaining accounts live in collapsed form below
>> those user-created folders and are largely ignored. Every so often,
>> I go through them and move Sent items to the appropriate folder.
>>
>> The current version does not allow for much in the way of
>> customization, but again this may change with the next one. As
>> regards the program glitches and other peculiarities, winston's site
>> at
>> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/
>> covers many of them. And you'll usually get sensible responses to
>> queries in this group.
>> --
>> Noel

>
>
>
> Thanks for replying & the link. In your screenshot the folder labeled "Archive" is actually one of your e-mail servers with the
> filter folders created under that? That's clever, I hadn't thought of that since Live Mail automatically imported my filter
> folders as Storage folders. If I manually recreate the folders under my topmost server will the message rule send it to that
> folder (with the same name) even though it is not under Storage folders? I'll give it a try.
> Thanks for the tips.
> Rich
>

09-03-2008

"Rich" <rgsrx@xxxxxx> wrote in message
news:uQI7X#UDJHA.232@xxxxxx

Quote:

>
> "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:%23$FF51MDJHA.2480@xxxxxx

Quote:

>> Rich, you're quite right - the fact that Storage folders can't be
>> re-located from the foot of the Folder pane is an irritation
>> that's always been there, but might be corrected in the next
>> version. I operate in much the same way as you, except that I use
>> folders created under the topmost POP account to store messages
>> in (see screenshot). There's no functional difference and it's
>> much more convenient. The remaining accounts live in collapsed
>> form below those user-created folders and are largely ignored.
>> Every so often, I go through them and move Sent items to the
>> appropriate folder.
>> The current version does not allow for much in the way of
>> customization, but again this may change with the next one. As
>> regards the program glitches and other peculiarities, winston's
>> site at
>> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/
>> covers many of them. And you'll usually get sensible responses to
>> queries in this group.

Quote:

> Thanks for replying & the link. In your screenshot the folder
> labeled "Archive" is actually one of your e-mail servers with the
> filter folders created under that? That's clever, I hadn't thought
> of that since Live Mail automatically imported my filter folders
> as Storage folders. If I manually recreate the folders under my
> topmost server will the message rule send it to that folder (with
> the same name) even though it is not under Storage folders? I'll
> give it a try.
> Thanks for the tips.

Archive is actually a dummy account, with a spurious POP3 server but
my real SMTP server. The e-mail address is the same as my default
account. "Include this account when..." is deselected on the General
tab of its Properties sheet. The folder called 'All' is a general
repository for incoming mail that doesn't get diverted by rules to
one of the other folders - that way all incoming mail ends up in one
or other of those folders, so all junk lands in the junk folder you
can see, and all deleted items are moved to the Archive one.

I think you'll have to change the move-to folder in all your rules
When you've got it all set up and are ready to remove the now-unused
folders under Storage folders, remember that if you delete them,
your Quick views will break. See
http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...90CA!205.entry
for how to deal with this.
--
Noel

09-01-2008	#1 (permalink)
Gary VanderMolen n/a posts	Re: Folder Pane Changes Do Not Stick This issue is off-topic for the Windows Mail newsgroup. I am cross-posting to the WLM newsgroup where someone will respond: microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop -- Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail) "Rich" <rgsrx@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:3x0vk.20373$_s1.5551@xxxxxx Quote: > Greetings, > I recently installed Windows Live Mail & am trying to it in transition from > OE. I use filters in OE & Windows Live Mail transferred them to "Storage > Folder" which appear at the end of folders visible in the folder pane on the > left. Quick view & the four separate e-mail accounts appear first & are > meaningless to me as 90% of my e-mail is filtered to these folders. When I > discovered I could move "Storage Folders" up until they appear first this > solved my problem....until I opened Live Mail the next time or switched back > from Newsgroups to find "Storage Folders" back at the bottom of the > hierarchy. Am I missing something? What is the point of rearranging the > folders in the viewing pane for each new session of e-mail viewing? > My related question regards Quick view. Why is the ability to uncheck the > option to view all unread mail grayed out? Quick view would be the only way > I can view any mail that is not handled by my message filters through the > option to view all inboxes. I would like to transition away from OE because > it is no longer being updated & I like the fact that Live Mail stores > messages as separate .eml files & not one large unreadable .dbx file. > Ideally I would like the view pane on the left to display one global inbox > for my four different e-mail accounts & then my user-created filter folders > regardless of the source e-mail server (like OE). I really don't care which > mail server/account the e-mail came in through, although I would not mind > having them listed at the very bottom of the folders listed in the view > pane. > I searched the internet for a Live Mail site that dealt with tips & tweaks > that address my issues but could not find one. So if my issues are too > specific to be addressed in this forum, a direction to a link on the > internet on customizing Live Mail would be appreciated. > I am really trying to fight through my initial knee-jerk reaction to Live > Mail: a bit kludgey & not easily customizable interface with possible > program glitches (grayed out customizing option? Why?). I truly want to > adjust & make it work. > Sorry for my life story. > Thanks, > Rich >
My System Specs

09-02-2008	#2 (permalink)
Ildhund n/a posts	Re: Folder Pane Changes Do Not Stick Rich, you're quite right - the fact that Storage folders can't be re-located from the foot of the Folder pane is an irritation that's always been there, but might be corrected in the next version. I operate in much the same way as you, except that I use folders created under the topmost POP account to store messages in (see screenshot). There's no functional difference and it's much more convenient. The remaining accounts live in collapsed form below those user-created folders and are largely ignored. Every so often, I go through them and move Sent items to the appropriate folder. The current version does not allow for much in the way of customization, but again this may change with the next one. As regards the program glitches and other peculiarities, winston's site at http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/ covers many of them. And you'll usually get sensible responses to queries in this group. -- Noel "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uKBojCKDJHA.4436@xxxxxx Quote: > This issue is off-topic for the Windows Mail newsgroup. I am > cross-posting to the WLM newsgroup where someone will respond: > microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop Quote: > "Rich" <rgsrx@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:3x0vk.20373$_s1.5551@xxxxxx Quote: >> Greetings, >> I recently installed Windows Live Mail & am trying to it in >> transition from OE. I use filters in OE & Windows Live Mail >> transferred them to "Storage Folder" which appear at the end of >> folders visible in the folder pane on the left. Quick view & the >> four separate e-mail accounts appear first & are meaningless to >> me as 90% of my e-mail is filtered to these folders. When I >> discovered I could move "Storage Folders" up until they appear >> first this solved my problem....until I opened Live Mail the next >> time or switched back from Newsgroups to find "Storage Folders" >> back at the bottom of the hierarchy. Am I missing something? What >> is the point of arranging the folders in the viewing pane for >> each new session of e-mail viewing? My related question regards >> Quick view. Why is the ability to uncheck the option to view all >> unread mail grayed out? Quick view would be the only way I can >> view any mail that is not handled by my message filters through >> the option to view all inboxes. I would like to transition away >> from OE because it is no longer being updated & I like the fact >> that Live Mail stores messages as separate .eml files & not one >> large unreadable .dbx file. >> Ideally I would like the view pane on the left to display one >> global inbox for my four different e-mail accounts & then my >> user-created filter folders regardless of the source e-mail >> server (like OE). I really don't care which mail server/account >> the e-mail came in through, although I would not mind having them >> listed at the very bottom of the folders listed in the view pane. >> I searched the internet for a Live Mail site that dealt with tips >> & tweaks that address my issues but could not find one. So if my >> issues are too specific to be addressed in this forum, a >> direction to a link on the internet on customizing Live Mail >> would be appreciated. I am really trying to fight through my >> initial knee-jerk reaction to Live Mail: a bit kludgey & not >> easily customizable interface with possible program glitches >> (grayed out customizing option? Why?). I truly want to adjust & >> make it work.
My System Specs

09-02-2008	#3 (permalink)
Rich n/a posts	Re: Folder Pane Changes Do Not Stick "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:%23$FF51MDJHA.2480@xxxxxx Quote: > Rich, you're quite right - the fact that Storage folders can't be > re-located from the foot of the Folder pane is an irritation that's > always been there, but might be corrected in the next version. > I operate in much the same way as you, except that I use folders > created under the topmost POP account to store messages in (see > screenshot). There's no functional difference and it's much more > convenient. The remaining accounts live in collapsed form below > those user-created folders and are largely ignored. Every so often, > I go through them and move Sent items to the appropriate folder. > > The current version does not allow for much in the way of > customization, but again this may change with the next one. As > regards the program glitches and other peculiarities, winston's site > at > http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/ > covers many of them. And you'll usually get sensible responses to > queries in this group. > -- > Noel Thanks for replying & the link. In your screenshot the folder labeled "Archive" is actually one of your e-mail servers with the filter folders created under that? That's clever, I hadn't thought of that since Live Mail automatically imported my filter folders as Storage folders. If I manually recreate the folders under my topmost server will the message rule send it to that folder (with the same name) even though it is not under Storage folders? I'll give it a try. Thanks for the tips. Rich
My System Specs

09-03-2008	#4 (permalink)
...winston n/a posts	Re: Folder Pane Changes Do Not Stick Archive, if I recall the pic and example, was for a separate email account(if the same as you've noted as email server). Do you wish to use a rule to move messages to subfolders in an email account used as an archive from the Storage Folders or other location or new delivered messages. For the latter, rules work on Pop3 accounts. To add to Noel's suggestion. Many isp's provide the ability to create a secondary pop3 account that can be used separately as that Archive folder(with or without use for email). Additionally, nothing prevents one from creating a dummy email account named 'Archive' with an invalid pop3/smtp server and disabling that account for a send/receipt. -- ...winston ms-mvp mail "Rich" <rgsrx@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uQI7X#UDJHA.232@xxxxxx Quote: > > "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:%23$FF51MDJHA.2480@xxxxxx Quote: >> Rich, you're quite right - the fact that Storage folders can't be >> re-located from the foot of the Folder pane is an irritation that's >> always been there, but might be corrected in the next version. >> I operate in much the same way as you, except that I use folders >> created under the topmost POP account to store messages in (see >> screenshot). There's no functional difference and it's much more >> convenient. The remaining accounts live in collapsed form below >> those user-created folders and are largely ignored. Every so often, >> I go through them and move Sent items to the appropriate folder. >> >> The current version does not allow for much in the way of >> customization, but again this may change with the next one. As >> regards the program glitches and other peculiarities, winston's site >> at >> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/ >> covers many of them. And you'll usually get sensible responses to >> queries in this group. >> -- >> Noel > > > > Thanks for replying & the link. In your screenshot the folder labeled "Archive" is actually one of your e-mail servers with the > filter folders created under that? That's clever, I hadn't thought of that since Live Mail automatically imported my filter > folders as Storage folders. If I manually recreate the folders under my topmost server will the message rule send it to that > folder (with the same name) even though it is not under Storage folders? I'll give it a try. > Thanks for the tips. > Rich >
My System Specs

09-03-2008	#5 (permalink)
Ildhund n/a posts	Re: Folder Pane Changes Do Not Stick "Rich" <rgsrx@xxxxxx> wrote in message news:uQI7X#UDJHA.232@xxxxxx Quote: > > "Ildhund" <jnllb@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:%23$FF51MDJHA.2480@xxxxxx Quote: >> Rich, you're quite right - the fact that Storage folders can't be >> re-located from the foot of the Folder pane is an irritation >> that's always been there, but might be corrected in the next >> version. I operate in much the same way as you, except that I use >> folders created under the topmost POP account to store messages >> in (see screenshot). There's no functional difference and it's >> much more convenient. The remaining accounts live in collapsed >> form below those user-created folders and are largely ignored. >> Every so often, I go through them and move Sent items to the >> appropriate folder. >> The current version does not allow for much in the way of >> customization, but again this may change with the next one. As >> regards the program glitches and other peculiarities, winston's >> site at >> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/ >> covers many of them. And you'll usually get sensible responses to >> queries in this group. Quote: > Thanks for replying & the link. In your screenshot the folder > labeled "Archive" is actually one of your e-mail servers with the > filter folders created under that? That's clever, I hadn't thought > of that since Live Mail automatically imported my filter folders > as Storage folders. If I manually recreate the folders under my > topmost server will the message rule send it to that folder (with > the same name) even though it is not under Storage folders? I'll > give it a try. > Thanks for the tips. Archive is actually a dummy account, with a spurious POP3 server but my real SMTP server. The e-mail address is the same as my default account. "Include this account when..." is deselected on the General tab of its Properties sheet. The folder called 'All' is a general repository for incoming mail that doesn't get diverted by rules to one of the other folders - that way all incoming mail ends up in one or other of those folders, so all junk lands in the junk folder you can see, and all deleted items are moved to the Archive one. I think you'll have to change the move-to folder in all your rules When you've got it all set up and are ready to remove the now-unused folders under Storage folders, remember that if you delete them, your Quick views will break. See http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...90CA!205.entry for how to deal with this. -- Noel
My System Specs

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